Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

[_Anonymous_]

It's not combat ready says the Indian, but F-35 are being used in combat? Delusional. It's has gotten worse this F-35 derangement syndrome since they lost 3 Rafales in air combat... well 3 claimed but definitely one visually conformed.

What a miserable coincidence !! Just logged in for a lark & what do I see ?! Sweetie's dropped in before heading for the 11 hour shift in Mr Patel's 7/11. Should stand sweetie in good stead when sweetie takes over sweetie's Pappy's biz of the biggest used car dealership in San Diego.

Back on topic. Of course the F-35s are used in combat . The Houthis say so. In fact they're licking their lips in anticipation for the conflict to break out again so that all those news headlines of the F-35 narrowly escaping being downed by the Houthis faster than you go down on your various bfs can be corrected to - " Houthis down the F-35 in a fresh showdown in the Gulf of Aden in a massive embarassment to the US ."

F-35’s close call over Yemen raises questions about how it's used

Houthi rebels targeted an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter during operations in Yemen. The pilot took evasive action and the missile missed.

taskandpurpose.com

 

[Amarante]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922157687783227505

full NYT article
(sorry if this has already been posted here)

 

[Optimist]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922157687783227505

full NYT article
(sorry if this has already been posted here)

Nearly struck,,,,lucky the rafale wasn't there or we know what would have happened

It's not combat ready says the Indian, but F-35 are being used in combat? Delusional. It's has gotten worse this F-35 derangement syndrome since they lost 3 Rafales in air combat... well 3 claimed but definitely one visually conformed.

I burst out laughing at some of the stuff, As I said earlier, there are going to be constant updates, B4 B5 B6 etc, so they can have fun for the life of the programme,

 

[Lolwa]

The problem is that you see it as a temporary phase with the intention of dumping us when you're strong enough, so what's our interest in helping you get stronger in that context? It's like saying to a girl, I'm willing to get engaged but not married.

The issue is India is not in the P5 that makes it a regional power limited to its geography. Dependence on the French and Russians will remain.

 

[randomradio]

It's not combat ready says the Indian, but F-35 are being used in combat? Delusional. It's has gotten worse this F-35 derangement syndrome since they lost 3 Rafales in air combat... well 3 claimed but definitely one visually conformed.

Corrected: It's not combat ready says LM's CEO...

 

[Optimist]

what are you misunderstanding now, or said out of context? got the link?
The F-35 has been flying combat missions since 2018, 7 years ago

5 Times The F-35 5th-Generation Fighter Has Been Used In Combat

Israel, the US Marines, and the US Air Force are known to have used the F-35 in combat (the British could have as well).

simpleflying.com

 

[Innominate]

what are you misunderstanding now, or said out of context? got the link?
The F-35 has been flying combat missions since 2018, 7 years ago

5 Times The F-35 5th-Generation Fighter Has Been Used In Combat

Israel, the US Marines, and the US Air Force are known to have used the F-35 in combat (the British could have as well).

simpleflying.com

He's the type of person that doubles down on fail. Rafale got beat by PAF export J-10 in air combat, solution... more Rafales!

 

[randomradio]

what are you misunderstanding now, or said out of context? got the link?
The F-35 has been flying combat missions since 2018, 7 years ago

5 Times The F-35 5th-Generation Fighter Has Been Used In Combat

Israel, the US Marines, and the US Air Force are known to have used the F-35 in combat (the British could have as well).

simpleflying.com

Ah, yes, Iran, Taliban, ISIS, Houthis... All countries without air forces.

That's 4 of the Seven Dwarfs, Snow White.

Is there no fire-breathing dragon in the story?

 

[randomradio]

He's the type of person that doubles down on fail. Rafale got beat by PAF export J-10 in air combat, solution... more Rafales!

One of my three wishes from a genie is to spend a day in the life of a person who can't think, just to see how you guys live your lives.

 

[Optimist]

Ah, yes, Iran, Taliban, ISIS, Houthis... All countries without air forces

You made me laugh again

military capabilities assessment 2019​

A Mirage F1BQ landing

An Su-24MK of the IRIAF flying over Shahid Dastghaib International Airport

Name	Usage	Location	Aircraft
Ahmadi	Reserve airfield	29°05′57″N 51°02′07″E	none
Araz	Reserve airfield	39°06′40″N 45°20′02″E	none
Bandar Abbas	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	27°13′05″N 56°22′40″E	Composite unit F-4 Phantom II; F-7 Airguard
Bandar e Jask	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	25°39′11″N 57°47′51″E	Maritime patrol flight Lockheed P-3F Orion
Birjand	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	32°53′53″N 59°15′58″E	Unknown composite unit
Bishe Kola	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	36°39′18″N 52°20′58″E	HESA Shahed 278 light utility helicopter flight
Bushehr	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	28°56′41″N 50°50′04″E	Composite unit F-4;Grumman F-14 Tomcat; UAV's
Chahbahar	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	25°26′41″N 60°22′55″E	Composite unit Dassault Mirage F1; F-4
Darrahi	Reserve airfield	29°22′33″N 51°04′03″E	none
Dezful	Combined Mil/Civ	32°25′57″N 48°24′07″E	Composite unit Northrop F-5; F-7 Airguard
Firuzabad	Army aviation base	35°31'43"N 51°30'26"E	Composite helicopter unit Shahed 278
Gorreh	Reserve airfield	29°54′25″N 50°25′43″E	none
Hamadan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	35°12′37″N 48°39′12″E	Composite unit F-4; F-7
Hesa	Aircraft manufacturer	32°55′44″N 51°33′40″E	tech/log/maintenance plant
Isfahan / Badr	Army aviation; tech overhaul base	32°37′16″N 51°41′49″E	Composite helicopter units
Isfahan / international	Combined Mil/Civ	32°45'10"N 51°52'44"E	Composite unt F-14; Mikoyan MiG-29
Isfahan / Sahid Vatanpour	Army aviation; logistics base	32°34′09″N 51°41′12″E	Composite helicopter unit
Kashan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	33°53′43″N 51°34′37″E	Composite fighter flights
Kerman	Airbase	30°15′57″N 56°57′34″E	Composite fighter/attack aircraft
Kermanshah	Airbase	34°20′45″N 47°09′29″E	Composite unit Sukhoi Su-24; Sukhoi Su-25
Kharg Island	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	26°31′33″N 53°58′52″E	Composite unit Antonov An-74; Harbin Y-12 aircraft; Mil Mi-17 helicopters; UAV's
Kish	Airbase	26°31′33″N 53°58′52″E	Composite fighter unit
Manzariyeh	Army aviation base	34°59′02″N 50°48′22″E	Embraer EMB 312 Tucano trainer/light attack
Mashhad	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	36°14′07″N 59°38′38″E	Composite unit F-4; F-5
Masjed Soleyman	Airbase	31°59′58″N 49°16′16″E	Composite unit F-14; F-4
Mehrshahr	Training base	35°46′34″N 50°52′51″E	Training Pilatus PC-6 Porter; Embraer 312
Omidiyeh	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	30°49′51″N 49°32′35″E	Unknown composite units
Shiraz	Combined Mil/Civ airfield; logistics; tech overhaul	29°32′11″N 52°35′18″E	Composite unit Ilyushin Il-76 airlift; P-3F maritime patrol; Su-24 attack; Bell 214 light utility
Soga	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	37°37′40″N 56°10′23″E	Composite airlift unit Lockheed C-130H Hercules; Boeing 707
Tabriz	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	38°07′44″N 46°14′24″E	Composite unit F-5; F-14; Boeing CH-47 Chinook
Tehran / Doshan Tappeh	Training/logistics base	35°42'00"N 51°28'22"E	Training/conversion Chengdu F-7; Northrop F-5B; Mirage F-1BQ
Tehran / Ghale Morghi	Closed	35°38′41″N 51°22′51″E	None
Tehran / Mehrabad	Combined Mil/Civ airfield; logistics; tech overhaul	35°41′19″N 51°18′46″E	Composite unit MiG-29; Su-24; Boeing 707; C-130; Fokker F27 Friendship; CH-47
Urmia	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	37°40′15″N 45°04′19″E	Composite unit helicopter / transporter aircraft
Zahedan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	29°28′29″N 60°54′22″E	Composite unit F-4; F-5; Su-24

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

since they lost 3 Rafales in air combat... well 3 claimed but definitely one visually conformed.

Pakistani General Aurangzeb Ahmed had this to say: the Rafale is a super plane (a powerful one, to be precise), it's the Indian pilots who suck! If even the enemy is enthusiastic, the honour of the Rafale and of France is saved! Thank you, General!

 

[Optimist]

Pakistani General Aurangzeb Ahmed had this to say: the Rafale is a super plane (a powerful one, to be precise), it's the Indian pilots who suck! If even the enemy is enthusiastic, the honour of the Rafale and of France is saved! Thank you, General!

So the pak's can be bribed too, I doubt he's had a classified briefing on the Rafale and why would he miss a chance to say Indian pilots suck,

 

[Lolwa]

You made me laugh again

military capabilities assessment 2019​

A Mirage F1BQ landing

An Su-24MK of the IRIAF flying over Shahid Dastghaib International Airport

Name	Usage	Location	Aircraft
Ahmadi	Reserve airfield	29°05′57″N 51°02′07″E	none
Araz	Reserve airfield	39°06′40″N 45°20′02″E	none
Bandar Abbas	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	27°13′05″N 56°22′40″E	Composite unit F-4 Phantom II; F-7 Airguard
Bandar e Jask	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	25°39′11″N 57°47′51″E	Maritime patrol flight Lockheed P-3F Orion
Birjand	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	32°53′53″N 59°15′58″E	Unknown composite unit
Bishe Kola	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	36°39′18″N 52°20′58″E	HESA Shahed 278 light utility helicopter flight
Bushehr	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	28°56′41″N 50°50′04″E	Composite unit F-4;Grumman F-14 Tomcat; UAV's
Chahbahar	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	25°26′41″N 60°22′55″E	Composite unit Dassault Mirage F1; F-4
Darrahi	Reserve airfield	29°22′33″N 51°04′03″E	none
Dezful	Combined Mil/Civ	32°25′57″N 48°24′07″E	Composite unit Northrop F-5; F-7 Airguard
Firuzabad	Army aviation base	35°31'43"N 51°30'26"E	Composite helicopter unit Shahed 278
Gorreh	Reserve airfield	29°54′25″N 50°25′43″E	none
Hamadan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	35°12′37″N 48°39′12″E	Composite unit F-4; F-7
Hesa	Aircraft manufacturer	32°55′44″N 51°33′40″E	tech/log/maintenance plant
Isfahan / Badr	Army aviation; tech overhaul base	32°37′16″N 51°41′49″E	Composite helicopter units
Isfahan / international	Combined Mil/Civ	32°45'10"N 51°52'44"E	Composite unt F-14; Mikoyan MiG-29
Isfahan / Sahid Vatanpour	Army aviation; logistics base	32°34′09″N 51°41′12″E	Composite helicopter unit
Kashan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	33°53′43″N 51°34′37″E	Composite fighter flights
Kerman	Airbase	30°15′57″N 56°57′34″E	Composite fighter/attack aircraft
Kermanshah	Airbase	34°20′45″N 47°09′29″E	Composite unit Sukhoi Su-24; Sukhoi Su-25
Kharg Island	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	26°31′33″N 53°58′52″E	Composite unit Antonov An-74; Harbin Y-12 aircraft; Mil Mi-17 helicopters; UAV's
Kish	Airbase	26°31′33″N 53°58′52″E	Composite fighter unit
Manzariyeh	Army aviation base	34°59′02″N 50°48′22″E	Embraer EMB 312 Tucano trainer/light attack
Mashhad	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	36°14′07″N 59°38′38″E	Composite unit F-4; F-5
Masjed Soleyman	Airbase	31°59′58″N 49°16′16″E	Composite unit F-14; F-4
Mehrshahr	Training base	35°46′34″N 50°52′51″E	Training Pilatus PC-6 Porter; Embraer 312
Omidiyeh	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	30°49′51″N 49°32′35″E	Unknown composite units
Shiraz	Combined Mil/Civ airfield; logistics; tech overhaul	29°32′11″N 52°35′18″E	Composite unit Ilyushin Il-76 airlift; P-3F maritime patrol; Su-24 attack; Bell 214 light utility
Soga	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	37°37′40″N 56°10′23″E	Composite airlift unit Lockheed C-130H Hercules; Boeing 707
Tabriz	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	38°07′44″N 46°14′24″E	Composite unit F-5; F-14; Boeing CH-47 Chinook
Tehran / Doshan Tappeh	Training/logistics base	35°42'00"N 51°28'22"E	Training/conversion Chengdu F-7; Northrop F-5B; Mirage F-1BQ
Tehran / Ghale Morghi	Closed	35°38′41″N 51°22′51″E	None
Tehran / Mehrabad	Combined Mil/Civ airfield; logistics; tech overhaul	35°41′19″N 51°18′46″E	Composite unit MiG-29; Su-24; Boeing 707; C-130; Fokker F27 Friendship; CH-47
Urmia	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	37°40′15″N 45°04′19″E	Composite unit helicopter / transporter aircraft
Zahedan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	29°28′29″N 60°54′22″E	Composite unit F-4; F-5; Su-24

Let's be real the Iranians are a joke of a military. The only thing going for them is the Air defence which on time to time Hits some turboprop drone or some cold war era jet. Literally nothing impressive. The iranians don't even have AEWCS.

 

[Optimist]

Let's be real the Iranians are a joke of a military. The only thing going for them is the Air defence which on time to time Hits some turboprop drone or some cold war era jet. Literally nothing impressive. The iranians don't even have AEWCS.

One man's joke is another Iranian man's air force, However as your read, the point was that Iran has an air force

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

I doubt he's had a classified briefing on the Rafale

He didn't need to, and the results are extremely positive for the Rafale, given the huge number of PL15s fired against them.

 

[randomradio]

You made me laugh again

military capabilities assessment 2019​

A Mirage F1BQ landing

An Su-24MK of the IRIAF flying over Shahid Dastghaib International Airport

Name	Usage	Location	Aircraft
Ahmadi	Reserve airfield	29°05′57″N 51°02′07″E	none
Araz	Reserve airfield	39°06′40″N 45°20′02″E	none
Bandar Abbas	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	27°13′05″N 56°22′40″E	Composite unit F-4 Phantom II; F-7 Airguard
Bandar e Jask	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	25°39′11″N 57°47′51″E	Maritime patrol flight Lockheed P-3F Orion
Birjand	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	32°53′53″N 59°15′58″E	Unknown composite unit
Bishe Kola	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	36°39′18″N 52°20′58″E	HESA Shahed 278 light utility helicopter flight
Bushehr	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	28°56′41″N 50°50′04″E	Composite unit F-4;Grumman F-14 Tomcat; UAV's
Chahbahar	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	25°26′41″N 60°22′55″E	Composite unit Dassault Mirage F1; F-4
Darrahi	Reserve airfield	29°22′33″N 51°04′03″E	none
Dezful	Combined Mil/Civ	32°25′57″N 48°24′07″E	Composite unit Northrop F-5; F-7 Airguard
Firuzabad	Army aviation base	35°31'43"N 51°30'26"E	Composite helicopter unit Shahed 278
Gorreh	Reserve airfield	29°54′25″N 50°25′43″E	none
Hamadan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	35°12′37″N 48°39′12″E	Composite unit F-4; F-7
Hesa	Aircraft manufacturer	32°55′44″N 51°33′40″E	tech/log/maintenance plant
Isfahan / Badr	Army aviation; tech overhaul base	32°37′16″N 51°41′49″E	Composite helicopter units
Isfahan / international	Combined Mil/Civ	32°45'10"N 51°52'44"E	Composite unt F-14; Mikoyan MiG-29
Isfahan / Sahid Vatanpour	Army aviation; logistics base	32°34′09″N 51°41′12″E	Composite helicopter unit
Kashan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	33°53′43″N 51°34′37″E	Composite fighter flights
Kerman	Airbase	30°15′57″N 56°57′34″E	Composite fighter/attack aircraft
Kermanshah	Airbase	34°20′45″N 47°09′29″E	Composite unit Sukhoi Su-24; Sukhoi Su-25
Kharg Island	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	26°31′33″N 53°58′52″E	Composite unit Antonov An-74; Harbin Y-12 aircraft; Mil Mi-17 helicopters; UAV's
Kish	Airbase	26°31′33″N 53°58′52″E	Composite fighter unit
Manzariyeh	Army aviation base	34°59′02″N 50°48′22″E	Embraer EMB 312 Tucano trainer/light attack
Mashhad	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	36°14′07″N 59°38′38″E	Composite unit F-4; F-5
Masjed Soleyman	Airbase	31°59′58″N 49°16′16″E	Composite unit F-14; F-4
Mehrshahr	Training base	35°46′34″N 50°52′51″E	Training Pilatus PC-6 Porter; Embraer 312
Omidiyeh	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	30°49′51″N 49°32′35″E	Unknown composite units
Shiraz	Combined Mil/Civ airfield; logistics; tech overhaul	29°32′11″N 52°35′18″E	Composite unit Ilyushin Il-76 airlift; P-3F maritime patrol; Su-24 attack; Bell 214 light utility
Soga	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	37°37′40″N 56°10′23″E	Composite airlift unit Lockheed C-130H Hercules; Boeing 707
Tabriz	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	38°07′44″N 46°14′24″E	Composite unit F-5; F-14; Boeing CH-47 Chinook
Tehran / Doshan Tappeh	Training/logistics base	35°42'00"N 51°28'22"E	Training/conversion Chengdu F-7; Northrop F-5B; Mirage F-1BQ
Tehran / Ghale Morghi	Closed	35°38′41″N 51°22′51″E	None
Tehran / Mehrabad	Combined Mil/Civ airfield; logistics; tech overhaul	35°41′19″N 51°18′46″E	Composite unit MiG-29; Su-24; Boeing 707; C-130; Fokker F27 Friendship; CH-47
Urmia	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	37°40′15″N 45°04′19″E	Composite unit helicopter / transporter aircraft
Zahedan	Combined Mil/Civ airfield	29°28′29″N 60°54′22″E	Composite unit F-4; F-5; Su-24

Oh, wow, that's Crippled Dwarf and Retard Dwarf. Anything else?

 

[randomradio]

He didn't need to, and the results are extremely positive for the Rafale, given the huge number of PL15s fired against them.

You are arguing with people who know more than LM's CEO, the JPO, DOT&E, Pentagon, USAF etc. They know more about Op Sindoor than IAF and PAF too.

 

[Lolwa]

One man's joke is another Iranian man's air force, However as your read, the point was that Iran has an air force

Nothing close to what the pakistani have. Do they even possess a GaN radar based aewcs or the pl-15 and amraam? The best they have is the aim54.

 

[Amarante]

,,,,lucky the rafale wasn't there or we know what would have happened

#syllogism

No, we don't know, because the Rafale wasn't there.

On the other hand, if my aunt had balls, we'd call him my uncle, that's certain.

As certain as the stealth F-117, shot down by an SA_3 in Serbia

 

[randomradio]

On the other hand, if my aunt had balls, we'd call him my uncle, that's certain.

Not where Optimist and Innominate come from.