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[Hyperactive ADD]

谢谢你的回答

我不知道中国的军事和战术水平如何，但如果足够好，从中国的角度来看，如果他们能赢，就应该发动战争。

中国必须向世界和军方证明自己与西方国家一样强大，否则其盟友将会瓦解，中国的发展也将停滞不前。

经济增长需要贸易、原材料和市场。

美国和西方国家只会强迫其他国家停止与中国合作，或者给予中国非常不利的待遇。

为了继续保持经济增长，他们需要击败西方，否则中国的人均经济增长率永远无法接近日本。

西方不会允许任何国家以和平方式在经济上超越它们。

我相信就连中共也明白这一点。

现在战争的关键不在于中国是否参战，而在于何时参战。

中国若不经历战争就无法生存（任何一个快速发展的大国，如果开始挑战当前的霸主地位，都无法生存下去）。

如果你身在中国，那就希望中国发动战争并取得胜利，否则你们人民永远无法在经济上发展（甚至连波兰的水平都达不到）。

西方（或任何霸权国家）绝不会允许任何其他国家超越它们。

对于一个大国来说，人口既是机遇也是挑战。

-> 优势在于它对外国侵略具有很强的抵抗力，即使在较低的发展水平下也能成为军事强国。
-> 祸根在于，当前的霸主永远不会让它发展到更高的层次，因为发展意味着这个大国将成为新的霸主。

Ccp will eventually wage a war against west, it may not be in taiwan as its china's backyard but may be in other place

If it won war, it will simply make a bloodless coup in taiwan and get it

-> if i were ccp president, i would never disturb my surrounding, i will take the war near enemy, or any third place like africa or south asia/america

I must point out that while this argument would hold true if the subject were the United Kingdom, the United States, or Russia, China has absolutely zero allies or vassal states—the actual count is zero. You can look at the map of China and analyze it chronologically and geographically through a 360-degree clockwise sweep:
Mongolia: Relations with Mongolia are exceptionally poor. This stems from Chinese state propaganda historically framing Mongolia as an inherent part of its own territory that was severed due to the incompetence of the Nationalist Party (KMT) and Soviet intervention. In reality, Mongolia views China as the entity that broke away from the broader Mongol empire. Had it not been for the Russian Empire blocking their path prior to the October Revolution, Mongolia intended to incorporate China's entire northeast region and Inner Mongolia into its domain, viewing these areas as their ancestral lands.
North Korea: Skipping ahead to North Korea (leaving Russia for last), relations are incredibly cold. Following the 1978 power grab by the Chinese oligarchic elite to align with the United States, China launched a comprehensive propaganda campaign delegitimizing the Soviet bloc. North Korea was framed as a negative symbol of authoritarianism and pre-1978 domestic poverty—essentially used as a textbook warning to justify the legitimacy of China's current high-pressure state-capitalist regime. Furthermore, regarding North Korea's nuclear program, China enforced highly severe sanctions to appease the United States, whereas Russia merely observed sanctions superficially while covertly supplying oil, funding, and technology. Consequently, while North Korea might deploy troops if they were to initiate a war, if China itself were to be attacked, North Korea would absolutely not lift a finger—in fact, they would be thrilled.
South Korea: South Korea is effectively a vassal of the United States, and territorial disputes still persist between Beijing and Seoul.
Japan: This is a long and complex history. When early Chinese revolutionaries sought to overthrow the Manchu Qing Dynasty, they relied heavily on Japanese support and promised to cede the three northeastern provinces to Japan (as those lands had historically belonged to the Manchus and Mongols for two millennia). However, once the revolutionaries succeeded, they reneged on the deal. Ultimately, Japan backed the deposed Manchu Emperor to re-establish governance in Northeast China (Manchukuo), leading to a total rupture during World War II. Following the 1978 power shift, the elite once again leveraged ties with Japan to secure vast amounts of technology and foreign investment, making Japan China's largest source of technical know-how and capital at the time. Yet, as soon as China gained sufficient geopolitical leverage, it cast Japan aside for a second time.
Taiwan: This goes without saying.
Southeast Asia: These nations can generally be grouped together. Following the founding of the PRC, surged national confidence led Beijing to draw sweeping maritime boundaries right up against the coastlines of neighboring nations, claiming them as sovereign territory. Culturally, over the centuries, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia operated similarly to historical merchant minorities—utilizing sharp business practices to form massive ethnic cartels that controlled local economies. This left a highly negative impression of ethnic Chinese among local populations. Compounded by territorial disputes, this socio-economic friction historically culminated in mass anti-Chinese purges and massacres numbering in the hundreds of thousands.
Vietnam: As a fellow socialist state, Vietnam received immense support from China during its inception and its war against the United States. However, that occurred during the Mao era. When the elite assumed power in 1978, they launched an invasion of Vietnam specifically to signal allegiance to the United States and secure entry into the Western-led global supply chain system. The conflict dragged on for years, finally concluding in the 2000s when new leadership officially ceded Bach Long Vi Island to Vietnam as de facto reparations. Nevertheless, bilateral relations were permanently fractured.
Myanmar and Laos: Prior to 1978, these nations served as primary launchpads for China to export communist revolution, ruining local state relations. Crucially, having committed to this geopolitical path, the regime failed to see it through. After 1978, the elite completely withdrew Chinese influence from both nations. For the families who had migrated or stayed to execute the revolution locally, the state invalidated their household registration (Hukou) and barred them from returning to China—principally because these individuals were highly loyal, orthodox ideological communists whose return would threaten the rule of the new capitalist-leaning elite.
印度及其周边邻国：我就不赘述了；您可能比我更了解它们。
苏联/俄罗斯：除了阿富汗和20世纪90年代崛起的中亚国家（这些无需赘述）之外，我们必须关注苏联。苏联对中国的崛起至关重要。无论是之前的国民党政府还是后来的共产党政权，都是苏联从零开始系统性地建立起来的。苏联驱逐了日本人和美国人，并将过去两三千年来从未属于中国的广袤领土划入中国的行政版图。与此同时，苏联还进行了前所未有的系统性制度改革，并移交了156项关键工业项目（涵盖从基础冶金和煤炭开采到核武器、导弹和航空等各个领域的蓝图——在缺乏蓝图的地方，苏联专家还会手把手地指导中国）。然而，接下来发生了什么？斯大林去世后，中国将自己定位为斯大林意识形态遗产的主要继承者，并积极挑战苏联在社会主义阵营中的领导地位。即便如此，斯大林的继任者赫鲁晓夫仍然对中国保持着高度支持。最终，1978年后，中国精英与美国结盟，迫使苏联解体。苏联解体后，由于担心失去国内政治控制权（因为他们仍然保留着“共产党”的名称），精英们利用国家媒体和宣传，将现代俄罗斯塑造成失败国家的典型代表，以此作为反面教材，以维护国内团结。
用一句话概括这段漫长的历史：中国没有一个追随者、一个依附者、一个盟友。

经济增长本质上需要贸易、原材料和畅通的市场。自然资源的确是中国的战略软肋。目前，中国80%的石油依赖进口——这一石油依赖率远高于二战前夕的日本帝国。

美国对伊朗采取的军事行动，对中国军事理论造成了巨大的战略和技术打击。如果美国航母打击群都难以有效投射力量并压制伊朗这样缺乏常规远洋海军的势力，那么中国又有什么切实可行的机制来强行突破马六甲海峡和第一岛链呢？
中国独一无二的战略机遇与台湾无关。摆脱地缘政治包围的唯一可行途径在于征服缅甸，从而获得直通印度洋的通道，同时坚定地依附于俄罗斯——确保莫斯科既不会出现内部崩溃，也不会转向西方。
事实上，无论中国最高领导人属于哪个派系，他们上任后的第一件事都是对莫斯科进行正式访问。他们非常清楚，与俄罗斯的关系直接关系到中国的命运和未来；至于台湾等问题，他们不过是说说而已。

这是因为俄罗斯拥有无限的自然资源；在与西方对抗的过程中，一旦中国的海上通道被切断，俄罗斯就是中国唯一可以依靠的生命线。

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Thanks for your answer

Idk how good chinease militry and tactics is, but if its good enough, from chinease perspective, they should wage a war if they can win

China has to show the world and militry that its as powerful as west else her allies will be taken down and the growth of china will stop

To grow economically, u need trade, u need raw materials, u need markets,

Usa and west simply will force other countries to stop co-operation or give very bad deal to china

To continue growing economically, they need to defeat west, else china's per capita will never ever come close to japan's per capita

West will not allow any country to surpasd them economically in peaceful manner

I believe that even ccp understand this,

For war its now about, whether china wabt or not, its about when,

China can not survive without a war (no large growing country can if they start approaching the current hegemon)

If u are in china, then hopes that china wage war and win it, else u people will never ever be able develope economically(even poland level)

west(or any hegemon) will never allow any other country to surpass them

-> For a large nation, its population is both boon and bane,

-> boon because its very resilient to foreign aggression and can became militry powerful even at lower development level
-> bane because the current hagemon will never ever let it develop to higher level, as development means , this large nation become new hegemon

Ccp will eventually wage a war against west, it may not be in taiwan as its china's backyard but may be in other place

If it won war, it will simply make a bloodless coup in taiwan and get it

-> if i were ccp president, i would never disturb my surrounding, i will take the war near enemy, or any third place like africa or south asia/america

My browser glitched out on the last post, so I’m re-posting this again



I must point out that while this argument would hold true if the subject were the United Kingdom, the United States, or Russia, China has absolutely zero allies or vassal states—the actual count is zero. You can look at the map of China and analyze it chronologically and geographically through a 360-degree clockwise sweep:

Mongolia: Relations with Mongolia are exceptionally poor. This stems from Chinese state propaganda historically framing Mongolia as an inherent part of its own territory that was severed due to the incompetence of the Nationalist Party (KMT) and Soviet intervention. In reality, Mongolia views China as the entity that broke away from the broader Mongol empire. Had it not been for the Russian Empire blocking their path prior to the October Revolution, Mongolia intended to incorporate China's entire northeast region and Inner Mongolia into its domain, viewing these areas as their ancestral lands.

North Korea: Skipping ahead to North Korea (leaving Russia for last), relations are incredibly cold. Following the 1978 power grab by the Chinese oligarchic elite to align with the United States, China launched a comprehensive propaganda campaign delegitimizing the Soviet bloc. North Korea was framed as a negative symbol of authoritarianism and pre-1978 domestic poverty—essentially used as a textbook warning to justify the legitimacy of China's current high-pressure state-capitalist regime. Furthermore, regarding North Korea's nuclear program, China enforced highly severe sanctions to appease the United States, whereas Russia merely observed sanctions superficially while covertly supplying oil, funding, and technology. Consequently, while North Korea might deploy troops if they were to initiate a war, if China itself were to be attacked, North Korea would absolutely not lift a finger—in fact, they would be thrilled.

South Korea: South Korea is effectively a vassal of the United States, and territorial disputes still persist between Beijing and Seoul.

Japan: This is a long and complex history. When early Chinese revolutionaries sought to overthrow the Manchu Qing Dynasty, they relied heavily on Japanese support and promised to cede the three northeastern provinces to Japan (as those lands had historically belonged to the Manchus and Mongols for two millennia). However, once the revolutionaries succeeded, they reneged on the deal. Ultimately, Japan backed the deposed Manchu Emperor to re-establish governance in Northeast China (Manchukuo), leading to a total rupture during World War II. Following the 1978 power shift, the elite once again leveraged ties with Japan to secure vast amounts of technology and foreign investment, making Japan China's largest source of technical know-how and capital at the time. Yet, as soon as China gained sufficient geopolitical leverage, it cast Japan aside for a second time.

Taiwan: This goes without saying.

Southeast Asia: These nations can generally be grouped together. Following the founding of the PRC, surged national confidence led Beijing to draw sweeping maritime boundaries right up against the coastlines of neighboring nations, claiming them as sovereign territory. Culturally, over the centuries, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia operated similarly to historical merchant minorities—utilizing sharp business practices to form massive ethnic cartels that controlled local economies. This left a highly negative impression of ethnic Chinese among local populations. Compounded by territorial disputes, this socio-economic friction historically culminated in mass anti-Chinese purges and massacres numbering in the hundreds of thousands.

Vietnam: As a fellow socialist state, Vietnam received immense support from China during its inception and its war against the United States. However, that occurred during the Mao era. When the elite assumed power in 1978, they launched an invasion of Vietnam specifically to signal allegiance to the United States and secure entry into the Western-led global supply chain system. The conflict dragged on for years, finally concluding in the 2000s when new leadership officially ceded Bach Long Vi Island to Vietnam as de facto reparations. Nevertheless, bilateral relations were permanently fractured.

Myanmar and Laos: Prior to 1978, these nations served as primary launchpads for China to export communist revolution, ruining local state relations. Crucially, having committed to this geopolitical path, the regime failed to see it through. After 1978, the elite completely withdrew Chinese influence from both nations. For the families who had migrated or stayed to execute the revolution locally, the state invalidated their household registration (Hukou) and barred them from returning to China—principally because these individuals were highly loyal, orthodox ideological communists whose return would threaten the rule of the new capitalist-leaning elite.

India and Surrounding Neighbors: I won't elaborate on these; you likely understand them better than I do.

The Soviet Union / Russia: Apart from Afghanistan and the Central Asian states that emerged in the 1990s—which are not worth diving into—we must look at the Soviet Union. The USSR was paramount to China's rise. Whether it was the predecessor Nationalist government or the later communist regime, both were systematically built from the ground up by the Soviets. The Soviet Union drove out the Japanese and the Americans, and transferred vast territories into China’s administrative map that had never historically belonged to China over the preceding two to three millennia. This was accompanied by unprecedented systemic institutional reforms and the transfer of the 156 pivotal industrial projects (covering everything from foundational metallurgy and coal mining to blueprints for nuclear weapons, missiles, and aviation—and where blueprints were lacking, Soviet experts taught them hand-by-hand). Yet, what happened next? Following Stalin's death, China positioned itself as the premier heir to Stalin's ideological legacy and actively challenged the Soviet Union for leadership of the socialist bloc. Even then, Stalin’s successor, Nikita Khrushchev, remained highly supportive of China. Ultimately, after 1978, the Chinese elite allied with the United States to squeeze the Soviet Union to its demise. Following the Soviet collapse, fearing a loss of domestic political control (as they still retained the name 'Communist Party'), the elite used state media and propaganda to frame modern Russia as the ultimate symbol of a failed state, using it as a cautionary tale to enforce domestic unity.

To sum up this extensive history in a single sentence: China does not possess a single follower, dependency.



Economic growth inherently requires trade, raw materials, and accessible markets. Natural resources are indeed China's strategic Achilles' heel. Currently, China relies on imports for 80% of its oil—a dependency ratio significantly higher than that of Imperial Japan on the eve of World War II.



The military reality of American actions against Iran delivers a massive strategic and technological blow to Chinese military theory. If American carrier strike groups struggle to decisively project power through and neutralize a force like Iran—which lacks a conventional blue-water navy—then what viable mechanism does China possess to forcefully break through the Malacca Strait and the First Island Chain?





China’s singular strategic opportunity has nothing to do with Taiwan. The only viable path to reversing their geopolitical encirclement lies in the conquest of Myanmar to secure direct access to the Indian Ocean, coupled with anchoring themselves unyieldingly to Russia—ensuring that Moscow neither collapses internally nor pivots toward the West，



In fact, it is observable that regardless of which faction China’s top leader belongs to, the very first thing they do upon taking office is to pay an official visit to Moscow. They understand perfectly well that the relationship with Russia directly concerns China's fate and future; as for Taiwan and similar issues, they are nothing more than mere lip service



This is because Russia possesses infinite natural resources; in the midst of a confrontation with the West, it is the singular lifeblood that China can rely upon once its maritime access routes are cut off

 

[randomradio]

Recent conflicts, including the Russia-Ukraine war and Iraq, have both proven that air forces and navies alike are slipping into obsolescence. In my view, debating the future development of aircraft doesn't really carry much meaning anymore.

That's been the case since WW2. Army determines victory or defeat, not the air force and navy.

And to keep armies alive, you need air forces and navies.

 

[randomradio]

That's why he's spouting the neutral point of view from a Chinese side. A human doesn't write long winding paragraphs to a simple question. These are Chinese intelligence bots meant to fish for information on the web. All I'm saying is, if you think a Chinese defence enthusiast is writing these long winding paragraphs made out of AI generated text, you are wrong. one guy controls a bot farm. You're not chatting with a defence enthusiast. But you are welcome to entertain yourself with a Chinese intelligence bot.

Let's see.

@Hyperactive ADD

What do you think about the insinuation that you are a bot?

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Let's see.

@Hyperactive ADD

What do you think about the insinuation that you are a bot?

This exact pattern is incredibly common on the Chinese web too—the moment you hit someone's sore spot, their brain immediately short-circuits.

 

[PhotonVish]

Recent conflicts, including the Russia-Ukraine war and Iraq, have both proven that air forces and navies alike are slipping into obsolescence. In my view, debating the future development of aircraft doesn't really carry much meaning anymore.

Just because russia is incompetent does not mean thar airforce is of no use. See the 1991 gulf war

Usa anhilated iraq

And for navel, u use it when u dont share border, russia ukraine share throusands of km of plane land border. Navy is not of much use

But navy is great for power projection

 

[PhotonVish]

Airfields and aviation units currently represent the most vulnerable points across the entire defensive line in modern warfare. The force and cost invested in protecting so-called airbases have already surpassed the battlefield exchange capability that the aviation units themselves can deliver. Future fighter jets can no longer afford to rely on these static airfields; as a result, dorsal air intakes or tail-mounted engines will in all probability experience a renaissance. Frontline aviation should instead be equipped with high-speed helicopters tasked with intercepting various types of drones, including loitering munitions (suicide drones). As things stand, the primary armament for this role should consist of automatic cannons paired with cheap anti-drone UAVs. The most ideal platform for this would be a high-speed variant of the Hind (Mi-24).

Judging by the current conditions of the Russia-Ukraine war and the Iran conflicts, the development philosophy behind 4th- and even 5th-generation fighters is fundamentally flawed. Only heavy, high-capacity, high-altitude, high-speed interceptors like the MiG-31 have managed to play a core, decisive role.

Stealth aircraft are a paradox. The original purpose behind the emergence of stealth aircraft—such as the F-22—was to intercept MiG-29s within the narrow confines of the European theater when facing superior Soviet/Russian surface-to-air missile (SAM) networks. In turn, the core purpose of the MiG-29 was to provide air cover for the Su-25’s ground-attack missions. Yet looking at the battlefield today, the existence of platforms like the A-10 or the Su-25—and even attack helicopters themselves—is entirely unnecessary. Consequently, the MiG-29 itself becomes redundant. The cheap glide bombs deployed by the Su-34 can be released from 150 kilometers away under the umbrella of friendly SAM systems before the aircraft turns back. Combined with cheap Iranian 'mopeds' (Shahed drones), so-called 5th-generation fighters are left completely without a mission, while simultaneously suffering from limited combat radius and highly vulnerable airfields.

High altitude, high speed, the payload projection advantages yielded by high-altitude-high-speed flight, and heavy payload capacity—these are the traits best suited to current wartime conditions. The only platform capable of meeting all of these core performance metrics is the MiG-31, and its actual combat track record to date completely validates this.

Evidently, 5th-generation fighters have taken a wrong turn down a tactical dead end. So-called stealth capability possesses virtually no real value.

Lol, stealth is very imp

Idk why, almost all militries disagree with u

Even china is making tail less fighter like j36/j50 and usa's f47 , so that stealth can be bettered and multi spectrum stealth

Russia too is using flat nozzle to reduce ir signature and increase ir stealth

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Just because russia is incompetent does not mean thar airforce is of no use. See the 1991 gulf war

Usa anhilated iraq

And for navel, u use it when u dont share border, russia ukraine share throusands of km of plane land border. Navy is not of much use

But navy is great for power projection

I don't see it that way. The 1991 Gulf War you mentioned was nothing more than the equivalent of the period between February 24th and April 2022 in the Russia-Ukraine war. In reality, the U.S. military and the coalition forces intended to achieve a swift victory, but they failed; in the context of the Russia-Ukraine war, this is what is called the 'First Phase of the Military Operation.'


Subsequently, the U.S. military retreated to the north to cultivate Kurdish rebels, supplying them with ammunition and equipment for over a decade, effectively annexing half of Iraq's territory during that time.


The so-called Second Iraq War that began in 2003 corresponds to what has been happening between Russia and Ukraine from that point up until today. By 2003, the strength of the puppet regime groomed by the United States had already surpassed the official forces of Saddam Hussein, which had been severely weakened by over a decade of sanctions.


The difference lies in the fact that the Gulf War was launched by a multilateral coalition, whereas the Russia-Ukraine war consists of the Russians + North Koreans fighting against the entirety of the West. The absolute caliber and the sheer intensity of the warfare are worlds apart.


The only real distinction is that the Russians have established an effective governance system, and looking at the current trajectory, it is highly improbable that Ukraine will be able to turn the tables. Conversely, the puppet regimes brought about by the two American interventions in Iraq have vanished without a trace; in the current conflict involving Iran, Iraq stands on Iran's side, with Iraqi militias launching attacks in all directions against U.S. military bases
If the United States hadn't ended up killing Saddam Hussein during the Second Iraq War, then your argument might still hold water. But the fact that they actually did kill him the second time around only proves that during the first war, they wanted to do it but simply lacked the capability to pull it off.

 

[PhotonVish]

My browser glitched out on the last post, so I’m re-posting this again



I must point out that while this argument would hold true if the subject were the United Kingdom, the United States, or Russia, China has absolutely zero allies or vassal states—the actual count is zero. You can look at the map of China and analyze it chronologically and geographically through a 360-degree clockwise sweep:

Mongolia: Relations with Mongolia are exceptionally poor. This stems from Chinese state propaganda historically framing Mongolia as an inherent part of its own territory that was severed due to the incompetence of the Nationalist Party (KMT) and Soviet intervention. In reality, Mongolia views China as the entity that broke away from the broader Mongol empire. Had it not been for the Russian Empire blocking their path prior to the October Revolution, Mongolia intended to incorporate China's entire northeast region and Inner Mongolia into its domain, viewing these areas as their ancestral lands.

North Korea: Skipping ahead to North Korea (leaving Russia for last), relations are incredibly cold. Following the 1978 power grab by the Chinese oligarchic elite to align with the United States, China launched a comprehensive propaganda campaign delegitimizing the Soviet bloc. North Korea was framed as a negative symbol of authoritarianism and pre-1978 domestic poverty—essentially used as a textbook warning to justify the legitimacy of China's current high-pressure state-capitalist regime. Furthermore, regarding North Korea's nuclear program, China enforced highly severe sanctions to appease the United States, whereas Russia merely observed sanctions superficially while covertly supplying oil, funding, and technology. Consequently, while North Korea might deploy troops if they were to initiate a war, if China itself were to be attacked, North Korea would absolutely not lift a finger—in fact, they would be thrilled.

South Korea: South Korea is effectively a vassal of the United States, and territorial disputes still persist between Beijing and Seoul.

Japan: This is a long and complex history. When early Chinese revolutionaries sought to overthrow the Manchu Qing Dynasty, they relied heavily on Japanese support and promised to cede the three northeastern provinces to Japan (as those lands had historically belonged to the Manchus and Mongols for two millennia). However, once the revolutionaries succeeded, they reneged on the deal. Ultimately, Japan backed the deposed Manchu Emperor to re-establish governance in Northeast China (Manchukuo), leading to a total rupture during World War II. Following the 1978 power shift, the elite once again leveraged ties with Japan to secure vast amounts of technology and foreign investment, making Japan China's largest source of technical know-how and capital at the time. Yet, as soon as China gained sufficient geopolitical leverage, it cast Japan aside for a second time.

Taiwan: This goes without saying.

Southeast Asia: These nations can generally be grouped together. Following the founding of the PRC, surged national confidence led Beijing to draw sweeping maritime boundaries right up against the coastlines of neighboring nations, claiming them as sovereign territory. Culturally, over the centuries, the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia operated similarly to historical merchant minorities—utilizing sharp business practices to form massive ethnic cartels that controlled local economies. This left a highly negative impression of ethnic Chinese among local populations. Compounded by territorial disputes, this socio-economic friction historically culminated in mass anti-Chinese purges and massacres numbering in the hundreds of thousands.

Vietnam: As a fellow socialist state, Vietnam received immense support from China during its inception and its war against the United States. However, that occurred during the Mao era. When the elite assumed power in 1978, they launched an invasion of Vietnam specifically to signal allegiance to the United States and secure entry into the Western-led global supply chain system. The conflict dragged on for years, finally concluding in the 2000s when new leadership officially ceded Bach Long Vi Island to Vietnam as de facto reparations. Nevertheless, bilateral relations were permanently fractured.

Myanmar and Laos: Prior to 1978, these nations served as primary launchpads for China to export communist revolution, ruining local state relations. Crucially, having committed to this geopolitical path, the regime failed to see it through. After 1978, the elite completely withdrew Chinese influence from both nations. For the families who had migrated or stayed to execute the revolution locally, the state invalidated their household registration (Hukou) and barred them from returning to China—principally because these individuals were highly loyal, orthodox ideological communists whose return would threaten the rule of the new capitalist-leaning elite.

India and Surrounding Neighbors: I won't elaborate on these; you likely understand them better than I do.

The Soviet Union / Russia: Apart from Afghanistan and the Central Asian states that emerged in the 1990s—which are not worth diving into—we must look at the Soviet Union. The USSR was paramount to China's rise. Whether it was the predecessor Nationalist government or the later communist regime, both were systematically built from the ground up by the Soviets. The Soviet Union drove out the Japanese and the Americans, and transferred vast territories into China’s administrative map that had never historically belonged to China over the preceding two to three millennia. This was accompanied by unprecedented systemic institutional reforms and the transfer of the 156 pivotal industrial projects (covering everything from foundational metallurgy and coal mining to blueprints for nuclear weapons, missiles, and aviation—and where blueprints were lacking, Soviet experts taught them hand-by-hand). Yet, what happened next? Following Stalin's death, China positioned itself as the premier heir to Stalin's ideological legacy and actively challenged the Soviet Union for leadership of the socialist bloc. Even then, Stalin’s successor, Nikita Khrushchev, remained highly supportive of China. Ultimately, after 1978, the Chinese elite allied with the United States to squeeze the Soviet Union to its demise. Following the Soviet collapse, fearing a loss of domestic political control (as they still retained the name 'Communist Party'), the elite used state media and propaganda to frame modern Russia as the ultimate symbol of a failed state, using it as a cautionary tale to enforce domestic unity.

To sum up this extensive history in a single sentence: China does not possess a single follower, dependency.



Economic growth inherently requires trade, raw materials, and accessible markets. Natural resources are indeed China's strategic Achilles' heel. Currently, China relies on imports for 80% of its oil—a dependency ratio significantly higher than that of Imperial Japan on the eve of World War II.



The military reality of American actions against Iran delivers a massive strategic and technological blow to Chinese military theory. If American carrier strike groups struggle to decisively project power through and neutralize a force like Iran—which lacks a conventional blue-water navy—then what viable mechanism does China possess to forcefully break through the Malacca Strait and the First Island Chain?





China’s singular strategic opportunity has nothing to do with Taiwan. The only viable path to reversing their geopolitical encirclement lies in the conquest of Myanmar to secure direct access to the Indian Ocean, coupled with anchoring themselves unyieldingly to Russia—ensuring that Moscow neither collapses internally nor pivots toward the West，



In fact, it is observable that regardless of which faction China’s top leader belongs to, the very first thing they do upon taking office is to pay an official visit to Moscow. They understand perfectly well that the relationship with Russia directly concerns China's fate and future; as for Taiwan and similar issues, they are nothing more than mere lip service



This is because Russia possesses infinite natural resources; in the midst of a confrontation with the West, it is the singular lifeblood that China can rely upon once its maritime access routes are cut off

Although china currently dont have allies as even for west ,allies were of people/countries of same civilization

But i believe that china need to create allues , atleast at the level of usa-french alliances, not great but still liveable , specially with naturak resources as well as some countries with large middle income population to sell products/services

And yeah, relationship with russia us extremely imp as russia posses huge amount of natural resources, and also direct boundry so no 3rd country can threatened the supplies

Beside, i believe, china need to change north korea, and try to create good relationship with japan, japan can be great country, chinease people just need to forgive them for their crime against china in ww2

And obv south east asia, china should not try to bite ,it can not chew, china should not be involved with any active confrontation with sea nations and try to put the 9 dash line in cold box

China needed alliance and strong partners, and should alwys be ready to defend them militarily

"U can not became hegemon without having blood in your hand, and wounded legs"

 

[PhotonVish]

I don't see it that way. The 1991 Gulf War you mentioned was nothing more than the equivalent of the period between February 24th and April 2022 in the Russia-Ukraine war. In reality, the U.S. military and the coalition forces intended to achieve a swift victory, but they failed; in the context of the Russia-Ukraine war, this is what is called the 'First Phase of the Military Operation.'


Subsequently, the U.S. military retreated to the north to cultivate Kurdish rebels, supplying them with ammunition and equipment for over a decade, effectively annexing half of Iraq's territory during that time.


The so-called Second Iraq War that began in 2003 corresponds to what has been happening between Russia and Ukraine from that point up until today. By 2003, the strength of the puppet regime groomed by the United States had already surpassed the official forces of Saddam Hussein, which had been severely weakened by over a decade of sanctions.


The difference lies in the fact that the Gulf War was launched by a multilateral coalition, whereas the Russia-Ukraine war consists of the Russians + North Koreans fighting against the entirety of the West. The absolute caliber and the sheer intensity of the warfare are worlds apart.


The only real distinction is that the Russians have established an effective governance system, and looking at the current trajectory, it is highly improbable that Ukraine will be able to turn the tables. Conversely, the puppet regimes brought about by the two American interventions in Iraq have vanished without a trace; in the current conflict involving Iran, Iraq stands on Iran's side, with Iraqi militias launching attacks in all directions against U.S. military bases
If the United States hadn't ended up killing Saddam Hussein during the Second Iraq War, then your argument might still hold water. But the fact that they actually did kill him the second time around only proves that during the first war, they wanted to do it but simply lacked the capability to pull it off.

Nope, usa has very bitter memory of Vietnam war

Vietnam was a decisive period , the most imp war after ww2, the bitter experience, and humiliating defeat of usa and thousands of white american soldiers death in stupid and un necessary war has very nagative view in usa

Now no us govt can dare to directly intervene and fight at front on ground, either iraq, syria. Afganistan, every where they needed local support so that their soldiers death is low

American society will never ever accept the death of their men in large quantity which dont threaten them or europe

-> The goal of iraq war was the protection of saudi arabia and petro dollar(desert shield then desert storm)

So they just wanted to destroy iraq, they dont have desires to run iraq, Americans never cared about the life of middle eastern


It was only after 9/11 , usa govt realised that they needed a proper civilian govt in middle east , so that terrorist don't reach to their home land, and then only they start doing "democracy democracy " and establishing a civilian govt and started givibg aid in billions to these govt to make them stable

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Nope, usa has very bitter memory of Vietnam war

Vietnam was a decisive period , the most imp war after ww2, the bitter experience, and humiliating defeat of usa and thousands of white american soldiers death in stupid and un necessary war has very nagative view in usa

Now no us govt can dare to directly intervene and fight at front on ground, either iraq, syria. Afganistan, every where they needed local support so that their soldiers death is low

American society will never ever accept the death of their men in large quantity which dont threaten them or europe

-> The goal of iraq war was the protection of saudi arabia and petro dollar(desert shield then desert storm)

So they just wanted to destroy iraq, they dont have desires to run iraq, Americans never cared about the life of middle eastern


It was only after 9/11 , usa govt realised that they needed a proper civilian govt in middle east , so that terrorist don't reach to their home land, and then only they start doing "democracy democracy " and establishing a civilian govt and started givibg aid in billions to these govt to make them stable

Speaking of Vietnam, the United States lost nearly 9,000 aircraft—all obliterated by Soviet-made weaponry.


Bearing the losses of war is naturally par for the course; victory is always bought with blood. It is only when a civilization reaches its late stages, after a few generations, that it becomes corrupt and decadent. People develop the delusion that they can reap the fruits of victory without spilling blood. Fundamentally speaking, this is nothing more than the existential dread of the petty bourgeoisie—those who have lost the ability to move up the social ladder, yet live in terror of plummeting into the abyss of ruin.

It is precisely under the sway of such an ethos that so many laughable military theories and political rhetorics are spawned, acting as if Wall Street actually views the lower classes as human beings—when in reality, they are all just expendable consumables.

Xi Jinping, Modi, Trump, and Putin—they are the ones who truly belong to the same nation,
the same breed of people. As for the yellows, blacks, and whites down below, Even if you add the greens, or the blues to the mix, it's all the exact same thing.what difference does it make? Slaves are slaves; they belong to an entirely different species.

To return to the main point: when it comes to instigating subversion, orchestrating corruption, buying people off with money, and dangling Green Cards alongside Ivy League recommendation letters, the Americans are quite adept at those tactics.

But when it comes to actually fighting wars and manufacturing hardware, their innate talent is thoroughly mediocre.

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Although china currently dont have allies as even for west ,allies were of people/countries of same civilization

But i believe that china need to create allues , atleast at the level of usa-french alliances, not great but still liveable , specially with naturak resources as well as some countries with large middle income population to sell products/services

And yeah, relationship with russia us extremely imp as russia posses huge amount of natural resources, and also direct boundry so no 3rd country can threatened the supplies

Beside, i believe, china need to change north korea, and try to create good relationship with japan, japan can be great country, chinease people just need to forgive them for their crime against china in ww2

And obv south east asia, china should not try to bite ,it can not chew, china should not be involved with any active confrontation with sea nations and try to put the 9 dash line in cold box

China needed alliance and strong partners, and should alwys be ready to defend them militarily

"U can not became hegemon without having blood in your hand, and wounded legs"

Your assessment is highly astute, but you are analyzing this from the perspective of the state and the general populace. The actual holders of power, however, have their own ledger of vested interests. Their children get to attend Harvard completely free of charge; their goal is simply to rake in enough wealth and then slip away, utterly indifferent to whether the deluge follows them.

Their decisions often make the masses perceive them as 'stupid.' Yet, those with true insight who deeply understand human nature realize that they are actually 'evil.'

olso 'Evil' and 'stupid' are two completely different TWO-concepts.
but 'Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere' preached by Japan back then, and the 'Belt and Road Initiative' touted by the Chinese officials today, are fundamentally one and the ONE-same.

Otherwise, it would be impossible to explain why the Chinese government has offended so many of its neighbors.

If the people in power need the world to descend into chaos, then chaos it must be—regardless of how disgruntled the slaves might be.
through chaos can they turn a profit. Just look at how much the net worth of the world's top 500 wealthiest individuals skyrocketed during the three years of the COVID-19 pandemic. It's because when the real economy collapsed, all that money naturally flooded into the stock market. Consequently, the market makers raked in absolute fortunes without lifting a single finger

 

[batman]

I’m just telling it like it is. Electronic gear isn't some magic panacea, nor is it a philosopher's stone.
Besides, if you ask me, the weapons designed by the Americans are pretty garbage too. Since the end of World War II, any country that hasn't killed a few Americans would be too embarrassed to even claim they fought for national independence... In Vietnam alone, the US military lost over 9,000 aircraft—averaging 2.5 planes a day, sustained over a period of 10 years.
As for software, it’s even harder to wrap your head around. God knows how it’s supposed to manifest or be quantified in military hardware, let alone in boosting actual combat capability... After all, the central control CPU of the F-22 is inferior to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 packed inside everyone's smartphones today. Even the generic computers used in the Navy's Aegis Combat System—if I remember correctly—currently run on 2nd-generation Intel Core CPUs. You wouldn't find that junk listed on the secondhand market for more than 200 RMB.

I think I’ve mentioned this in another thread as well: even North Korean missiles are packed full of American chips. Anyone can use these things, and even the US is completely powerless to stop it.
If the United States cannot even stop missiles headed for America from being loaded with American chips, how on earth is China supposed to regulate drones heading toward China that contain circuit boards soldered by Chinese hands?
If this were the Cold War era, when electronic equipment was as massive as a shipping container, it might have made sense to try and restrict it through mechanisms like the COCOM (Coordinating Committee for Multilateral Export Controls). But today’s electronic chips are everywhere and available in every shape and form. A single tote bag full of chips is enough to keep Iran's entire missile factories running for two years...
Compared to chips and electronic garbage, nitrocellulose actually possesses far greater danger, exclusivity, and strategic significance
Compared to chips and electronic garbage, nitrocellulose actually possesses far greater danger, exclusivity, and strategic significanc......
When you think about it, the few vectors and target numbers you need to calculate in actual combat require a level of computing power that is utterly laughable compared to the PC specs demanded by a Japanese eroge (dating sim). Electronics and software have already become severely over-engineered and redundant for what a 'weapon' actually needs to do

They can’t even handle the bunch of trolls on X

Even though you are new here, I gotta say that I love reading through your posts here whether I agree with it or not, Infact I even started hoping that you do comment in some threads I come across daily.

The Pakistanis were essentially hiding behind civilian aircraft of PIA(their national air carrier) whatever jets that might have been shotdown we essentially for a mass spam of pl-15's and maybe HQ-9's which makes it interesting how they got hit. The rafales never responded with meteors because of the civilian aircraft used by PAF for cover. This part is always ignored regarding the 7th May air battle.

This, I hate how they were shameless and pathetic enough to do this and how more people weren't talking about this.

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

To be perfectly honest, within the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), there are two main factions that are relatively stronger in fighter jet manufacturing.

One is Shenyang in the north (famous for the J-8), which is notorious for its rock-bottom efficiency. A well-known meme about them is "One J-8 spawned eight Academicians." This is a sarcastic jab at how, merely by designing and manufacturing the J-8 fighter, eight individuals from this institution managed to ascend to the "Academician" status—the highest honor in the Chinese engineering sector. Furthermore, in Chinese slang, "J-8" (Ji-Ba) is a homophone for the male genitalia, giving the meme a double meaning: "One dick ejaculated eight Academicians."

The other is Chengdu in the south (famous for the J-7 and J-10). Its spotlight was completely stolen by the north until it finally turned things around with the arrival of the J-10. However, this plant represents another form of corruption. Riding the wave of "Reform and Opening-up," the Chief Designer of the J-10 aggressively pursued privatization, operating as a coordinated criminal syndicate to amass massive amounts of dirty money and gobble up vast plots of real estate. The later Chief Designer of the J-20 was the prized disciple of this J-10 designer. The J-20 project originally belonged to someone else, but because the J-10 designer wielded immense authority, he snatched the project away and handed it on a silver platter to his student, Yang Wei. Ultimately, Yang Wei was also elected as an "Academician" solely due to the J-20 project. However, because the final performance of the J-20 turned out to be absolute garbage, combined with the fact that their corruption scandal eventually came to light, he has now been arrested and placed under investigation (in fact, he was detained back in 2024). A prison sentence is inevitable.

Returning to the main topic: after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the country was dirt poor. Boris Yeltsin was aggressively pushing privatization to the point where blueprints were being sold by the kilogram. Sensing a golden opportunity, the Aviation Industry Corporation of China poured massive amounts of cash into poaching talent and buying up blueprints.
During this gold rush:
The northern faction (Shenyang)沈阳 connected with Sukhoi苏霍伊.
The southern faction (Chengdu)成都 connected with Mikoyan 米格.
(Because the development of the entire Sukhoi lineage was placed under the more authoritative northern faction, Shenyang earned the nickname "Shen-khoi沈-霍伊" )

Meanwhile, next-generation fighter designs that began selection in the 1980s were submitted to the Air Force for review. This was supposed to be a stealth aircraft, but China possessed absolutely zero capability, experience, or experimental equipment to design such a plane. The relevant formulas were literally conjured up by a professor at Beihang University based entirely on Russian and American literature. The PLA had absolutely no confidence in it, so they spent tens of thousands of dollars in hard cash to hire experts from the Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) in Moscow to evaluate the design.

The verdict? The radar cross-section (RCS) values calculated by the Chinese side were a staggering 10 times lower than reality. In other words, while the Chinese side believed their design had an RCS of 1㎡, the Russian assessment concluded it was 10㎡ by Russian standards. (Source: Memoirs of Academician 顾诵芬)

Consequently, the entire 1980s R&D project was completely scrapped and torn down. The next-generation aircraft would have to be decided through a head-to-head showdown between the two factions.
Shenyang (North)Su-37.
Chengdu (South) proposed an interceptor variant based on the MiG 1.42/1.46.
Ultimately, Chengdu won the bid, and the result of that victory is the J-20.

In terms of propulsion, the target engine was designated WS-15. In reality, it is a reverse-engineered R79-B300. The actual engine and its corresponding blueprints—including the complete set of vectoring nozzle blueprints—were bought and brought back from Russia in 1996 by "Academician Liu Daxiang（刘大响）." Development was carried out by shrinking the bypass ratio based on this platform. However, because their foundational capabilities were too poor, R&D dragged on disastrously; they have been grinding away at it for 30 years now. Around 2010, some suggested that the original targets were set too low and the project had dragged on for too long, meaning they should keep the designation but scrap the project and start fresh. Yet, judging by current progress, it is highly likely still just a modification of the old R79, because China lacks the capability to develop a brand-new engine from scratch in such a short timeframe. The design of this engine was also the result of assistance and theoretical calculations from Moscow—including wind tunnel testing and thermal equilibrium simulations, all completed in Moscow. The bypass ratio is likely squeezed very tight, somewhere between 0.2 and 0.3, to satisfy China's urgent operational need for maritime interception.(Source: Memoirs of Academician 刘大响).

As a result, the J-20 was forced to adopt the WS-10 "Taihang太行" series of engines. This engine was reverse-engineered from the CFM56-2 commercial turbofan introduced during the 1980s Sino-US honeymoon period. The method of reverse-engineering was to secretly disassemble the engine at night to measure and map it, and then reassemble and reinstall it before daybreak to evade commercial audits by their "American Daddy." The low-pressure stage and the lubrication system were copied lock, stock, and barrel from the AL-31F

1、WS-10/10A: Rated thrust of 12.5 tons, weighing 200 kg more than the AL-31F. It didn't pass final acceptance until 2017. Due to inherent structural defects, it was accepted only after throttling the thrust down by 700 kg (the original project goal was 13.2 tons).
2、WS-10BCFM56-7 engines and F110-GE-129 engines obtained through special illicit channels (though the low-pressure stage remained the AL-31F). It finally hit its rated thrust and passed acceptance around 2020.
3、There is also a variant with a purported 14-ton thrust.

Generally speaking, the WS-10B is inferior to the AL-31F, and the 14-ton variant is inferior to the AL-31FM1.
The name WS-10 'Taihang太行' itself is a pun. While it refers to a mountain, 'Tai Hang' also sounds like 'super capable' or 'awesome' in Chinese. However, because its garbage performance is an open secret across the Chinese internet, it has been widely mocked with the nickname 'Tai Buxing太不行'—which literally translates to 'Super Incapable' or 'Too Trash to Work.

Back to the J-20's powerplant issue: early test flights used the AL-31F; later flights used the AL-31F-M2 (according to Russian export records, these were delivered after 2015). Ultimately, for the sake of claiming "100% domestic production," the mass-produced models were fitted with the far inferior WS-10B. Today, they might also be using the 14-ton thrust variant. All in all, it is an absolute mess.

Regarding maintenance and sortie rates, the entire WS-10 series has a service life of a mere 900 to 1,500 hours, with even the latest variants not exceeding 2,000 hours.
The training standards of the Chinese Air Force are also exceptionally poor—far below Pakistan's standards, and probably on par with India's. It is an open secret that military pilots line up waiting for a chance to transfer to commercial civil aviation. Furthermore, once they hit 45 to 50 years old, they are forced to retire or transfer to flying drones, leading to an abysmal accumulation of veteran experience. In Chinese Air Force flight and adversarial training, they never conduct within-visual-range (WVR) dogfighting (the Army and even the Armed Police Force have no hand-to-hand combat training either).
As for the radar, it features an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. Internal propaganda boasts a detection range of "2XX" kilometers (the last two digits are always redacted and blurred out), which basically aligns with common sense, physics, and their actual technical level.
The most heavily criticized aspect is its payload capacity—everyone can see how pathetic it is, so people don't even bother talking about it anymore.
Regarding its stealth capabilities: in reality, China’s very first full-scale anechoic chamber capable of accommodating an actual, real-size fighter jet wasn't even built until after the J-20's maiden flight. To top it off, it was constructed by Shenyang—Chengdu's arch-rival. Throughout the entire design phase of the J-20, they couldn't even use proper physical testing methods to verify and refine its stealth performance

The J-20 holds a rather unique status in global aviation:
It is the only "5th-generation" fighter in the world without thrust-vectoring control (TVC). (Though with the J-35 around now, it’s one of two).
It is the only "5th-generation" fighter in the world that lacks an internal autocannon or any provision to mount one. (Though with the J-35 around, it’s one of two).
It is the only "5th-generation" fighter in the world equipped with previous-generation engines. (Though with the J-35 around, it’s one of two).
It is the only "5th-generation" fighter in the world featuring a tailless delta wing configuration.
It is the only "5th-generation" fighter in the world whose Chief Designer is rotting in a jail cell.

In short, it is truly "mind-blowing."

And then, this exact same company went ahead and designed a three-engine frontline bomber—absolutely brilliant. As a side note, the FC-1 (JF-17) also came out of this company. That thing was originally designated the "MiG-33"—not the current MiG-29M variant of the 33, but a single-engine version of the MiG-29 designed during the Soviet era to cater to cash-strapped allies. Later, the blueprints along with the engineers were sold wholesale to Chengdu.


Returning to Shen-khoi沈-霍伊 in the north: having lost out on the Air Force's next-generation contract, the Navy's 5th-generation fighter naturally fell into Shenyang's lap. The earliest prototype was called the FC-31, powered by RD-33 engines. Later, to meet naval requirements, they scaled up its dimensions (similar to the transition from the F-18 to the F/A-18C) to facilitate bomb-carrying capabilities.

However, because the design remains fundamentally terrible, judging by currently leaked spy shots and satellite imagery, this monstrosity's wingspan when folded is even wider than that of the Su-33. Yet, it is fitted with two modified RD-33 engines, with rumors claiming the thrust has been pushed up to around 10 tons. Anyone with a brain knows exactly what is going on here: they just increased the bypass ratio of the RD-33 to boost low-altitude performance while completely abandoning energy retention for air combat.

This is the J-35. And because the J-20 turned out to be such unmitigated garbage—essentially acting as nothing more than a "A MiG-31 that can go stealth, yet flies slow and carries no long-range missiles."—the Air Force now intends to buy a batch of these as well. That is the origin of the land-based variant of the J-35.

Consequently, the entire 1980s R&D project was completely scrapped and torn down. The next-generation aircraft would have to be decided through a head-to-head showdown between the two factions.
Shenyang (North)Su-37.
Chengdu (South) proposed an interceptor variant based on the MiG 1.42/1.46.
Ultimately, Chengdu won the bid, and the result of that victory is the J-20.
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During the article review, I discovered that a paragraph was left out at this specific point:

Consequently, the entire 1980s R&D project was completely scrapped and torn down. The next-generation aircraft would have to be decided through a head-to-head showdown between the two factions.
Shenyang (North)proposal was a large, three-surface aircraft similar to the Su-37. However, because China's industrial capability at the time was unable to achieve it, the design was scrapped.
Chengdu (South) proposed an interceptor variant based on the MiG 1.42/1.46.
Ultimately, Chengdu won the bid, and the result of that victory is the J-20.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Your assessment is highly astute, but you are analyzing this from the perspective of the state and the general populace. The actual holders of power, however, have their own ledger of vested interests. Their children get to attend Harvard completely free of charge; their goal is simply to rake in enough wealth and then slip away, utterly indifferent to whether the deluge follows them.

Their decisions often make the masses perceive them as 'stupid.' Yet, those with true insight who deeply understand human nature realize that they are actually 'evil.'

olso 'Evil' and 'stupid' are two completely different TWO-concepts.
but 'Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere' preached by Japan back then, and the 'Belt and Road Initiative' touted by the Chinese officials today, are fundamentally one and the ONE-same.

Otherwise, it would be impossible to explain why the Chinese government has offended so many of its neighbors.

If the people in power need the world to descend into chaos, then chaos it must be—regardless of how disgruntled the slaves might be.
through chaos can they turn a profit. Just look at how much the net worth of the world's top 500 wealthiest individuals skyrocketed during the three years of the COVID-19 pandemic. It's because when the real economy collapsed, all that money naturally flooded into the stock market. Consequently, the market makers raked in absolute fortunes without lifting a single finger

Don't you think that one day China will annex Siberia?

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Lol, stealth is very imp

Idk why, almost all militries disagree with u

Even china is making tail less fighter like j36/j50 and usa's f47 , so that stealth can be bettered and multi spectrum stealth

Russia too is using flat nozzle to reduce ir signature and increase ir stealth

The basic iterative process of aircraft development is as follows:
1. Initiate engine R&D (engine development takes roughly 25 years, whereas the airframe itself only requires about 15 years);
2. Advance conceptual design and preliminary research;
3. Prototype manufacturing;
4. Flight testing, commissioning, and entry into service.

The entire pipeline follows a universal principle adhered to by China, Russia, and the United States: 'Simultaneously serial-producing one generation, engineering the next generation, and conducting pre-research on the generation after that.'

The F-47 and China’s next-generation fighter jets were clearly conceived too early, failing to undergo the theoretical crucible of the Russia-Ukraine war.

In my view, the future mainstay fighter jet will feature a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) of 80+ tons, possess the ability to take off from a 300-meter Unimproved runway under full combat load, achieve a maximum speed of Mach 3, and reach a service ceiling of 30,000 meters. When cruising at Mach 2 its combat radius should reach 1,500 kilometers. Its core powerplant—perhaps a cluster of four AL-41F1S (117S) or AL-41F1 (117) engines—could suffice to achieve baseline operational functionality. It will feature automated rearward or all-aspect defensive gun turrets to enable all-aspect terminal interception of incoming air-to-air missiles and a baseline anti-drone capability. Emphasizing a non-stealth configuration, it will be capable of carrying heavy precision-guided glide bombs, hypersonic air-to-surface missiles, ultra-long-range air-to-air missiles, and real-time datalinks to guide surface-to-air missiles.

The auxiliary fighter aircraft will follow the paradigm of the S-70B Okhotnik: unmanned, equipped with a degree of autonomous artificial intelligence for flight operations, with its core mission centered on the deployment of heavy precision-guided glide bombs，
-------------------------------Most importantly, it has to be cheap, and there has to be a lot of it—an absolute abundance.

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Don't you think that one day China will annex Siberia?

First of all, the strength and capability simply do not exist.
Secondly, Russia is of paramount importance to China.
Finally, according to dialectical thinking—even powerful dynasties like the Great Tang and the Great Qing failed to project their influence beyond the Taklamakan Desert. For today’s China to talk about Siberia is pure wishful thinking.

Furthermore, Myanmar is of far greater strategic importance to China than Siberia ever will be

 

[randomradio]

The basic iterative process of aircraft development is as follows:
1. Initiate engine R&D (engine development takes roughly 25 years, whereas the airframe itself only requires about 15 years);
2. Advance conceptual design and preliminary research;
3. Prototype manufacturing;
4. Flight testing, commissioning, and entry into service.

The entire pipeline follows a universal principle adhered to by China, Russia, and the United States: 'Simultaneously serial-producing one generation, engineering the next generation, and conducting pre-research on the generation after that.'

The F-47 and China’s next-generation fighter jets were clearly conceived too early, failing to undergo the theoretical crucible of the Russia-Ukraine war.

In my view, the future mainstay fighter jet will feature a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) of 80+ tons, possess the ability to take off from a 300-meter Unimproved runway under full combat load, achieve a maximum speed of Mach 3, and reach a service ceiling of 30,000 meters. When cruising at Mach 2 its combat radius should reach 1,500 kilometers. Its core powerplant—perhaps a cluster of four AL-41F1S (117S) or AL-41F1 (117) engines—could suffice to achieve baseline operational functionality. It will feature automated rearward or all-aspect defensive gun turrets to enable all-aspect terminal interception of incoming air-to-air missiles and a baseline anti-drone capability. Emphasizing a non-stealth configuration, it will be capable of carrying heavy precision-guided glide bombs, hypersonic air-to-surface missiles, ultra-long-range air-to-air missiles, and real-time datalinks to guide surface-to-air missiles.

The auxiliary fighter aircraft will follow the paradigm of the S-70B Okhotnik: unmanned, equipped with a degree of autonomous artificial intelligence for flight operations, with its core mission centered on the deployment of heavy precision-guided glide bombs，
-------------------------------Most importantly, it has to be cheap, and there has to be a lot of it—an absolute abundance.

You don't need 80 tons if your range requirement is just 4500 km for 1500 km radius at mach 2. Just regular 40T will be enough. With 80T, you can get intercontinental range.

 

[PhotonVish]

First of all, the strength and capability simply do not exist.
Secondly, Russia is of paramount importance to China.
Finally, according to dialectical thinking—even powerful dynasties like the Great Tang and the Great Qing failed to project their influence beyond the Taklamakan Desert. For today’s China to talk about Siberia is pure wishful thinking.

Furthermore, Myanmar is of far greater strategic importance to China than Siberia ever will be

Yup i too believe, if china eger wanted to invade and annex any sovereign territory it never claimed to be her then it must of myanmar

A nation with less than 60 million population, and some ethnicity shares w8th the tribes/ethnicity of china's south

And an internallly divided country, with no major power ready to have a war to save it

Myanmar as a country does not seems to exist far too in future

Too little cost and too much benefit, finally open to no chokepoint and no usa dominance, and compleete access to ocean, and obv untapped natural resources

If i were ccp president, then it will be tempting to select whats better ? Taiwan or Myanmar ?

A very developed country with own people but a superpower(usa) may came uo defend it along with japan

OR a huge natural resource country that gives unrestricted, unchallenged open ocean access and can not be blocked by any other country gives huge advantage in invading taiwan when usa may blocked china

But then risk being considered imperialist and basically the usa of asia

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

You don't need 80 tons if your range requirement is just 4500 km for 1500 km radius at mach 2. Just regular 40T will be enough. With 80T, you can get intercontinental range.

80tons Max Take Off weight
40tons Cruise Thrusing