Pakistan Army Casualty tracker : Updates & Discussions

Volcano said:
No 356: Name unknown.Date October 8. Location of death LOC tattapani region,killed by IA. One more soldier injured, his name is Zahid Ali

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Congratulations to all ghazis and shaheeds for attaining martyrdom and best of luck for luxurious afterlife in Jannah. They deserved it I guess
Volcano said:
No 359: Akmal Pakistan army, killed in South Waziristan by TTP, October 9-10
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Looks like op azbe gazab failed to flush out Pashtuns from waziristan.
What’s next? Leasing it to chyna to develop it like Riyasat e Xinxiang(East Turkestan) ?
 
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AbRaj said:
Congratulations to all ghazis and shaheeds for attaining martyrdom and best of luck for luxurious afterlife in Jannah. They deserved it I guess

Looks like op azbe gazab failed to flush out Pashtuns from waziristan.
What’s next? Leasing it to chyna to develop it like Riyasat e Xinxiang(East Turkestan) ?
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Military operation seemed successful because Pakistan army ordered all civilians out of the region. Insurgency cannot continue if there is no civilians Around. 3 million Pashtun civilians become refugees. Now refugees are back and militants also returned from Afghanistan and other cities, re-established networks and started killing Pakistani soldiers again.
 
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Volcano said:
Military operation seemed successful because Pakistan army ordered all civilians out of the region. Insurgency cannot continue if there is no civilians Around. 3 million Pashtun civilians become refugees. Now refugees are back and militants also returned from Afghanistan and other cities, re-established networks and started killing Pakistani soldiers again.
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So another operation with civilians included this time ?
That would be nice
 
Volcano said:
No 360: Unnamed soldier killed in South Waziristan, October 10, TTP attack on shawal valley checkpost.

I am going to make an assumption that quoted soldier Akmal is the second killed soldier. Name of the other soldier is not yet found. 4 more soldiers injured in this attack.

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Second soldier could be "Ahmed mumtaz", killed in Waziristan on October 10. This M Ahsan guy is a soldier himself and his friend.
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AbRaj said:
So another operation with civilians included this time ?
That would be nice
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They already started it in low level. Few weeks back, PA ordered out an entire village near an IED blast site and randomly selected, tortured and then shot 6 Pashtun youth. Pashtuns are not going to be very happy
 
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Volcano said:
Second soldier could be "Ahmed mumtaz", killed in Waziristan on October 10. This M Ahsan guy is a soldier himself and his friend.
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They already started it in low level. Few weeks back, PA ordered out an entire village near an IED blast site and randomly selected, tortured and then shot 6 Pashtun youth. Pashtuns are not going to be very happy
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Good, Terrorist Pashtuns of waziristan deserved it I guess.
 
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Last Year Asif Ghafoor had clearly said this

" Whether Our Casualties are 20000 or 25 Thousand , they are all for Islam "

This is Pakistan's strength ie They absorb casualties without any fuss
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Last Year Asif Ghafoor had clearly said this

" Whether Our Casualties are 20000 or 25 Thousand , they are all for Islam "

This is Pakistan's strength ie They absorb casualties without any fuss
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They absorb casualties by hiding it. Just make it public and see the reaction. Most Pakistanis, even the educated one's think casualties are less than 100 an year.

Real casualties are way higher than even this list we compiled. Pakistani military law allow them to bury troops inside military cantonment in secrecy
 
Volcano said:
They absorb casualties by hiding it. Just make it public and see the reaction. Most Pakistanis, even the educated one's think casualties are less than 100 an year.

Real casualties are way higher than even this list we compiled. Pakistani military law allow them to bury troops inside military cantonment in secrecy
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Casualties are absorbed by the people
The Society and the Nation -- of which the Military is a part

Since 9 / 11 USA has had more Than 1 MILLION injured soldiers

In addition to 10 Thousand deaths

But in India after Pulwama , opposition Politicians were saying , Why No soldier died from Gujarat

This is our weakness -- Our Opposition parties

Tomorrow if War breaks out with China , the same thing will happen

That us why Modi cannot rush into War with China
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Casualties are absorbed by the people
The Society and the Nation -- of which the Military is a part

Since 9 / 11 USA has had more Than 1 MILLION injured soldiers

In addition to 10 Thousand deaths

But in India after Pulwama , opposition Politicians were saying , Why No soldier died from Gujarat

This is our weakness -- Our Opposition parties

Tomorrow if War breaks out with China , the same thing will happen

That us why Modi cannot rush into War with China
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Casualties are absorbed by information control. When Pakistani Casualty happen, it won't make it to national media 90% of time. In India every single Casualty is widly covered in national news. They will do a debate hour and bring some third class politicians to debate to comment.



Same in US, there was no daily coverage of Casualty each by name in US national media during war on terror. Only local Media networks did coverage.


Indian Media on the other hand survive on sensationalism. India had the ability to absorb casualties in large numbers before privet media sensationalism began. Just look at how much casualties we took in 2000-2 era in Kashmir and compare that with now.

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Volcano said:
Casualties are absorbed by information control. When Pakistani Casualty happen, it won't make it to national media 90% of time. In India every single Casualty is widly covered in national news. They will do a debate hour and bring some third class politicians to debate to comment.



Same in US, there was no daily coverage of Casualty each by name in US national media during war on terror. Only local Media networks did coverage.


Indian Media on the other hand survive on sensationalism. India had the ability to absorb casualties in large numbers before privet media sensationalism began. Just look at how much casualties we took in 2000-2 era in Kashmir and compare that with now.

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I have a different perspective on this. Even if the PA did declare all their casualties, it wouldn't make a difference to the general population. The reason being the PA has a well oiled information warfare network which can spin this into a jihad. Civic awareness, anti war sentiments, anti PA sentiments , etc which aren't well organised to begin with nor carry much heft within the civil society of Paxtan, will stand no chance against the state narrative of Jihad fi sabil'illah & nazariya e Paxtan.

The principal reason why the PA isn't going public is to less to do with protecting their aura of invincibility among the general population & more to do with their concerns of how the ordinary serving PA jawan may react.

Like us, the PA definitely faces an issue with obsolete arms, lack of self protective equipment, platforms, etc due to severe financial constraints, except that it's much more worse than what the IA faces plus the fact that they're facing running Insurgencies or unrest within every province of their nation.

Having said that, I also believe they haven't fully factored in the impact that micro blogging sites like Twitter & social media like FB has on free flow of information or if they have , they've certainly been unable to counter it.
 
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