Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan
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If Pakistan acquires hypersonic missiles (it will surely do), what counters can India have?
BTW- I am surprised that Iran is able to hit Israel with hypersonic missiles.
If Pakistan acquires hypersonic missiles (it will surely do), what counters can India have?
BTW- I am surprised that Iran is able to hit Israel with hypersonic missiles.
As per DRDO chief, PGLRSAM is designed with capabilities of S-500 in mind. So expect it to have some anti-Hypersonic capability. However, we're working on dedicated anti Hypersonic weapons under project BMD Phase 3 with development of two AD missiles known as ADAH(anti HGV) and ADAM(anti HCM).
Lol let them make a wind tunnel to test hypersonic designd first. Even that is beyond their capability and is difficult to achieve. Only way they will get it in near future is if China shares basic designs of its DF ZF and DF26 and Pakistaj copies them which is more likely. In that case we need S500, Kusha, and AD AH deployed, not to mention advanced space satellites to detect classify and track hypersonic projectiles.
China / Iran will share hypersonic technology to Pakistan. It is a given.
Hope India achieves counter to hypersonic weapons soon.
Rafales did shoot back and scored air-to-air kills. Wait for full details to come out.
The point is, if Rafales were carrying MICA-RF/IR for self-protection, this bubble would have increased multi-fold with Meteors. With Meteor having a NEZ of 60kms(may be close to 100 in real-world), Rafale could have wiped out entire PAF formation after they attacked us with PL-15s. ROE changed when PAF fighters started to lob their BVRAAMs against our jets who were well inside our airspace.
Rafale with MICA(any variant) has no advantage over an MKI with Astra/Derby-ER/R-77-1 and is in serious disadvantage against PAF jets carrying PL-15s.
Everything comes back to strike package specifications. If one knows the munitions being carried, they can ascertain the operational engagement that the jets are expecting. The question again comes back to why they carried something and why they did not carry something else. This in turn will give way to the decision making that was made for the initial wave that struck Pak. By decision making you know it does not stop with the IAF brass or the western command.
Yea not gonna be worried if Iran gives their missile technology to Pakistan lol. China is a different matter. If was long and hard for them to develop DF ZF and DF 17. So they won't give it directly but they will give something similar, a scaled down version and probably the conical hypersonic vehicle (DF26?) to Pak. As I said we need space based satellites constantly tracking these projectiles and make them interface with AD AH, S500 and Kusha. These projectiles produce a lot of heat so developing the satellites which can track them through the heat they produce is hard indeed but probably not beyond our capability. The US is already making such a system. @randomradio @Ashwin @Rajput Lion @Parthu do you guys reckon some of the 52 sats we are launching now will have HGV detection capabilities? Sorry if I asked this question before
Many armchair US deep state experts who were woken up can take a break now.
"Hypersonic" is a very loaded term. What Iran did was to shoot 100s of missiles and get some through, most of them not being precision but just hitting random places. This was seen last time as well. India did way better in Op Sindoor using Brahmos. It hit a cross-section of runway disabling two at the same time. Thats next level precision that likes of Iran can not even dream to achieve. If Pakistan gets (it actually already has) that kind of "hypersonic" weapon, then India needs to do nothing. It's essentially their "AKG-400" missile which was successfully intercepted.
What India needs to do is to get 10,000s of cheap rocket artillery with 400 KM range and aim it on Pakistan's cities. Let them *censored* with us and we will make swiss-cheese out of their cities.
Ok boomer. There was no social media in 1999.
We live in a completely different information era. It is absurd to compare it to Kargil. There were very few avenues to express individual opinions and frustrations. You can't suppress it and claim the "military" moral high ground; you have to embrace it. When the objective is reached and the dust has settled, it's time to count the beans. It's human lives and taxpayer money being blown up. It's not only the prerogative of a select few to analyze and criticize operations.
Also, did you write your little blog with pen and paper and distribute to your friends during Kargil? No, times have changed. You have embraced it and are utilizing it properly for some social relevance. Everyone else has the same freedom.
Raining 150 km Pinaka MLRS in the thousands every hour on Lahore and Islamabad would be amazing
. However that means our systems have to be relatively close to the border where they are vulnerable to Pakistani MLRS and drones as well. Which means we need to act quickly and strike first with shock and awe, ie launching thousands of artillery and MLRS within a very short period of time.
Nice 
zeenews.india.com
Operation Sindoor: Rafales, Sukhois Shot Down Pakistan’s JF-17s, Mirages In Dogfight; India Set To Reveal Smoking Gun Evidence
Sources inside India’s top defence establishment confirm that enemy aircraft shot down mid-air.
zeenews.india.com
I'm not gen Z or even Y. There were Kargil veterans who worked in my team, when I ran a company.
The generally accepted practise among the more progressive democracies is to announce human losses - which we did and material
losses, when they are known with certainty to the enemy. After that, there are internal studies on the conflict going into a lot of detail on
material losses. Confidential details in those studies are kept out of the public domain.
There was no editorials at the time of Kargil, critical of our losses - though we made serious errors in intel and tactics. That was a matter for
the Kargil review committee.
I have cited what I believe to be the most credible sources in my blog - for material losses on both sides.
I reason I have reacted in the way I have to reports of aircraft losses, is that social media is paying disproportionate attention to the loss of Indian aircraft, which was Pak's objective - win the narrative war if you can't win the real war.
It has almost come to the point of - we lost 3 or 4 or 6 aircraft, therefore we lost to Pak.
Sensationalise, repeat, and do propaganda with AI. Welcome to social media war. It is the new normal and everyone needs to get good at it.
To fight a nuclear power armed by 2 superpowers and then be pissed about our tax payer money being blown up is actually retarded, no offence. We fought Pakistan, not Palestine
. Indian military demonstrated clear weaknesses in the initial stages and then quickly rectified them. That's what counts. It shows an evolving military machine which is capable of learning and changing very quickly.
I had very clearly told that Rafale in India have still not be upgraded as per ISE standards and now it is very open to all that even Meteor missiles have not been added to Rafale. DA had made a fool of IAF. They back trackked on providing assistance for Kaveri engine as well which was part of the offsets.
This is downright pathetic! @randomradio, @Picdelamirand-oil, @Herciv, @Bon Plan
No wonder Su-30 MKI, with all its Indian enhancements, came out as true Ace of this combat even above Rafale. French need to get serious about doing business with us or else we should buy F-21s & F-35s over Rafale.
I believe that Brahmos missed target (possibly, their hanger with goodies) and hit runway. Let's not spin it otherwise.
IAF can not be foolishness enough to hit a runway, when they have opportunity to much more costly damage (remember, India was only giving proportionate response i.e. 1 for 1).
My 0.00000002 cents.