Oh I have and they go in one ear and out the other which is typical of french plane fanboys who take it personal when it's brought to their attention that their fighter is inferior to the F-35.
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It is inferior to the F-35 and only the french and french plane fanboys argue that it really isn't. Swiss report made it clear the F-35's superiority capabilities in air to air over the rest of the 4th gen fighters. If anything the debate should be which fighter is more capable the french plane or the F-18E. French plane lovers like to consider themselves in the same league as the F-35 and look down on the F-18E when in reality the F-18E is on the same level and it's the F-35 that looks down on all including the french plane.
Революция в технике локации: в России создается радиофотонная РЛС - Российская газета
В россии создается радиофотонная РЛС, и это революция в технике локацииrg.ru
Radars will gain eyes
A group of specialists on the basis of the Research Institute of Long-Range Radar is developing a fundamentally new X-band radar station operating on the basis of radio-photon technologies.
The work is headed by the head of the working group of the Scientific and Technical Council of the Military-Industrial Commission on Radiophotonics Alexei Nikolaevich Shulunov. The first steps have been taken, which can be considered successful. It looks like a new era is opening in classic radar, which now seems like a fantasy.
Probably everyone who graduated from high school knows what radar is. And what a radio-photon location is, is not known to a very large circle of specialists. To put it simply, the new technology makes it possible to combine the incompatible - radio waves and light. In this case, the flow of electrons must be converted into a flow of photons and vice versa. The problem, which yesterday was beyond the bounds of reality, can be solved in the near future. What will it give?
For example, the basis of radar systems for missile defense and tracking of space objects is made up of huge radar complexes. The rooms in which the equipment is located are multi-storey buildings. The use of photonic technologies will make it possible to fit all control and data processing systems in significantly smaller dimensions - literally in a few rooms. At the same time, the technical capabilities of radars to detect even small objects at a distance of thousands of kilometers will only increase. Moreover, due to the use of photonic technologies, not a target mark will appear on the radar screen, but its image, which is unattainable with classical radar. That is, instead of the usual luminous point, the operator will see what is actually flying - an airplane, a rocket, a flock of birds or a meteorite, it is worth repeating, even thousands of kilometers from the radar.
Now all radar systems - military and civilian - operate in a strictly defined frequency range, which complicates technical design and leads to a variety of radar nomenclature. Photonic radars will allow for the highest degree of uniformity. They are able to instantly tune in a very wide range of operating frequencies - from meter values to millimeter ones.
It has long been no secret that the so-called stealth planes are clearly visible in the meter range, but most accurately their coordinates are better given by centimeter and millimeter-wave stations. Therefore, in air defense systems, both meter stations with very large antennas and more compact centimeter ones work at the same time. But a photonic radar, scanning space in a long frequency range, will easily detect the same "invisibility" and, instantly reconfiguring to a broadband signal and a high frequency, will determine its exact coordinates in height and range.
This is only about the location. Revolutionary changes will also take place in electronic warfare, in the transmission of information and its protection, in computing technologies and much more. It is easier to say that it will not affect radio photonics.
In fact, a fundamentally new branch of the high-tech industry will be created. The task is extremely difficult, therefore, many leading research centers of the country, university science, and a number of industrial enterprises are involved in its solution. According to Shulunov, work is going on in close connection with the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Science and Education. The President of Russia recently took control of them.
The 5th generation people who kept warning that defenses would only get more lethal and sophisticated and that older fighters won't cut the mustard are being proven right?
who saw that coming?
I think there are plenty of solid arguments already throughout the thread. The Swiss purchase is right there, its recent. Its direct. Rafale fans are in the F-35 thread constantly like the little Corsican always nipping at F-35's heels in an effort to challenge F-35. When it inevitably goes wrong we get political rantings and conspiracy theories along with warnings of "wokeness" that are even more off topic.
It would be great if Picdelamirand-oil played the F-35 instead of ...anything except F-35. I don't see him as the self appointed expert he thinks he is. when asked for evidence he suffers. He hasn't shown me anything new, anything different. Anyone can link to the millions of F-35 articles written by click bait dolts. I expected more from someone with his pedigree but we get "wacky uncle" level "analysis", but that is perhaps my fault for setting the bar too high. its also very trollish to not ever acknowledge things like Switzerland where the Rafale was soundly beaten. if he had better evidence he would present it. instead he plays the "tired old man" picked on after starting fights he can't finish.
It will win on overhaul too.
it was already proven to be inferior in Switzerland, and likely will be in Finland as well. I have no idea why the Finns would find anything different.
And no i didn't consider that, we just met though and I don't stay up at night wondering what's really on your mind
yeah thats about as true as the 65 million dollar Super Hornets they claimed for Canada.
even 8 billion for 40 is no deal, and Canada tried to buy stock Super Hornets and the cost was far more expensive than F-35. We are once again faced with the "you know its really cheap" until someone tries to buy them, and then the cost massively escalates and the F-35 looks cheaper. Our KPMG put 65 F-35A at 9 billion dollars. Boeing offered us 18 super hornets for over 5 billion.Sure. But we are comparing American costs with other American jets.
I think the SH is more expensive due to customisation costs rather than the jet itself. The IN contest between the Rafale and SH should clear that up in the near future.
Btw, the Kuwait deal.
The USD2.7 billion deal for Kuwait...
Covid-19 impacts Super Hornet timeline for Kuwait
Deliveries of 28 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet combat aircraft to Kuwait have been delayed due to the ongoing Covid-19 health crisis, a company official told Janes on 14...www.janes.com
But...
Boeing was awarded a $1.5 billion contract to build 28 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for the Kuwait Air Force, according to a Wednesday Pentagon contract announcement.
Boeing Awarded $1.5B Contract for 28 Kuwait Super Hornets - USNI News
The government of Kuwait has finalized a $1.5 billion award toBoeing Co. to purchase 28 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets.news.usni.org
On March 30, Boeing was awarded a $1.16 billion contract to research, development and testing for the Kuwait deal.
$1.5B is likely only the initial costs, as per the article from Jane's.
Spares and service is separate.
The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) has approved F/A-18 C/D Super Hornet aircraft services and support to Kuwait for an estimated cost of $420 million.
Separate contract for weapons.
The Government of Kuwait has requested a possible sale of sixty (60) AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM Missiles including containers and other related services. The total overall estimated value is $110 million.
Etc... etc... A bad habit of America to break down the contract into smaller bits to hide actual costs.
But it's the R&D costs that actually pushes the price up. Not such a big problem with the F-35 since the only option available is the stock version.
Otoh, DSCA estimated $10.1B for 40, at $252M per jet. It's obviously gonna cost less than that.
Anyway, the SH doesn't seem expensive if you want the USN's stock version. Both Rafale and SH must have suffered in Swiss hands due to customisation requirements. I mean, if you want to choose the F-35 beforehand, then all you gotta do is ask for some tech the others don't have. That way you can add the R&D cost of customising the jet with that tech, and that jacks up the price for the jets without that tech. So a breakup of the contract like the above is necessary.
so once again we are at the "boy that F-35 sure is expensive even thought every other option costs even more" part of the argument. This is where the gray matter tends to short out and we get some really wild and wacky rebuttals so I'm going to get some popcorn to go with my coke
Gotta see that when it actually begins though. The first overhaul isn't until 2030 or so.
But that's the F3R, and that's normal, as I've said before it was made for the post-2010 world. The F-35 is for the post-2020 world. The F4.2 is the main challenger. For example, GaN + conformal arrays can change the game quite significantly.
That wasn't the point. The Rafale's not going to fight the F-35 in a war, the J-20 and Su-57 are. The one that's aiming to kill an American pilot is not a French pilot. That's the point.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Boeing makes hard sell for Super Hornet as Canada’s future fighter - Skies Mag
Boeing is pulling out all the stops to convince Canada that the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is the right future fighter, over the F-35A and Gripen E.
skiesmag.com
At $170-215M, it looks competitive with the F-35.
But, being Russia's direct neighbour, it makes more sense for Canada to go for the F-35, regardless of cost. Even the USN doesn't think much of the SH anyway.
Hell, it makes sense for any American ally to go straight for the F-35. In the West, the F-35 vs Su-57 is mainly for the US and Finnish to deal with, everbody else with the F-35 are gonna take a back seat. Even against Iraq, only the Americans flew air superiority missions after all, let alone against the Russians or the Chinese.
I saw the link now.
"That wasn't the point. The Rafale's not going to fight the F-35 in a war, the J-20 and Su-57 are. The one that's aiming to kill an American pilot is not a French pilot. That's the point."
Israel and Egypt is a possibility
"That wasn't the point. The Rafale's not going to fight the F-35 in a war, the J-20 and Su-57 are. The one that's aiming to kill an American pilot is not a French pilot. That's the point."
Israel and Egypt is a possibility
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The Israelis against Arabs? No contest.
The U.S. Has Wasted Billions of Dollars on Failed Arab Armies
Military cooperation with Middle East allies can work—if Washington rethinks its premises.
foreignpolicy.com
A third world nation defeating a first world nation has a snowball's chance in hell. And Arab nations are especially bad because they are not suitable for modern warfare, their system of govt, society, hierarchy, education etc doesn't give them the motivation, discipline and integrity for it. The Saudi and Emirati attempts at subjugating Yemen is proof enough.
What is behind Saudi’s military failures?
The recent attacks on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia and devastating retaliatory attacks by Yemeni forces exposed Saudi military vulnerabilities. Assaults should not come as a surprise, as it was just...
www.middleeastmonitor.com
The only third world country around with NATO-level training and investment is India.
A Greece vs Turkey fight was the only possibility, even if there was a very low chance. Someday we might get some information through internal Greek exercises. I'm sure some pilots are gonna talk about their Rafale vs F-35 training.
You said the F-35 would never fight against the rafale. I gave you just one situation. With Egypt and Israel, where it could.The Israelis against Arabs? No contest.
The U.S. Has Wasted Billions of Dollars on Failed Arab Armies
Military cooperation with Middle East allies can work—if Washington rethinks its premises.
A third world nation defeating a first world nation has a snowball's chance in hell. And Arab nations are especially bad because they are not suitable for modern warfare, their system of govt, society, hierarchy, education etc doesn't give them the motivation, discipline and integrity for it. The Saudi and Emirati attempts at subjugating Yemen is proof enough.
What is behind Saudi’s military failures?
The recent attacks on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia and devastating retaliatory attacks by Yemeni forces exposed Saudi military vulnerabilities. Assaults should not come as a surprise, as it was just...
The only third world country around with NATO-level training and investment is India.
A Greece vs Turkey fight was the only possibility, even if there was a very low chance. Someday we might get some information through internal Greek exercises. I'm sure some pilots are gonna talk about their Rafale vs F-35 training.
Hmm. He almost sounds "cist" against Arabs as if they are inferior as fighter pilots because they are Arabs. He forgets Egypt fighter pilots have air to air kills against Israeli fighters (back in the days but still) and have trained in the US for decades and even participated in Blue Flag 21 with Israel.
They are no slouch.
Going by that logic , these same Egyptian pilots should prove themselves quite a match to the Israelis , flying their Rafales against the latter's F-35s , isn't it , perhaps knocking enough out of the skies to prevail over the latter in the event of a war thus negating all that you've argued for up until now ?
How old did you say you were ?
Your buddy made a generalization of all Arabs I stated Egypt fighter pilots are no slouch and shouldn't be generalize with other Arab nations since Egypt actually trains with western nations and had success in the past against Israel in air battles it doesn't mean their 4th gen fighters will have any success against Israeli F-35s not because they are Arabs but because they fly 4th gen fighters. You get it now pumpkin? Just like Indian french planes won't have any success against chicom J-20s not because they are Indian pilots who tend to crash fighters but because they fly inferior 4th gen fighters compared to the chicoms.
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To begin with he isn't my buddy.Pay attention you dope. Your buddy made a generalization of all Arabs I stated Egypt fighter pilots are no slouch and shouldn't be generalize with other Arab nations since Egypt actually trains with western nations and had success in the past against Israel in air battles it doesn't mean their 4th gen fighters will have any success against Israeli F-35s not because they are Arabs but because they fly 4th gen fighters. You get it now pumpkin? Just like Indian french planes won't have any success against chicom J-20s not because they are Indian pilots who tend to crash fighters but because they fly inferior 4th gen fighters compared to the chicoms.
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Egyptian pilots train with USAF as well as other western air forces just like the UAE or KSA air forces. The latter's performances in Yemen ought to be etched in gold just as yours in Afghanistan .
If the Egyptian AF isn't going to be successful against the Israelis coz of their flying 4th Gen aircraft vs the Israelis 5th Gen ones , why bring up inane topics about how good the Egyptian AF is or was or how good their supposed training is on account of them exercising with you or training under you ?
As far as the Chinese J-20's go , if the PLAAF had as much confidence in their platforms & their armed forces as you do in them , we'd already have seen a Sino Indian war by now .
I sincerely hope US will live up to their commitments to Taiwan & Japan .Your nation has a lot of reassuring to provide your allies after you bolted from Afghanistan faster than you can break wind out here . But first things first , they've got to reassure themselves & their own nation that they're good enough to meet forthcoming challenges after losing to a rag tag group of oversized urchins with WW-2 level equipment.
Do remember that barring Gulf War -1&2 , with massive coalitions too , you've yet to win a war of the 30-40 wars you've fought since WW-2.
Damn !! If only the F-35s could've deployed those stucknet kind of viruses perhaps we'd be looking at a different outcome.
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PS : How old did you say you were again ?
In any case it would be particularly surprising if the Egyptian Rafales had anything to fear from subsonic guinea fowl.
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