Nirbhay Family of Subsonic Cruise Missiles : News and Discussions

Fatalis said:
PDC is expected to be completed by July 2023. Then may be we can see some movement on LRLACM.

There are three versions:
1. Nirbhay-OG: Uses Russian engine. News is that it is in service with IA in limited numbers.

2. ITCM-TD: As name suggests it is a Technology Demonstrator with higher indeginous content and desi STFE.

3. LRLACM: The new kid on the block. 1500+ km range missile being developed for IN and IAF.

It is interesting to note that LRLACM is not being developed for IA. May be the Rocket Force will come into effect and remove the service's control.
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Tbh the army service does not need that much ranged option for any use, its beyond their theater of action. Anything over 500km is arguably so & falls under IAF theater imo. From the few docs posted before, it does seem STFE development itself has scope for extended range missiles in Mk2, which is possibly this 1500km version that we talk about. Otherwise any cruise missile normally upto 800km used to be enough for us.

Btw per the poster, the missile is 1450kg overall weight & 1000kg cruise phase weight. What would be the warhead size considering it must have used a ballast? Needs to be Pralay sized very large warhead for enough damage given low kinetic energy impact (just about supersonic).
 
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LRLACM from UVLS

@marich01 sir any more info on this tender?

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Ashwin said:
m.timesofindia.com

India China News: Amid border row with China, India moves to boost conventional missile arsenal | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: India is now stepping on the gas to produce both short-range and long-range conventional missiles for major non-nuclear strikes against ene.
m.timesofindia.com m.timesofindia.com

New long-range land-attack cruise missiles (LR-LACMs) and submarine-launched cruise missiles (SLCMs), with a 1,000-km range, will also be ready for production within a couple of years
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Could, would, should.....more money down the drain....it will be another of DODO failure, believe it when you see it
 
Fatalis said:
I meant UVLM which is already present on the DDG and FFG.
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I know even less on the naval systems. Until the land launched one is complete not even gonna be much progress there imo separately, deployment and trial wise. I think both land version and ship version will be trialled within a year of each other.
 

@marich01 @randomradio @Ashwin

What is going on with LRLACM? On one hand BEL is saying they expect orders from 2027 and on other hand we are hearing that only private companies will manufacture this missile and they are not even sure which missile will cater to this requirement. If there is 50% indeginous content then even Tomahawk is allowed in the competition.
 
There would be multiple DcPP companies, at least 2 I hope that can be lead integrator. At present empty pc assy order is what we saw from a sub vendor. Round of tests should follow sometimes next year. Election year very soon so no telling what happens when. Political decisions often influence R&D decisions.
 
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Hydra said:
Tomahawk? Sure
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If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion don't post one-liners.
Fatalis said:

@marich01 @randomradio @Ashwin

What is going on with LRLACM? On one hand BEL is saying they expect orders from 2027 and on other hand we are hearing that only private companies will manufacture this missile and they are not even sure which missile will cater to this requirement. If there is 50% indeginous content then even Tomahawk is allowed in the competition.
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I guess they want multiple production agencies to get most cost effective option.

LRLACM is fully Indian development. What do you mean by 50% content.

I did not see the video.
 
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Ashwin said:
If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion don't post one-liners.

I guess they want multiple production agencies to get most cost effective option.

LRLACM is fully Indian development. What do you mean by 50% content.

I did not see the video.
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Under make 1 private companies can tie up with foreign companies to pitch their product with 50pc local content. Not sure why it is under iddm and funded by govt when it's plain screwdrivegiri.


It is confusing that drdo projects are being duplicated under make 1 .
 
Chain Smoker said:
Under make 1 private companies can tie up with foreign companies to pitch their product with 50pc local content. Not sure why it is under iddm and funded by govt when it's plain screwdrivegiri.


It is confusing that drdo projects are being duplicated under make 1 .
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There are certain things to learn that you can not get from mere ToT, manufacturing techniques, process, QA/QC. This is why short term handholding is given a priority in the industrial sector, to take a step ahead. DRDO own ToT does not mean the industry/industrial partner suddenly becomes capable and starts churning out missiles on its own. There are lead integrator, major system makers, under them sub vendors who do much smaller critical system makers. So each tier need to have certain industrial capability expertise that you can not develop suddenly in our nascent industrial base. Be it materials, communication, electronics, composites, metallurgy, opto-electronics every sector that plays crucial role.

Each industrial partner has to refine their production to a very mature stage because there is zero fault tolerance in aerospace industry, that can come from only years of working experience. You can get ToT for a foreign missile, even get some machinery in from the company, but it takes a long time, 2-5-10 yrs to develop the refined manufacturing process of the OEM for efficient running. Else you will start incurring losses because your products will not pass QA/QC and get rejected. Any business house can only absorb losses upto 3 FY till which they need to turn it at least break even, and that happens only when you develop hands on expertise in mfg. This is why defence mfg has such high entry barrier.

DRDO RCI also released EOI for dcpp for every missile project so this will have 1 or 2 partner who will handle the user groups.
 
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Fatalis said:

@marich01 @randomradio @Ashwin

What is going on with LRLACM? On one hand BEL is saying they expect orders from 2027 and on other hand we are hearing that only private companies will manufacture this missile and they are not even sure which missile will cater to this requirement. If there is 50% indeginous content then even Tomahawk is allowed in the competition.
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DRDO is being given competition, that's all. Private players can also present their own designs, even with foreign collaboration if necessary.

Separately, DRDO is looking for a production partner for its design, under what they call DCPP. Basically, what they did in the ATAGS program.

And it's not necessary that they will have just 1 design, they may be able to partner with 2 or more partners with different designs, like ATAGS.
 
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Forgot to say it will have the package around too , you know, leftover dress from nirbhay. ;) Hopefully not another nosedive into the sea.:oops::censored::cautious:
 
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