Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Times now

Times now tweeted this, but not very sure if global times made such confirmation or not


Yesterday they were calling Newsline some twitter handle of our own side as Chinese twitter handle and quoting that handle.
 
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I once mentioned that they occupied a few rocky outcrops, so did we. We are giving them back equally.

The Babuas of 16 Bihar and others of Artillery and Armour who were there, did us proud. They charged up the mountain. Without rifles, but a charge of the infantry took place. Outnumbered and dominated yes, but the Babuas did not back down.

I am proud of them. And I am overwhelmed at their courage. That is sheer guts and raw courage. Knowing you won't come down alive. But still charging up.
Yes. This is what I called the brighter side of this tragedy. Their valour unquestionable and courage unparalleled.
 
@Falcon what does your gut say. Is deescalation on the table or still plans rub chinese nose in the ground? The former would be so shameful going forward.

As usual we are on a back foot with perception war. Seems like we learnt zero from all our past experiences put together.
 
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While all of us are discussing the issue from the Indian point of view, We didn't think about the next step of Chinese after they lost "x" no.of soldiers.

Indian Army officially reported 20 casualties on its side due to violent clashes at Galwan valley. Chinese have not declared their number of casualties. As majority members are arguing that our response is to diffuse the situation and show strategic restraint, we are not prepared for war, logistics issues etc. There are rumours that the Chinese also lost more than 40 troops. My point is after losing some "x" number of troops to inferior Indian Army(their opinion) in a physical brawl, Why they will de-escalate?

Like every one of us who wants to avenge our soldier's deaths. If the Chinese want to retaliate for higher casualties they suffered, this conflict will continue even if the Indian Govt wants to de-escalate because the Chinese lost more number of soldiers than us.

Yes, it's a problem for both sides. In fact, the Chinese may actually consider it a major humiliation. They had surprise, they attacked first and still ended up with a greater number of casualties. That's not something one can write home about.

We have to see what the next step will be for both since either side may see the need for an escalation in order to bring closure to this incident. So we can't even rule out a limited war.

Weirdly enough, we seem to be ready with 2 new mountain divisions for the MSC, more or less, one in the east and the other in the north, in order to deal with China. One could assume at least a brigade has already been moved to the LAC, maybe it has been reorganised into an IBG. There's also the reassigned 14 Division with additional punching power. Let's also not forget 6 Division. So we most likely already have the punching power necessary to take the fight inside Tibet from the Ladakh side. In the east, we have 2 divisions as well.

@Falcon Is the 23 Division now part of 17 Corps? Or still weirdly single?
 
@Falcon what does your gut say. Is deescalation on the table or still plans rub chinese nose in the ground? The former would be so shameful going forward.

As usual we are on a back foot with perception war. Seems like we learnt zero from all our past experiences put together.


Neither of the options are viable. Its a difficult position that we are in right now.

War is always a bad option. Albeit necessary one.

But personally, I wouldn't want things to escalate. But we play with the hand that we are dealt with.

I do not agree with the self acclaimed defence experts on TV today (a certain Brig Vinod) who was saying that we are not in a position to fight Chinese as they have outspent us etc etc.


Unfortunately, this mindset is pervasive in our IAS, IFS cadres, who fill the same into political class and then we have our own senior officers who feel the same.

No nation strengthens unless tested. We have allowed ourselves to be on backfoot with respect to China and that is why this day is here. Dokalam issue - there was no question of withdrawal back to Doka La. We should have established permanent presence there.
@randomradio

I do not know. And I wont discuss ORBAT unless open sourced.
@poi

If they were not backing off then how they fell in trench/river ?


Didn't get this.
 
After the fog of war, the Info war has started........... What was the reason for such a disclosure by chinese? - (All if the news of confirmation from chinese are true)

1) They clearly looking for escalation - and need public support
2) They are looking for a deescalation with confirming their causalities, to ease the pressure on GOI
3) When they saw India not taking this lying down, they had to tone down and admit their losses

Chinese are so confusing - It is tough to pin point he intention
 
Global Times confirm 30 Died in Chinese side. Now you can understand how big this was
I don’t trust Global Times. Most probably they are trying to calm down bruised ego of Indians and showing themselves as victims rather than aggressors.
They are running on our wounds since the time incident, and so is the Linjin jhao the CPC spokesperson.
 
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Neither of the options are viable. Its a difficult position that we are in right now.

War is always a bad option. Albeit necessary one.

But personally, I wouldn't want things to escalate. But we play with the hand that we are dealt with.

I do not agree with the self acclaimed defence experts on TV today (a certain Brig Vinod) who was saying that we are not in a position to fight Chinese as they have outspent us etc etc.


Unfortunately, this mindset is pervasive in our IAS, IFS cadres, who fill the same into political class and then we have our own senior officers who feel the same.

No nation strengthens unless tested. We have allowed ourselves to be on backfoot with respect to China and that is why this day is here. Dokalam issue - there was no question of withdrawal back to Doka La. We should have established permanent presence there.
@randomradio

I do not know. And I wont discuss ORBAT unless open sourced.

I think our response will continue to be reactive, our PM made it clear that if we are provoked, we will hit back hard.
Now the question is define provocation - When is it to be called as provocation ?

1) China is responsible for the bloodbath when they got their a** handed to them by IA, then trying to shift blame on India. (Provocation?)
2) China claiming that Galwan always belonged to China, like seriously!! (Provocation?)
3) Massive build up along the LAC, and why, because we were building a road within our border. (Provocation?)

Or may be, some time in future -

4) China again resorts to some thing in line with what happened recently and there is loss of life on our part (and may be on their part). (Provocation?)

So, what I want to understand is the tolerance threshold, beyond which GoI/IA will consider it to be a provocation.
 
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No confirmation of the source. source deleted the link long ago.
Plus Chinese clearly outnumbered us on a narrow ridge where reportedly some of our soldiers grabbed two or three Chinese from their hand and jumped off. That is why Chinese suffered more casualties. Although it also resulted in the veergati of our bravehearts .
 
I don’t trust Global Times. Most probably they are trying to calm down bruised ego of Indians and showing them as victims rather than aggressors.
They are running on our wounds since the time incident, and so is the Linjin jhao the CPC spokesperson.
Our bruised ego will be satiated only when we lick the blood off the heads of the decapitated Hans. They have brought the war to our doors and we must bring it to a logical conclusion. Today it's Laddakh, tomorrow it might very well be my land.
 
Plus Chinese clearly outnumbered us on a narrow ridge where reportedly some of our soldiers grabbed two or three Chinese from their hand and jumped off. That is why Chinese suffered more casualties. Although it also resulted in the veergati of our bravehearts .
this is his source. which clearly mentions not confirmed. its from chinese social media. Which is not more reliable than our WhatsApp university.
 
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It’s because you are not “Silent chootiya” of PeeDF. You don’t feel high on hearing Modi hi screaming Mitroon
This is about self preservation, of our land, people and destiny. We didn't come this far to fall prey to labile emotional swings, this ain't a time to indulge in vicarious pleasures or obsolete rhetoric. What needs to be done, must be done.
 
This is about self preservation, of our land, people and destiny. We didn't come this far to fall prey to labile emotional swings, this ain't a time to indulge in vicarious pleasures or obsolete rhetoric. What needs to be done, must be done.
For that we have to remain in touch with reality, instead of acting as pathetic party propaganda tool, desperate for getting attention at the cost of getting humiliated Over and over on hourly basis
 
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