The JF 17 is a Very low cost plane
Do you really think that The Chinese will give all the Top Quality Avionics for such a Low price
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The JF 17 is a Very low cost plane
Do you really think that The Chinese will give all the Top Quality Avionics for such a Low price
Ofcourse not, but it appears to be a multirole combat aircraft that can carry out AA, AG & AS missions and it may also have a good turn over time if this video in the bottom is to be believed. It may not be as capable as f 16 but it could be somewhat close to LCA. Also, this plane is much cheaper compared to our LCA.
JF 17 is a Hangar Queen
They have made 100 Planes but the Total Flying hours till date is quite less
That means that the plane needs heavy maintenance
The Quality of Avionics that The PAF will get is directly related to Price paid
Add to it the smoky RD 93 engine
JF17 does not have Fly-by-wire. The FBW and avionics is written in C language, not in ADA language. Parts of avionics, EW systems, radars are direct import from China without indigenous manufacture. Pakistan does not have semiconductor manufacture, has poor IT industry to modify the source codes (that is why the codes are in C language instead of ADA), does not have engine or radar project.
This plane is not close to LCA, even MK1A model. The superior maneuverability provided with better FBW and advanced technology of EW and sensors make LCA far better.
So Myanmar has received 6 FC-1. Its all linked to China's BRI, they could ask for a production line like PAC from China.
There will be follow up orders in near future and they might settle for 8-12 Thunders.
Nigeria's neighbors dont have strong airforces so they are not in a hurry to expand or modernise the fleet.
Are we really to assume that China would install its state of the art AESA on JF -17?
No, but a version of it. AESA for the block 3 is confirmed, the question is only, how capable it will be?
Yes, it's part of the Block III upgrade.
According to what they've advertised, it's not all that awesome compared to contemporary Western AESAs. It's air cooled and has a range of 170Km against a 3m2 target. It's okay, obviously way better than all other airborne mechanical radars. It sits between the Bars Mk1 and Bars Mk2 in terms of range performance, so it's quite competitive there. It's barely equivalent to the F-16 Block 60's old APG-80. The Su-35's Irbis-E outranges it by 2.5 times.
The number of targets tracked is woefully short of what an AESA of its class should be able to do. It can track only 15 targets, which is no different from what the Bars Mk1 already does.
In the Indian context, it exceeds the range capabilities of the LCA Mk1, Mig-29, M2000 and most of the MKIs. Mk1A, Super MKI and Rafale's radars will slaughter this radar.
When is the JF-17 expected to get the Block III upgrade package? What're the other salient features of this upgrade and how will our front line AC compare against it?
Pretty much the same time the Mk1A will be inducted.
We don't know much about the Block 3 upgrade yet, with the exception of the AESA radar.
Our neighbours like to hype up the JF-17, but I wouldn't worry about it too much. The older versions are not even up to the level of an F-16 Block 52, and even the IAF considers that an obsolete aircraft.
And this kind of thinking, is the best that can happen for PAF.
JF17 is not an advanced fighter, but a game changer for PAF!
It offers better systems, weapons and capabilities than their F16s, because the US restricted the approval for all techs and weapons, that other F16 customers got.
JF17 is also compatible to PAFs force multipliers (AWACS and tankers), F16s are not. That makes PAF a modern net centric air force and the more they improve their capabilities with net linked air defences and now also MALE drones, the more capable they get.
All this would not be possible, if they remained with the US and F16s. Moving to watch China (and now also Turkey), will change things completely and that poses a major threat to India!
Not really. Even they admit they don't have high end aircraft.
A game changer for someone else is irrelevant to us. Don't get suckered into their propaganda. Let them continue lying to themselves.
We have technological superiority over PLAAF even today. So why do you think any of their export grade hand-me-downs to Pakistan is a threat to us?
Only if you have no idea about modern air combat.
PAF in 1999 had no BVR and guided strike capability and was completely inferior to IAF in air combat capability.
Today they have both, added SEAD and stand off strike weapons, are guided by AWACS and can extend range and endurance of operations through IFR.
For the future they already are procureing modern drones and are planing with stealth fighters as the high end, to their cost-effective JF17 base.
That puts them on par with IAFs capabilities today, in some areas even ahead and if we don't get Su 57, it's even likely that we wI'll lose in the 5th gen race to them too, not only to China.
But yes, that's irrelevant to us.
Just because someone has the same stuff we have doesn't mean they all work at the same level.
Their BVR capability is inferior, their SEAD and SOW capability are inferior, their recce capability is inferior, their EW capability is inferior, their training is inferior, their logistics is inferior, their numbers are inferior, their budget is inferior... The list goes on.
All they have going on for them right now is propaganda, and even this is only in the domestic sphere. Internationally, everybody is fed up of their lies.
And even their propaganda is at the level where they can't admit they were at the receiving end of the 2016 surgical strikes. They can't even hope to control their domestic audience today without blatant disinformation.
Let's see if they can afford all their plans, shall we? Even if they do afford it, all that I said above still apply.
The IAF have reached a point where the PAF will never be ahead of the IAF in any sphere.
PLAAF's future potential is brilliant, but we have been doing a good job staying ahead with our imports.
I would start worrying about the PLAAF the day their aerospace technology has caught up with their bad geography.
But yes, that's irrelevant to us.
No point exaggerating capabilities. Let the PAF match the PLAAF in terms of technology first.