Nuclear Option- Calling the Pakistani Bluff

[advaidhya]

Long back, I watched a film, The Rock. It was about a similar kind of blackmail using chemical weapons by a group of ex-soldiers who took over the world's max security prison. One of the best dialigues of the movie was, "We tried bluffing them, they called off our bluff, let us now wind up".
Same is true about Pakistan, they have used this nuke threat for far too long and now its time to call their bluff. In that movie the US govt decides to use thermobaric bombs on the prison and roast/vapourise everyone inside including the hostages.

In that movie, the soldiers who took over the prison only did it to get them what was due rather than with hatred against the people. The general never had the intent of killing or harming the people in real but only were bluffing.

This is never the case with Pakistan. Pakistan and Islamists in general are extremely evil and have full intent to cause maximum harm. There is no other way other than to keep sufficient reserve and preparation to take some losses for greater good

 

[vstol Jockey]

The difference is the villain General still had integrity in the end. How do you know if the Pakistanis today possess integrity? They haven't shown any integrity in the past.

In that movie, the soldiers who took over the prison only did it to get them what was due rather than with hatred against the people. The general never had the intent of killing or harming the people in real but only were bluffing.

This is never the case with Pakistan. Pakistan and Islamists in general are extremely evil and have full intent to cause maximum harm. There is no other way other than to keep sufficient reserve and preparation to take some losses for greater good

Tell me about one Muslim Army which has ever fought to the last man? The fact that they have no integrity means that they are more likely to be cowards than warriors.

 

[Arvind]

In that movie, the soldiers who took over the prison only did it to get them what was due rather than with hatred against the people. The general never had the intent of killing or harming the people in real but only were bluffing.

This is never the case with Pakistan. Pakistan and Islamists in general are extremely evil and have full intent to cause maximum harm. There is no other way other than to keep sufficient reserve and preparation to take some losses for greater good

Tell me about one Muslim Army which has ever fought to the last man? The fact that they have no integrity means that they are more likely to be cowards than warriors.

Biggest misconception here.

Why do people relate the pysche of people who command nukes with the expendable suicide bombers?

You must know the one ruling is so much into luxury that they have left the religion long back. Its just a tool.

Be noted, when it came to chose between death and honor, people do tend to chose pitiful life. Ask those 90K who surrendered. Pakistanis are no different.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Biggest misconception here.

Why do people relate the pysche of people who command nukes with the expendable suicide bombers?

You must know the one ruling is so much into luxury that they have left the religion long back. Its just a tool.

Be noted, when it came to chose between death and honor, people do tend to chose pitiful life. Ask those 90K who surrendered. Pakistanis are no different.

Exactly my point. When they know that the war has started and there are only hard choices to be made, I would like to see that General in Pakistan who is willing to sign the death warrant of 22 crore Pakistanis.

 

[Arvind]

Exactly my point. When they know that the war has started and there are only hard choices to be made, I would like to see that General in Pakistan who is willing to sign the death warrant of 22 crore Pakistanis.

Including for himself, his multi acre banglow, hefty bank balance, his rich life, kids and family.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Biggest misconception here.

Why do people relate the pysche of people who command nukes with the expendable suicide bombers?

You must know the one ruling is so much into luxury that they have left the religion long back. Its just a tool.

Be noted, when it came to chose between death and honor, people do tend to chose pitiful life. Ask those 90K who surrendered. Pakistanis are no different

Exactly my point. When they know that the war has started and there are only hard choices to be made, I would like to see that General in Pakistan who is willing to sign the death warrant of 22 crore Pakistanis.

If I were to play the Devils Advocate here, a few questions would be in order , in no particular order -
Which Pakistani COAS would like to be known as the second Niazi & suffer loss of territory along with prestige?

Do we know the chain of command as far as decision making goes for TNW or the strategic lot in Pakistan? ( we know the redlines)

Let's not speculate on what's Pakistan's red lines will be, before we have publicly listed our own. Viz - We still don't have the GoI's version on 26/11. All the GoI does is insist that Pakistan bring the perpetrators to justice. Are we convinced by Pakistan's narrative that this is an act by non state actors. Or are we buying their narrative at least in public to prevent further complications, thus indirectly giving deep state a clean chit and tacit encouragement to their nefarious plan and role in Kashmir apart from other terrorist outrages across India.

Reports indicate that it has been conveyed to Pakistan behind closed doors that any such repeat would have grave consequences. Why hasn't the GoI (then & now) explicitly stated that a repeat would attract punitive measures and spelt them out .May one know why? Are we truly afraid that some jihadi group can attempt something similar in the near future, without the involvement of the Pakistani state? How would we react then?

I chose this example as this remains the single most effective casus belli in our arsenal should we decide to prosecute our reconquest of PoK plan ( assuming we have the balls and the tools to do it) . Further, any attempt by the Pakistanis to convert this into an excuse to launch N weapons will see them at a distinct disadvantage in the eyes of the world.

 

[Arvind]

Which Pakistani COAS would like to be known as the second Niazi & suffer loss of territory along with prestige?

Whoever had to make that choice.

Do we know the chain of command as far as decision making goes for TNW or the strategic lot in Pakistan? ( we know the redlines)

We know that it would be echelons of armed forces and political party in power. Both are too deep into power and luxury to relinquish their lives.

Let's not speculate on what's Pakistan's red lines will be, before we have publicly listed our own.

There wont be any red lines till we can still accommodate the power hubs of Pakistani Punjab.

Viz - We still don't have the GoI's version on 26/11. All the GoI does is insist that Pakistan bring the perpetrators to justice. Are we convinced by Pakistan's narrative that this is an act by non state actors. Or are we buying their narrative at least in public to prevent further complications, thus indirectly giving deep state a clean chit and tacit encouragement to their nefarious plan and role in Kashmir apart from other terrorist outrages across India.

Perhaps by Pakistan means Pakistan - deep establishment responsible for 26/11. India might be optimistic of Pakistan having another existing or possible power circle which is non complacent into terror.

Reports indicate that it has been conveyed to Pakistan behind closed doors that any such repeat would have grave consequences. Why hasn't the GoI (then & now) explicitly stated that a repeat would attract punitive measures and spelt them out .May one know why? Are we truly afraid that some jihadi group can attempt something similar in the near future, without the involvement of the Pakistani state? How would we react then?

This "abke maar ke dikha" wont give us any mileage, rather would show as cowardice. We were not prepared that time, we may not be prepared even next time. Tactical retreats are only good if you can bounce back at right time.

On this topic, even I could play Devil's Advocate.

I chose this example as this remains the single most effective casus belli in our arsenal should we decide to prosecute our reconquest of PoK plan ( assuming we have the balls and the tools to do it) . Further, any attempt by the Pakistanis to convert this into an excuse to launch N weapons will see them at a distinct disadvantage in the eyes of the world.

Reconquest PoK?

I need to tag @advaidhya to provide you a plan for that. I do not have any neither I look after for it.

 

[Arvind]

@sama Checkout this thread

 

[Shajida Khan]

90% of Pakistan can be shut down with just Brahmos missiles. Target their electrical power plants and whole of Pakistan will have no electricity at all.

Brahmos is too expensive of a weapon for this, even with our old Klub-N missiles, we can bring Pakistan Punjab to its knees.

 

[RISING SUN]