Lok Sabha passes Citizenship Bill amidst Opposition outcry

hellbent said:
And the thakedars of the constitution are biased when Hindus get brutalised day in day out
Women raped - religion Hindu - ignore
Man lynched - religion Hindu - ignore
Mob violence on - religion Hindu - ignore
Attack on faith - religion Hindu - ignore

Propaganda has limits indian constitution was never secular , it was inserted in the 70s
First Indian constitution was written with hindu murals from Ramayan and Mahabharat , so the original constitution writers were dismissive of hindu mainstreaming ?

Don't answer , nobody is interested in BDSM offers
Forget about Hindus , we died , will continue to die at the hands of muzzis and Cristo

You bleatings only makes me wish muzxies and Cristo kill us faster
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Calm down. India's biggest challenge remains law and order.

Secularism word might have been inserted in the constitution at a later stage, The word only strengthens India's millennia-old pluralism and acceptance to cultural and civilizational evolution.

Although used in the way for minority appeasement by certain parties, secularism has no negative connotations.
 
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hellbent said:
First Indian constitution was written with hindu murals from Ramayan and Mahabharat , so the original constitution writers were dismissive of hindu mainstreaming ?
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This is hilarious one. Where were they hiding this? Was it similar to vedic era nuclear bomb?
 
Milspec said:
Dog Whistle? to mix refugees vs Illegal immigrants.

Mr Sibal forgets that this law is exactly to address the refugee crisis.

one point I want to address of this legendery whataboutry leaders.
baccho ko kaise citizenship dooge:
Bacche jo India mein born hue hai, woh naturalized Indians hain.


Let me remind of you a famous line : "We do not want war. If you want war we accept your offer unhesitatingly. We will either have a divided India divided or a destroyed India."

The congress party was browbeaten into submission by direct action day, and it spinelessly agreed to partition. Was HMS butchering around people for the partition of India? The ones who draw parallels between Savarkar and Jinnah are ill-informed.
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but there is no refugees crisis. That is the point. There is only an illegal migration issue. And the clarification on that point is given by advani himself. They’ve taken a bunch of illegal migrants, declared them persecuted refugees without any basis only to create a religious agenda. Hilariously sibal is even more tougher on illegal migration than modi
 
Guynextdoor said:
but there is no refugees crisis. That is the point. There is only an illegal migration issue. And the clarification on that point is given by advani himself. They’ve taken a bunch of illegal migrants, declared them persecuted refugees without any basis only to create a religious agenda. Hilariously sibal is even more tougher on illegal migration than modi
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There is refugees crisis in Pakistan and Bangladesh for minorities.
 
Ashwin said:
When were the numbers the criteria? How many Parsis are in these countries?

What did I miss? numbers?
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Milspec said:
Calm down. India's biggest challenge remains law and order.

Secularism word might have been inserted in the constitution at a later stage, The word only strengthens India's millennia-old pluralism and acceptance to cultural and civilizational evolution.

Although used in the way for minority appeasement, secularism has no negative connotations.
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Calm down over what ?

Tell that to the millions of dead Hindus who paid the price of pluralism

Pluralism was good as long as it was Indic religions who believed in the same

When abrahmic entered it was genocide of the pluralist

I have no problem believe what you want
I believe what i want either way won't make difference

Anyways

When a member slanders family members it says much about their own. Lest i can do is let filth wallow in filth
 
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Guynextdoor said:
but there is no refugees crisis. That is the point. There is only an illegal migration issue. And the clarification on that point is given by advani himself. They’ve taken a bunch of illegal migrants, declared them persecuted refugees without any basis only to create a religious agenda. Hilariously sibal is even more tougher on illegal migration than modi
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So what happens to the minority from Sindh who gets a visa and doesn't want to go back to hell hole where his daughter would be abducted, or his land will be snatched, what does that family do then?

If you feel there is no religious persecution where a professor can given a death sentence for expressing his views then you are living in a different world.

We can get back to Sibal's Dog Whistle if you want.
 
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hellbent said:
Calm down over what ?

Tell that to the millions of dead Hindus who paid the price of pluralism

Pluralism was good as long as it was Indic religions who believed in the same

When abrahmic entered it was genocide of the pluralist

I have no problem believe what you want
I believe what i want either way won't make difference

Anyways

When a member slanders family members it says much about their own. Lest i can do is let filth wallow in filth
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bjp relegious analysis is exactly like economics analysis
 
Ashwin said:
When were the numbers the criteria? How many Parsis are in these countries?

What did I miss? numbers?
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_Anonymous_ said:
Negative. There's no evidence of anyone being sentenced to death or persecuted on the basis of atheism in either of the counties listed in the CAA & if there are they'd be a miniscule minority. The act is designed to take care of them as well except their cases won't be fast tracked as compared to the other non Muslim minorities. The fact of the matter is that the CAA like the rescinding of Article 370 is a work of political genius which stays very much within the boundaries of the Constitution. That's what has the woke crowd so worked up. Besides, everyone from the Communists to the Congress have in the past spoken of the need to amend the CA on order to accommodate the persecuted Hindus from these nations. Besides its incumbent on every GoI to establish a NCR. That none of them have done so till date is telling of the sheer pusillanimous approach of these political parties with respect to the "protecting" the interests of the minorities here or more appropriately their vote bank.
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Here's the full quote my dear malayala manorama, underlined, highlighted with color coding & italicized too in case of color blindness.
 
Milspec said:
So what happens to the minority from Sindh who gets a visa and doesn't want to go back to hell hole where his daughter would be abducted, or his land will be snatched, what does that family do then?

If you feel there is no religious persecution where a professor can given a death sentence for expressing his views then you are living in a different world.

We can get back to Sibal's Dog Whistle if you want.
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then they apply to be refugees who are persecuted. That route has always been open to all including rohingya and it is for the government to declare on a case by case basis what is legitimate. Illegal migrants never sought refugee status and retroactively granting an entire community the persecuted status even if their parents are dead has been done only to introduce discrimination.
 
hellbent said:
Calm down over what ?

Tell that to the millions of dead Hindus who paid the price of pluralism

Pluralism was good as long as it was Indic religions who believed in the same

When abrahmic entered it was genocide of the pluralist

I have no problem believe what you want
I believe what i want either way won't make difference

Anyways

When a member slanders family members it says much about their own. Lest i can do is let filth wallow in filth
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Abrahamic religions and genocide happened significant time ago, as a nation, we shouldn't forget that, but that doesn't mean we should hold the current crop of Abrahamic religion for the actions of few. My post was limited to the modern history of India.
 
Guynextdoor said:
what answer? He said it’s a matter of policy without addressing any key issues. Obviously Bhakt believes that bjp lawyers better like bjp economists
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it will pass constitution test.That is the issue. There is no other issue. Policy is fully in control of the legislative.

And your counter is with the known crook Kapil sibal?

hellbent said:
Calm down over what ?

Tell that to the millions of dead Hindus who paid the price of pluralism

Pluralism was good as long as it was Indic religions who believed in the same

When abrahmic entered it was genocide of the pluralist

I have no problem believe what you want
I believe what i want either way won't make difference

Anyways

When a member slanders family members it says much about their own. Lest i can do is let filth wallow in filth
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And the fearmonger goes on. All the problems india faces is because of pluralism it seams. Make it only hindu and divide it into four and we will sit on top.
 
Guynextdoor said:
then they apply to be refugees who are persecuted. That route has always been open to all including rohingya and it is for the government to declare on a case by case basis what is legitimate. Illegal migrants never sought refugee status and retroactively granting an entire community the persecuted status even if their parents are dead has been done only to introduce discrimination.
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Parents dead:
Has two scenario's, were the offsprings born in India or outside India.
If born in India - Naturalized Indian Citizen
If born outside India:- then needs path to citizenship

Path to citizenship:
Through CAA as a religious discrimination claim if part of the identified classification in the act.
If not in the classification, i.e Muslims, Jews, Zoroastrians, then go through regular asylum process.

CAA is just a mechanism for the fast-tracking path to citizenship.


Where is the discrimination?
 
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Here's the full quote my dear malayala manorama, underlined, highlighted with color coding & italicized too in case of color blindness.
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That does not make sense Amit. Numbers were never criteria and If 'fast track' is the reasoning then there is no need for the act.
 
Ashwin said:
That does not make sense Amit. Numbers were never criteria and If 'fast track' is the reasoning then there is no need for the act.
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You are not getting the context. The immediate context for the NAA is the results of the NRC in Assam.Thr cause of the atheists however pressing is a non issue. It won't pass muster in the SC & is hugely ambivalent & ambiguous in its scope.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
You are not getting the context. The immediate context for the NAA is the results of the NRC in Assam.Thr cause of the atheists however pressing is a non issue. It won't pass muster in the SC & is hugely ambivalent & ambiguous in its scope.
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Yes, i understand that. And I believe it could pass SC scrutiny. But Atheism was good to have. Its up to Government to decide whom to include but there is no defence for it.
 
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