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More like Über/Ola service with driver of your choosing and at your own maintenance expanses.
Good business model, I must say.
That
106 billion (Aircraft procurment Airforces) + 31 billion (Navy+USMC) 137 billion US $
That's only for LRIP 6 ..... How many planes ? Don't remember
I have found this also 2.2 billion for 103 F-135 for the lrip10 and (55 f-35) ... That's two f-135 for 1 f-35. That's a lot of sparepart ...
www.usaspending.gov
That's right
106 billion (Aircraft procurment Airforces) + 31 billion (Navy+USMC) 137 billion US $
That's only for LRIP 6 ..... How many planes ? Don't remember
I have found this also 2.2 billion for 103 F-135 for the lrip10 and (55 f-35) ... That's two f-135 for 1 f-35. That's a lot of sparepart ...
USAspending.gov
Must be how math works in Canada. 28 = 38.
No, it doesn't. India was offered the SH for $65M.
Rafales are not super hornets, Canada is not India. A
child's guide
to explaining the obvious, and why using proper models matter
It doesn't matter. What was offered to India will be what's gonna be offered to Canada.
The fact is India's Rafale offer is competitive with F-35 contracts even though the euro is more expensive.
So which would you believe $65M offered to Canada, the $78M in actual price, which is most likely the product of customisation, or the Danish assumption of $122M?
Are you seriously suggesting the SH costs $122M versus the F-35A's $82M?
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Is this topic so complex that you're unable to keep up?
The $197M is with $2B in R&D and $1.6B weapons. Remove those and you get $139M.
$14.2B - $2B - $1.6B = 10.6B
Remove $600M for customisation = $10B
10B / 72 = $138.88M
So 72 Rafales for $139M.
You need to divide the numbers there, bud. Don't twist things now. and remember Denmark is just one example.
haha us too!!
That makes things easy for us
take your meds.
That is DOD number for a plain jane US Navy Super Hornet , no customization at all. try to keep up
Are you seriously suggesting Australia is wrong in their flyaway cost assessment?
you trying to think
Who can? you keep changing your argument so much, not even you can keep you up.
I don't think so, Dassault already dropped out years ago here. I guess they didn't want to finish behind the Gripen. Again.
Doesn't make sense. The base price would be from 2006-07, since that's when B2 came into the picture.
For our 24 Super Hornet in 2007, our flyaway cost was $103 million. "Australia 5/2/2007, 24 [planes for] 2474.0. The Program Office has a Foreign Military Sales case with Australia for 24 F/A-18F aircraft. This case was implemented for acquisition and initial support."
Full cost was $6b for 24 or average AU$250
In 2007, AUD was at the same level versus USD as it is today, so the costs are easily transferrable to 2021.
AUD 103M = USD 72M
AUD 6B = USD 4.3B
To top that off, Australia bought 12 SHs and 12 Growlers.
In the Danish contest, they used the Growler's unit price of $122M for the SH instead of $78M. The Growler is obviously more expensive than the SH.
Normally, you'd only need 6 Growlers for 24/7 capability, with 4 constantly available. So 6 Growlers at $122M and 22 SHs at $78M would make $2.4B Add $3B in sustainment, you would get $5.4B, still considerably less than the Danish F-35's $6B. Even if you add 3 more SHs to match F-35's greater avaiability, you'd still come up to $5.8B for 6 Growlers + 25 SHs.
You need to divide the numbers there, bud. Don't twist things now. and remember Denmark is just one example.
haha us too!!
That makes things easy for us
take your meds.
That is DOD number for a plain jane US Navy Super Hornet , no customization at all. try to keep up
Wow, dude, it's clear you haven't understood a single thing I said.
Long story short, if the Canadian assessment ends up being fair, and they do not consider capability, the SH will win, quite easily.
You mean you don't know the Australians use something called the "Australian Dollars"? I assure you, it's not the same as "Canadian Dollars" or "US Dollars"? I bet post 2731 would go right over your head.
Lol. This is your response? You're arguing semantics? Well excuse me for saying Meteor is British since they pay majority of share. Now that that is out of the way how about you respond to the topic?
Meteor came WAYYY before Aim-260 and Meteor was MAJORITY BUILT MISSILE that they wanted on their F-35's.
Does that answer your question, Bub?
I put up the SAR link, I even put up a picture showing BY 2000. Yet you know different
In the SAR link is the information about the 24 Australian Super Hornet price they charged. Heck, I even quoted it for you. Still you know different
We got 24 S hornet, with some wired for conversion. Then we got 12 growler. Then we got 1 growler, because one caught on fire. So 37 altogether
It obviously is too hard for you. Are you trolling India now?
From this site
SO WHERE IS THE SCAM? The reality of the NDA’s (now) controversial 2016 Rafale deal
By Abingdonboy 17-12-2017 As certain political campaigns have heated up in recent weeks a deal signed more than twelve months ago that had been signed to much adoration and applause has suddenly become somewhat of a “hot potato”. Those who were silent then have now sought to cast doubt on not...
www.strategicfront.org
-Unit cost (36 F3+* RafalesX$105m*) $3.8b
Weapons (including SCALP ALCM and METEOR BVRAAM) $1.2b
-Base costs (creating world class base level maintenance operations and state of the art climate controlled hardened air shelters) $2b
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons) $2b
Total: approx. $9b (or €7.9b or Rs59,630 crore as we know the deal was valued at in 2016).
Notes
* an identical unit price to that paid by the French armed forces
** such costs are one off and will not be incurred for any future batches.
It should also be noted that the 2016 was for highly advanced versions of the Rafale (F3+) highly customised to operate in Indian conditions whereas the version being negotiated under the original MMRCA was the F2 version minus any Indian specific upgrades.
With 14 for parts and 24 sold secondhand, out of 102 for the AAE, even the French don't want them. That leaves them with 64 Rafales and they aren't buying new ones. If someone buys those, they can get the F-35.
Croatia and France finalize Rafale acquisition - Press kits
At a ceremony attended by the President of the French Republic Emmanuel Macron and the Prime Minister of the Croatian Republic Andrej Plenković, the French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly and the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier signed today in Zagreb, with the...www.dassault-aviation.com
Croatia and France finalize Rafale acquisition
(Saint-Cloud, France, November 25, 2021) – At a ceremony attended by the President of the French Republic Emmanuel Macron and the Prime Minister of the Croatian Republic Andrej Plenković, the French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly and the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier signed today in Zagreb, with the Croatian Minister of Defense Mario Banozic, two contracts for the acquisition of 12 Rafale fighters and associated logistics support.
The state-to-state contract mainly covers the transfer of 12 Rafale fighters from the French Air Force along with their equipment, as well as a training service for the Croatian Air Force.
The logistics support contract covers all support resources, including additional spare parts for these aircraft, over a three-year period.
The selection of the Rafale, announced on May 28, after an international tender involving European and American aircraft, reflects its technological and operational superiority, as well as the excellent work done by the team “France” to consolidate its position in the European air forces.
“I am delighted, on behalf of Dassault Aviation and its partners, to be entering into a relationship of trust with Croatia, a European country, and to be writing a new page for the Rafale, which I am certain will give the Croatian Air Force complete satisfaction, while actively contributing to the exercise of Croatia’s national sovereignty,” said Eric Trappier after the signing ceremony.
Wrong forum. You do know there's a french plane thread, right?Croatia and France finalize Rafale acquisition - Press kits
At a ceremony attended by the President of the French Republic Emmanuel Macron and the Prime Minister of the Croatian Republic Andrej Plenković, the French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly and the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier signed today in Zagreb, with the...Croatia and France finalize Rafale acquisition
(Saint-Cloud, France, November 25, 2021) – At a ceremony attended by the President of the French Republic Emmanuel Macron and the Prime Minister of the Croatian Republic Andrej Plenković, the French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly and the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier signed today in Zagreb, with the Croatian Minister of Defense Mario Banozic, two contracts for the acquisition of 12 Rafale fighters and associated logistics support.
The state-to-state contract mainly covers the transfer of 12 Rafale fighters from the French Air Force along with their equipment, as well as a training service for the Croatian Air Force.
The logistics support contract covers all support resources, including additional spare parts for these aircraft, over a three-year period.
The selection of the Rafale, announced on May 28, after an international tender involving European and American aircraft, reflects its technological and operational superiority, as well as the excellent work done by the team “France” to consolidate its position in the European air forces.
“I am delighted, on behalf of Dassault Aviation and its partners, to be entering into a relationship of trust with Croatia, a European country, and to be writing a new page for the Rafale, which I am certain will give the Croatian Air Force complete satisfaction, while actively contributing to the exercise of Croatia’s national sovereignty,” said Eric Trappier after the signing ceremony.
I put up the SAR link, I even put up a picture showing BY 2000. Yet you know different
In the SAR link is the information about the 24 Australian Super Hornet price they charged. Heck, I even quoted it for you. Still you know different
We got 24 S hornet, with some wired for conversion. Then we got 12 growler. Then we got 1 growler, because one caught on fire. So 37 altogether
Still doesn't matter. If it's 24 SH, then it came in for $4.3B, or was it $4.6B at the time. Whatever the case, much cheaper than what the DSCA has estimated. Plus the support package is for 10 years.
It obviously is too hard for you. Are you trolling India now?
From this site
2016 NDA Rafale deal breakdown:SO WHERE IS THE SCAM? The reality of the NDA’s (now) controversial 2016 Rafale deal
By Abingdonboy 17-12-2017 As certain political campaigns have heated up in recent weeks a deal signed more than twelve months ago that had been signed to much adoration and applause has suddenly become somewhat of a “hot potato”. Those who were silent then have now sought to cast doubt on not...
-Unit cost (36 F3+* RafalesX$105m*) $3.8b
Weapons (including SCALP ALCM and METEOR BVRAAM) $1.2b
-Base costs (creating world class base level maintenance operations and state of the art climate controlled hardened air shelters) $2b
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons) $2b
Total: approx. $9b (or €7.9b or Rs59,630 crore as we know the deal was valued at in 2016).
Notes
* an identical unit price to that paid by the French armed forces
** such costs are one off and will not be incurred for any future batches.
It should also be noted that the 2016 was for highly advanced versions of the Rafale (F3+) highly customised to operate in Indian conditions whereas the version being negotiated under the original MMRCA was the F2 version minus any Indian specific upgrades.
You seem to have skipped out on all your math classes in school. I bet you don't even realise the prices quoted actually makes the Rafale even cheaper than what I've posted.
The contract is for 36 jets. So why don't you provide the breakdown for 72 then? Let's see if you know basic arithmetic.
When someone uses the word "largely", it means person is trying to show something else to hide something else. That's the saying here. Can't comment on Rafale vs F35 technical stuff though.
Russian are becoming second tier military salesman despite having technical know-how (to a limited degree now). But that's depending on public domain information. Their checkmate project is going to be used to get finds for investment in other projects once India pulled out of PAKFA.Russians are even more pathetic now. They have literally become cheap salesmen and merchandise sellers. This is the state of Russian weapons manufacturing right now
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Rostec has designed a perfume called 'Checkmate', especially for the Dubai Air Show 2021, the largest one to be held since the Covid-19.eurasiantimes.com