We will buy it. I don't have any doubt on that. The problem is what exactly will it replace or complement. The mki's still have life left and they are primarily air superiority. For all my peddling of the f15ex it cannot replace the mki simply because it has been derived from the f15E so it is aerodynamically inferior. It can be a good strike bomber and sniper type so it will be a good replacement for our jaguars. The su57 will be mki's replacement but by that time we might also see NGF or the tempest. Also the way the Chinese are playing it out I don't know how long the Russians will play ball. MEA has failed to keep the Russians in control and the Chinese and Pakistanis have been ruining the party and the Chinese market seems way more lucrative for the Russians than India so there's that..
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
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Su-57 can replace the Mig-29. There was a plan to buy 63 FGFA to replace all the Mig-29s, but that's no longer an option. Now the same thing can be repeated with Su-57 instead. 60-80 jets in 2 bases. Although it doesn't have to replace anything, it can simply add to existing capability.
Jaguar will be replaced by AMCA.
MKI's replacement will be AMCA Mk3 or an AMCA successor. We will need something better than the Su-57 by then, since we are talking about the post-2040 period. It's unlikely for us to import anything in numbers by then, at best only stopgaps.
To the Russians, neither China nor India are a major military market anymore. Only O&G.
Russia.will.remain a Major Technological and Military power in the foreseeable future
If it was to rely only on Oil and Gas
It will become irrelevant like Saudi Arabia
US and NATO are still afraid of Russian Missiles
Maybe so, but we won't be importing much from them in the future. We won't be importing much from anyone in the future. There will be some amount of cooperation, but Indian companies will be delivering everything we need. So the only thing we will need from Russia is O&G.
Su 57 replacing mig 28 doesn't make sense. A 2025 timeline is alright when the mk1a and mk2 come online. The mki can shift and the su57 can become the lead in fighters...
Mig-29 was the first aircraft supposed to be replaced by the FGFA though.
Otoh, if we had the money, then the best aircraft to replace the IN's Mig-29K today would be the F-35B for the first two carriers regardless of the performance downgrade. But we are not going that route.
So with just a look you are able to detect if a plane is or isn't stealthy?
Impressive !!!
But full BS my dear.
It is if you know a decent bit about aircrafts. The su57 intakes are off. There must be some reason why the f22 and f35 similar integrated design when it comes to intakes. And it's a big factor for the rcs an aircraft. In that sense rafale has a much better designed Intake.
J 20 intakes limit performance but stealth could be superior the problem is apart from the front rest of the design of the j20 is not streamlined.
There is rarely a single solution for a problem.
Su57 air intakes are YF23 inspired. The YF23 was stealthy (and I've read some news where they said it was stealthier than YF22... true? untrue?)
The F22 and F35 are similar yes and not : DSI for F35, not on F22. And the 2 use the same aerodynamical basis (and are made by the same LM !) so it's normal they share the same overall design.
The f23 was superior in terms of stealth but did not have supermaneuverability . But if you compare the su57 with the f23 even in its prototype form the yf 23 is a kuch refined design.
You can see how much more streamlined and better material usage in the f23 compared to su 57. The intakes still protrude compared to yf 23 which are still not easy to seperate from the main frame. Also the rear rcs will also be superior because of how they are designed in the process losing out on supermaneuverability. Su 57 is a very good design but the intakes have to be designed better and rear stealth has to be given a better treatment. It has the most potential out of all fifth gen designs. If they can refine the design and the engine design intake it will be the best fifth gen plane. But Russian doesn't have enough money and neither India in anywhere close in material stealth and electronics that we can mki the su 57..
None of those factors are a concern actually. The YF-23 predates the Su-57 by 20 years. The only thing I see is the YF-23 is a giant aircraft with a massive frontal cross-section. Appearing to look more refined doesn't necessarily mean more stealthy. With the black paint and faceted angles, the F-117 also looks more refined than the Su-57 but it not as stealthy. Furthermore, the Su-57 is going to be introduced with active cancellation as well.
The Su-57 was designed well after the F-117, B-2, F-22 and YF-23 were revealed to the world, so you can bet the Russians have studied as much of the designs beforehand.
The Su-57 has still not undergone full transformation yet, with all the RCS measures in place. We may see it only in 2022, if not 2024. Like this:
They are if you plan to buy it right now. Su 57 in its present form is a good 4.5 gen aircraft but not a true 5th gen...None of those factors are a concern actually. The YF-23 predates the Su-57 by 20 years. The only thing I see is the YF-23 is a giant aircraft with a massive frontal cross-section. Appearing to look more refined doesn't necessarily mean more stealthy. With the black paint and faceted angles, the F-117 also looks more refined than the Su-57 but it not as stealthy. Furthermore, the Su-57 is going to be introduced with active cancellation as well.
The Su-57 was designed well after the F-117, B-2, F-22 and YF-23 were revealed to the world, so you can bet the Russians have studied as much of the designs beforehand.
The Su-57 has still not undergone full transformation yet, with all the RCS measures in place. We may see it only in 2022, if not 2024. Like this:
The Su-57 in its current form is 5th gen, but very, very immature and will not do much without a lot of testing and exercises. The Su-57 in its upcoming form will be much more advanced than the basic definition of 5th gen, especially with the new engine.
In its current form, it's basically an F-22 with F-35+ technologies, but with a slightly inadequate engine. The engine gives it a much greater amount of supersonic performance than the F-35, but falls short of the F-22. For subsonic performance, it's already excellent. Basically, with the engine at full power and the aircraft's lower weight, the Su-57 will have the same TWR as the F-22, but when it comes to military power, the engine falls short by at least 1.5 tons, which is a lot. For next gen aircraft, military power is much more important than on 4th gen aircraft due to requirements for supercruise. The F-22 and F-35 will not be competitive with the upcoming Su-57.
No.
The sole pilot that flew the YF23 and YF22 (Paul Metz) said that the two were excellents in all fields. YF23 was even faster with or without reheat.
The YF22 choice came from 2 aspects :
USAF had a better feeling of LM to conduct such a program.
There was a plan (and it was tested later) to try to remove the 2 vertical fins of F22 to improve stealth more. It was impossible on the YF23.
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Risk Of Thunderstorms Prevented Dutch F-35s From Escorting U.S. B-52 During Allied Sky Mission
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a peace time fine weather fighter !Risk Of Thunderstorms Prevented Dutch F-35s From Escorting U.S. B-52 During Allied Sky Mission:
Risk Of Thunderstorms Prevented Dutch F-35s From Escorting U.S. B-52 During Allied Sky Mission
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Exclusive: U.S. eyes December agreement on F-35 jets with UAE - sources
The United States and the United Arab Emirates hope to have an initial agreement on the sale of F-35 stealth fighter jets to the Gulf state in place by December, as the Trump administration studies how to structure a deal without running afoul of Israel.
F-35 fighter jets sold to the United Arab Emirates could also be built in a way that ensures the same planes owned by Israel outperform any others sold in the region, defense experts say.
Washington already demands that any F-35 sold to foreign governments cannot match the performance of U.S. jets, said both a congressional staffer and a source familiar with past sales.
The F-35’s technical sophistication is tied to its mission systems and processing power and “it’s the computing power that allows you to sell a higher tech jet to Israel than to the UAE,” said Doug Birkey, executive director of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies in Washington.
“When foreign pilots are in training in the U.S. they type a code into a user interface as they board the jet, the code will pull a different jet for each pilot based on legal permissions,” Birkey said.
Official confirmation that the F-35 bought by export customers (including program partners!) are monkey models. We've known that for a while because there were legal traces of it -- such as different Pentagon contracts for things such as RAM for US models and RAM for foreign models. Also pilots talking about how during an exercise the American F-35 were more difficult to lock on radar than the other F-35 (to put it another way, the export F-35 didn't especially impress "legacy fighters" pilots by their stealth during actual exercises). But here it's said explicitly. Export F-35s suck.
Exclusive: U.S. eyes December agreement on F-35 jets with UAE - sources
The United States and the United Arab Emirates hope to have an initial agreement on the sale of F-35 stealth fighter jets to the Gulf state in place by December, as the Trump administration studies how to structure a deal without running afoul of Israel.www.reuters.com
F-35 fighter jets sold to the United Arab Emirates could also be built in a way that ensures the same planes owned by Israel outperform any others sold in the region, defense experts say.Washington already demands that any F-35 sold to foreign governments cannot match the performance of U.S. jets, said both a congressional staffer and a source familiar with past sales.The F-35’s technical sophistication is tied to its mission systems and processing power and “it’s the computing power that allows you to sell a higher tech jet to Israel than to the UAE,” said Doug Birkey, executive director of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies in Washington.“When foreign pilots are in training in the U.S. they type a code into a user interface as they board the jet, the code will pull a different jet for each pilot based on legal permissions,” Birkey said.Official confirmation that the F-35 bought by export customers (including program partners!) are monkey models. We've known that for a while because there were legal traces of it -- such as different Pentagon contracts for things such as RAM for US models and RAM for foreign models. Also pilots talking about how during an exercise the American F-35 were more difficult to lock on radar than the other F-35 (to put it another way, the export F-35 didn't especially impress "legacy fighters" pilots by their stealth during actual exercises). But here it's said explicitly. Export F-35s suck.
Nothing special about what they do. Been doing it since a long time. They even attempted to not just downgrade electronics but even the engine during Jimmy Carter's administration.