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randomradio said:
It's only until 2030.
Enough time to replace it with NGAD.

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Super Hornet’s RAAF service extended until at least 2030

The five-year contract with Boeing Defence Australia, which also covers sister aircraft the Growler, will effectively extend the life of a fleet that had been thought to be retired in 2027.
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Enough time to replace it with NGAD.
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They are being updated to block lll, The current support is out to 2030. there will be another contract. Retirement will be around 2040. If we order next gen 2035.

Australia Starts Looking Beyond The F-35 For Next-Gen Fighter Needs | Aviation Week Network

Next-generation fighters will be available when Australia searches for a replacement for a squadron of Boeing F/A-18E/Fs in the mid-2030s.
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They are being updated to block lll, The current support is out to 2030. there will be another contract. Retirement will be around 2040. If we order next gen 2035.

Australia Starts Looking Beyond The F-35 For Next-Gen Fighter Needs | Aviation Week Network

Next-generation fighters will be available when Australia searches for a replacement for a squadron of Boeing F/A-18E/Fs in the mid-2030s.
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Makes sense. At an expected $500M per unit, I guess more time is required if the RAAF buys a few every year until a full squadron.
 
Picdelamirand-oil said:
44% increase in 5 years seems to me a lot more than inflation.

No the number of plane doesn't change and the number of flying hours doesn't change too, they just decrease the number of hours by years because F-35 is limited by logistic to generate more flying hours.


No, they have summarised this sentence on a graph which is entirely based on the year 2012 dollars.

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Why the flying cost of the "C" variant is so high ? It's "A" model with bigger wings and more strenght undercarriage...
On the contrary the STOVL "B" one seems strangely low, despite VTOL capacity.
 
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Why the flying cost of the "C" variant is so high ? It's "A" model with bigger wings and more strenght undercarriage...
On the contrary the STOVL "B" one seems strangely low, despite VTOL capacity.
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first you have to accept that the GAO numbers are right. That is a big ask from their previous mistakes.
It is only the USMC introducing their F-35C. Compare that to the USN F-35C

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F-35 Tech Upgrade Slips to 2025; 'Truncated' Version in the Fall

Complete Tech Refresh 3-equipped F-35s, previously expected this year, now won’t come until 2025, Lockheed Martin officials said April 23.
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LM accepts the JPO and GAO conditions for redesigning the program. Basically, block 4 is adjourned sine die and must be reworked with JPO specifications. In other words, back to the V cycle. Specification also means removal of over-specification.

Well, there are some specific difficulties: block4 didn't take into account the arrival of a new engine, a new radar and a new cooling system, which will still have to be taken into account.

In my opinion, there won't be a block4 for another ten years or so, especially as the JPO doesn't know how to specify and they're going to have to learn this job all over again.


The article also discusses the specific difficulties of spare parts LM, particularly for the canopy.

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Herciv said:
LM accepts the JPO and GAO conditions for redesigning the program. Basically, block 4 is adjourned sine die and must be reworked with JPO specifications. In other words, back to the V cycle. Specification also means removal of over-specification.

Well, there are some specific difficulties: block4 didn't take into account the arrival of a new engine, a new radar and a new cooling system, which will still have to be taken into account.

In my opinion, there won't be a block4 for another ten years or so, especially as the JPO doesn't know how to specify and they're going to have to learn this job all over again.
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I predicted in 2014 that the F-35 programme would not meet its obligations until 2031. At the time, few people gave credence to my prediction, especially as the JPO and L.M. claimed that the end of development would be in 2018. But then Christopher C. Bogdan came in to run the programme and he changed the way he dealt with schedule overruns, instead of announcing delays he reduced the technical content of the releases. That's how block 4 was invented, whereas version 3F was supposed to be the version that met all the requirements of the F-35 programme sheet, the F standing for Finale.

Not only were a number of requirements carried over to block 4, but also the anomalies were not corrected. However, the IOT&E could not be initialized with category 1 anomalies, and among the more than 800 anomalies there were 108 category 1 anomalies, so they re-examined all the anomalies and only kept 13 as category 1. So apart from these 13 anomalies, all the others have not been corrected. Block 4 has now been postponed until the 2030s.
 
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This article is important.

www.airandspaceforces.com

F-35 Tech Upgrade Slips to 2025; 'Truncated' Version in the Fall

Complete Tech Refresh 3-equipped F-35s, previously expected this year, now won’t come until 2025, Lockheed Martin officials said April 23.
www.airandspaceforces.com www.airandspaceforces.com

LM accepts the JPO and GAO conditions for redesigning the program. Basically, block 4 is adjourned sine die and must be reworked with JPO specifications. In other words, back to the V cycle. Specification also means removal of over-specification.

Well, there are some specific difficulties: block4 didn't take into account the arrival of a new engine, a new radar and a new cooling system, which will still have to be taken into account.

In my opinion, there won't be a block4 for another ten years or so, especially as the JPO doesn't know how to specify and they're going to have to learn this job all over again.


The article also discusses the specific difficulties of spare parts LM, particularly for the canopy.

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End of the program, I guess.
 
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Picdelamirand-oil said:
I predicted in 2014 that the F-35 programme would not meet its obligations until 2031. At the time, few people gave credence to my prediction, especially as the JPO and L.M. claimed that the end of development would be in 2018. But then Christopher C. Bogdan came in to run the programme and he changed the way he dealt with schedule overruns, instead of announcing delays he reduced the technical content of the releases. That's how block 4 was invented, whereas version 3F was supposed to be the version that met all the requirements of the F-35 programme sheet, the F standing for Finale.

Not only were a number of requirements carried over to block 4, but also the anomalies were not corrected. However, the IOT&E could not be initialized with category 1 anomalies, and among the more than 800 anomalies there were 108 category 1 anomalies, so they re-examined all the anomalies and only kept 13 as category 1. So apart from these 13 anomalies, all the others have not been corrected. Block 4 has now been postponed until the 2030s.
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They are approaching AMCA and Tempest timelines at this rate.
 
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Mike "Pako" Benitez already hinted in the Afterburn Podcast that Block-4 is going to be a royal screw-up and won't be very viable and seems that he was right. What a grand Eff up by LM, lol🤣
 
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Fifth-Generation Weapons | Air & Space Forces Magazine

A new generation of precision weapons is needed to enhance modern strike capability and deter potential aggressors.
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Both classified.

AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile (JATM). This radar-guided dogfight missile will be about the same size as the 30-year-old AIM-120 AMRAAM, but with considerably longer range. Built by Lockheed Martin it was first revealed in 2019. Little has been revealed since, but USAF has acknowledged that live tests were conducted in 2020 and 2021. The JATM’s enhanced range is greater than China’s PL-15—in many ways, an AMRAAM clone, restoring the “first shot, first kill” advantage to U.S. aircraft. The Navy and Army are said to be collaborating with USAF on JATM.
Long-Range Engagement Weapon (LREW). Another potential AMRAAM successor or JATM complement. Built by Raytheon, the LREW is reportedly a larger missile that can only be carried externally on fighters, and may be intended to shoot down adversary airborne warning systems, tankers, or bombers at great distances.
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