Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

[RationalGuy]

As per @Hellfire, Pak no longer controls their nukes. It’s under US control, and based on some folks who track planes flying into Pak,
some time today there was a US plane was in Pak which carried US personnel to check the destruction caused to those nukes by Indian strike ..

DAMN . So this likely means the US has boots on the ground securing their nukes sites. Makes me feel much better ngl.

IF true they had the chance to rip away nuke from pak. We didn't do that,or political leadership didn't allow them to do that.

Let's be real highly likely they store nukes across multiple sites. And I just recently learned it's probable US controls them so if we move to destroy them it may cause US casualties.

 

[Shan]

Guys please share the verified/confirmed OSINT images on instagram/twitter. They really do help.

 

[vvabhiram]

my doubt is :

If the PAF’s mighty F-16s with their AIM-120s and J-10s with PL-15s can supposedly shoot down IAF jets like Rafales at will, then why are they sitting ducks when IAF jets come knocking on their airbases with air-to-surface missiles? According to the PAF’s cheerleaders in Western media, they’ve shot down 5 Rafales. If their claims held any water, IAF jets should be fleeing in terror at the sight of a PAF fighter. So why is the PAF watching helplessly as the IAF turns their bases into a fireworks display?

 

[South block]

that guy is in islamabad, pakees are probably supplying heeramandi stuff to him. ISI apparently has a division which manages such dalla activities to trap their politicians for future blackmail

Hajmula sethi talk about this in one of his program.... About supplying beautiful khatuns to white man in West to counter endia

 

[Lolwa]

Time to do the damage assessment inflicted on them!

Heres the damage assessment

 

[Asterion Moloc]

DAMN . So this likely means the US has boots on the ground securing their nukes sites. Makes me feel much better ngl.

Let's be real highly likely they store nukes across multiple sites. And I just recently learned it's probable US controls them so if we move to destroy them it may cause US casualties.

I dont think US boots per se are on grounds in Pak, but US has shared PAL tech and also provided pakistan funds to develop mechanisms to securely store its nukes, you can research more by see this wiki link

Detailed information about PAL systems design and their use is classified, although these mechanisms have been offered to Pakistan[27] for protection of their nuclear weapons.[28] In the end, the US decided that it could not do so for legal reasons; the Pakistanis were also concerned that such technology would be sabotaged by a "kill-switch" that the US could operate. However, many experts in the field of nuclear technology in the US government supported the publication of the PAL system because they considered Pakistan's arsenal as the world's most vulnerable to abuse by terrorist groups.

In November 2007, The New York Times revealed that the US had invested $100 million since 2001 in a secret program to protect Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. Instead of transferring PAL technology, the US provided helicopters, night vision and nuclear detection devices, as well as training to Pakistani personnel in order to prevent the theft or misuse of Pakistan's nuclear material, warheads, and laboratories.[28] According to the Pentagon officials and the U.S. military accounts, Pakistan believed to develop and code its own version of the PAL technology, and they believe to be Pakistan's nuclear arsenals to be well secured.

Permissive action link - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Defc0n]

DAMN . So this likely means the US has boots on the ground securing their nukes sites. Makes me feel much better ngl.

Let's be real highly likely they store nukes across multiple sites. And I just recently learned it's probable US controls them so if we move to destroy them it may cause US casualties.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921496979537879144

 

[Lolwa]

Ah, perhaps you could send the fighter jets to venture into the territory of the HQ-9 missile. To prove the effectiveness of China's anti-aircraft missiles.

You literally lost an hq-9

 

[Optimist]

my doubt is :

If the PAF’s mighty F-16s with their AIM-120s and J-10s with PL-15s can supposedly shoot down IAF jets like Rafales at will, then why are they sitting ducks when IAF jets come knocking on their airbases with air-to-surface missiles? According to the PAF’s cheerleaders in Western media, they’ve shot down 5 Rafales. If their claims held any water, IAF jets should be fleeing in terror at the sight of a PAF fighter. So why is the PAF watching helplessly as the IAF turns their bases into a fireworks display?

Remind me again on how many aircraft the Rafale shot down? They don't have a good 'loss exchange ratio' at this stage.
After the loss, are they even in the air, or are they hiding in hangars?

 

[Lolwa]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921280098122023196

A bit suspect but the claimed worrying intelligence from USA, could it actually have be this. Given the graphs of nuclear tests vary from seismic activity

We might have actually done a sympathetic nuclear detonation when we attempted bombing their nuclear storage facilities. That's why Trump/Vance/Rubio freaked out.

Remind me again on how many aircraft the Rafale shot down? They don't have a good 'loss exchange ratio' at this stage.
After the loss, are they even in the air, or are they hiding in hangars?

The rafales weren't doing any BVR missions. Their mission set was A2G mission which they did by successfully striking 9 terrorist camps. The su-30 and mig-29's were doing the air defence role. The Pakistanis literally started spamming pl-15's in desperation across the LOC and International border.

 

[vvabhiram]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921495683481419871

 

[Lolwa]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921496979537879144

So the sympathetic nuclear detonation might be true. We might have destroyed a small amount of Pakistani nukes. Lmao I hope this theory comes out to be true.

 

[RationalGuy]

So the sympathetic nuclear detonation might be true. We might have destroyed a small amount of Pakistani nukes. Lmao I hope this theory comes out to be true.

Sympathetic nuclear detonation?

 

[Optimist]

The rafales weren't doing any BVR missions. Their mission set was A2G mission which they did by successfully striking 9 terrorist camps. The su-30 and mig-29's were doing the air defence role. The Pakistanis literally started spamming pl-15's in desperation across the LOC and International border.

Are you saying they didn't have A2A missiles? I remember the French guys here saying..They had superior A2A missiles. The mighty rafale is Omnirole, doing all missions at once, with Spectra, active stealth and low RCS, almost invisible. Better than a F-35.

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921467371803361441

Earlier I was not like this guy,but I believe he would have done the things the way we all like to see.

 

[Lolwa]

Are you saying they didn't have A2A missiles? I remember the French guys here saying..They had superior A2A missiles. The mighty rafale is Omnirole, doing all missions at once, with Spectra and active stealth and low RCS, almost invisible.

They were armed with micas. Not meteors. The mission profile was different. The pl-15 is a good missile that is not up for discussion. They did push our airforce back since they spammed 20+ missiles across the entire airspace.
Spectra might be not as effective as initially thought. Most members understood that except for a few french members and other few members who claim that the rafale is end all and be all for combat jets.
The theory is that it was the Saab erieyes that actually detected the rafales and the j-10 was in passive mode and it was the erieye that locked on the Rafales. So my initial thought that the j-10 and jf-17 can't be datalinked with western aircraft was wrong. They infact have somehow datalinked the Saab erieyes to the pl-15 and j-10's. That's why rafale might not have realised the lock on. On top of that it was in A2G configuration so it had further disadvantages in maneuverability.

So in effect it was a western aircraft against a western aircraft with a chinese missile with an aesa seeker. Also claims are from Pakistani side that they do use non-export variants of the pl-15 which also adds into the confusion.

 

[Hydra]

Are you saying they didn't have A2A missiles? I remember the French guys here saying..They had superior A2A missiles. The mighty rafale is Omnirole, doing all missions at once, with Spectra, active stealth and low RCS, almost invisible. Better than a F-35.

What we need is a modern air superiority fighter,not an omni role aircraft to do that job. MKI is good,but not sufficient for modern battle field.

 

[Asterion Moloc]

They were armed with micas. Not meteors. The mission profile was different. The pl-15 is a good missile that is not up for discussion. They did push our airforce back since they spammed 20+ missiles across the entire airspace.
Spectra might be not as effective as initially thought. Most members understood that except for a few french members and other few members who claim that the rafale is end all and be all for combat jets.
The theory is that it was the Saab erieyes that actually detected the rafales and the j-10 was in passive mode and it was the erieye that locked on the Rafales. So my initial thought that the j-10 and jf-17 can't be datalinked with western aircraft was wrong. They infact have somehow datalinked the Saab erieyes to the pl-15 and j-10's. That's why rafale might not have realised the lock on. On top of that it was in A2G configuration so it had further disadvantages in maneuverability.

So in effect it was a western aircraft against a western aircraft with a chinese missile with an aesa seeker. Also claims are from Pakistani side that they do use non-export variants of the pl-15 which also adds into the confusion.

So many things might have happened, even pilot error as said by french rafale-m pilot, about tunnel vission when you have a defined target given etc. It is waste of time now to argue until we know more details. But what we did know is that after that PAF did not acheive air supremacy it wanted. Our aircraft were taking off and lobbing missiles just fine and even scored hits.

Meanwhile army released this info:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921516351354507650

 

[Optimist]

They were armed with micas. Not meteors. The mission profile was different. The pl-15 is a good missile that is not up for discussion. They did push our airforce back since they spammed 20+ missiles across the entire airspace.
Spectra might be not as effective as initially thought. Most members understood that except for a few french members and other few members who claim that the rafale is end all and be all for combat jets.
The theory is that it was the Saab erieyes that actually detected the rafales and the j-10 was in passive mode and it was the erieye that locked on the Rafales. So my initial thought that the j-10 and jf-17 can't be datalinked with western aircraft was wrong. They infact have somehow datalinked the Saab erieyes to the pl-15 and j-10's. That's why rafale might not have realised the lock on. On top of that it was in A2G configuration so it had further disadvantages in maneuverability.

So in effect it was a western aircraft against a western aircraft with a chinese missile with an aesa seeker. Also claims are from Pakistani side that they do use non-export variants of the pl-15 which also adds into the confusion.

Are you sure there weren't meteors on the top cover aircraft? If not, why not? Were there holes in the total mission planning?
This air battle will be studied across the world, as more facts come out.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I am more worried about , now they know what military capabilities India has. China will bring change into it's systems. I hope India renews everything which remains exposed. After this I am sure capital for R&D will flow in.

Hats off to our anti air defence capabilities! These need to be strengthened now two level up.

It is now clear we can do decent R&D I guess. SAAW, Akash, Netra, Brahmos....a dozen other products. Now we know we can do good work. Important to increase that role.