Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

By the end of this decade we'll have plenty of AEW&C. Don't worry.

May be on our won platform. Airbus made in India at Vadodara Facility.

The solution to 2.5 front war lies in finishing off Pakistan. If we take out Pakistan, China will not have anyone to trouble us and Muslims of the subcontinent especially India will no longer be able to create the problems which they regularly do.

out of 2.5 front, desi 0.5 front seems to be silenced. Pak is reduced to Half front. So effectively, 1.5 front left.
 
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We always goes behind pak with half heart, in 1971 we didn't capture pok, in 1999 our actions were confined only in kargil, now when we have the upper edge we just touch only 20% (asper media report) their capability of PAF. PA & PN in unscratched in this combat, atleast India should have send PN vessels to the abyss.

It seems, our leaders have signed some secret arrangement with the Britishers which is still valid for some more years.

China brought in revolution and that suspended all contracts, bilateral arrangements with Britishers, so did Pakistan as well due to military rule. Modi has suspended IWT and it seems soon we are going to make all Trilateral arrangements with Britishers and bilateral arrangements null and void.

The 0.5 front includes those arrangements.
 
Shortcomings must be addressed mate. Otherwise we are no better than Pakistanis chest thumping and claiming victory right now.

Anyway, my question is what is India's answer to Pak possibly getting the J35 in say 5yrs time? No doubt they will expedite their plans to acquire these jets in order to come back in a few years with a face saving. China has vested interest beyond geopolitical maneuvering now as their ISR assets were hit during Op Sindoor.

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Look, when I used to praise MKIs some time back, some people here(@Hydra et al) used to get offended. But I always maintained MKI as our premier Air-Dominance fighter(even above Rafale) and if you read @vstol Jockey's report about the latest OP you'll know that my viewpoint has been vindicated. Now why am I talking about MKI when you asked how to counter PAF's J-35s, right?

Because IAF believes that with MKI UPG. they can take down J-20 & J-35 both. I have said that before here but no one believed me cause the Americans have told us how 4th gen die when they meet 5th gen, correct?

But that's what IAF believes in. They believe that with AI-enabled algorithms of both Virupaksha and our Long Range Dual Band IRST along with complete AI enabled sensor fusion of Anidra & Yodha, MKI can get first shot on J-35 despite its own larger RCS. As per IAF these 5th gen jets are only VLO from the frontal aspect and not from other aspects. IAF believes that only tailless planes like B-2 etc. are full-on all-aspect stealth. You may take it or leave it as a fable or truth as per your discretion. But I stand by everything I just wrote.

Now onto plan B: Su-57 with Indian avionics. Backdoor talks are on about this jet and the moment first J-35 lands in PAF, we'll immediately order it. IAF has evaluated Su-57 at this year's Aero India and are impressed with it.

Why not F-35 you may ask? Cause the current American administration has shot itself in foot by threatening India via trade deal. One thing India & Modi hate is a threat. So F-35 is out along with all high-end American weapons from our market for good. That leaves Su-57 as our only 5th gen option within this decade to take on both PAF & PLAAF.
 
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Look, when I used to praise MKIs some time back, some people here(@Hydra et al) used to get offended. But I always maintained MKI as our premier Air-Dominance fighter(even above Rafale) and if you read @vstol Jockey's report about the latest OP you'll know that my viewpoint has been vindicated. Now why am I talking about MKI when you asked how to counter PAF's J-35s, right?

Because IAF believes that with MKI UPG. they can take down J-20 & J-35 both. I have said that before here but no one believed me cause the Americans have told us how 4th gen die when they meet 5th gen, correct?

But that's what IAF believes in. They believe that with AI-enabled algorithms of both Virupaksha and our Long Range Dual Band IRST along with complete AI enabled sensor fusion of Anidra & Yodha, MKI can get first shot on J-35 despite its own larger RCS. As per IAF these 5th gen jets are only VLO from the frontal aspect and not from other aspects. IAF believes that only tailless planes like B-2 etc. are full-on all-aspect stealth. You may take it or leave it as a fable or truth as per your discretion. But I stand by everything I just wrote.

Now onto plan B: Su-57 with Indian avionics. Backdoor talks are on about this jet and the moment first J-35 lands in PAF, we'll immediately order it. IAF has evaluated Su-57 at this year's Aero India and are impressed with it.

Why not F-35 you may ask? Cause the current American administration has shot itself in foot by threatening India via trade deal. One thing India & Modi hate is a threat. So F-35 is out along with all high-end American weapons from our market for good. That leaves Su-57 as our only 5th gen option within this decade to take on both PAF & PLAAF.
It's all about who see other first from now own & No SU 30 upgrade won't save it against half VLO Aircraft or full VLO Aircraft..... It will be a good bomb truck carrying heavy payloads for long range engagement & that's it..... SU 57 is a s**t period.... no matter how much Fanboys like to sell it's sub par capabilities as next big thing. It's the same old Rafale better than F 35 churan being sold since 2019.
 
Because IAF believes that with MKI UPG. they can take down J-20 & J-35 both

MKI UPG will be one of the platforms to launch an offensive against the J20's and J35s but tracking and target acquisition of a stealth target is a multi spectral process.

That leaves Su-57 as our only 5th gen option within this decade to take on both PAF & PLAAF.

It is also for a fact that Russians are open to suggestions and modification in their systems where as other platform manufacturers don't like that much. If IAF wants to add it's indigenous system in it then it will be possible for them.
 
I have no intention of arguing.
My opinion is that when we discuss this issue, how many missiles Pakistan launched? India launched obviously more than Pakistan.
How many air defense systems does Pakistan have? According to public information, there are six HQ16s and two HQ9s, which are not enough to cover all important targets. According to Pakistan, India launched about 100 BrahMos and the same number of Storm Shadows.
Pakistan's problem is that it bought too many Saab AWACS,
You have no way to command the air defense system to conduct a unified interception operation through early warning aircraft
Pakistan lacks the depth of China's air defenses.
Without early warning, the interception window of air defense missiles is very short

Pakistan fired 30 missile of Jaisalmer only. All of them shot down.
 
It's all about who see other first from now own & No SU 30 upgrade won't save it against half VLO Aircraft or full VLO Aircraft..... It will be a good bomb truck carrying heavy payloads for long range engagement & that's it..... SU 57 is a s**t period.... no matter how much Fanboys like to sell it's sub par capabilities as next big thing. It's the same old Rafale better than F 35 churan being sold since 2019.
The real combat is not like that a single MKI UPG. is sent to intercept a single J-35 and J-35 sees MKI first and shoots first. Real combat isn't like that. It's a package vs package thing. So while one MKI UPG. lights up on J-35's radar, there would be another MKI from another vector doing high PRF in LPI mode from another vector. J-35 with those twin-tails won't be VLO from all-aspects so the data would then get passed to the lead MKI UPG. which now uses cued search from his IRST & GaN AESA radar based upon uplinked data from a friendly. Result: MKI UPG. sees the supposed unseen and destroys it.

This is just one scenario that I gave you. Talking about bomb-truck, well! In this latest conflict, it's was MKI with BrahMos-A that brought Pak down to its knees in total 'shock & awe' fashion. But as all OSINT reports have said, MKI was also our MVP of aerial combat. Yes, it's that damn good.

Regarding Su-57, it's an aweome jet and the world will find it soon.
 
Akash sales are going to go THROUGH THE ROOF

But apparently even the older ones like the Pechoras did a great job. All that money we spent from decades ago proving their returns.

We have 3 variants of Akash. Aksha MK1, Akash Prime with seeker and Akash NG. We can sale them in large numbers to many countries including developed countries. Even Astra Mk1 and Astra MK II will find many takers. Super Sukhoi program is will also find many customers like Armenia.
 
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MKI UPG will be one of the platforms to launch an offensive against the J20's and J35s but tracking and target acquisition of a stealth target is a multi spectral process.
Virupaksha will have in-built AI algorithms to merge data from other Virupaksha in the package and from other friendly stuff. Our IRST is going to be the same. It's going to be a team-work but that's how air-combat has always been.
It is also for a fact that Russians are open to suggestions and modification in their systems where as other platform manufacturers don't like that much. If IAF wants to add it's indigenous system in it then it will be possible for them.
Finally someone gets it👏👏. Bingo. That's the big deal. If we can't integrate any 5th gen with our IACCS & AFNET, can't enhance its software timely or integrate our indigenous weapons at will then it's of no use. Anyways, let's wait for IAF official decision.
 
Have one question, When we finally start producing Mk2 and when integrated with virupaksha/uttam radar and gandiva, will it be consider better than the Rafale?

I know purely from cost standpoint Tejas is better because it will be const around 1/4 or 1/3 of a Rafale.
But If we consider the overall scenario i.e radar, armaments, rcs, hud, avionics etc which would be better?

Main problem seems to be that it is very costly to integrate or armaments into Rafale because lack of source code and overcharging by Dassault.
 
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