Already had a chinese CM400AKG with Air Force...... This will be another with the Navy..Underestimated and mocked Brahmos for its entire existence, ended up buying its cheap Chinese clone.
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That's not even a real supersonic missile. Used by ISPR to feed gullible fanboys. Just like Ababeel.
What?That's not even a real supersonic missile. Used by ISPR to feed gullible fanboys. Just like Ababeel.
On enlighten me?
Its supersonic just in the terminal phase. It's an obsolete concept. Sea skimming or terrain hugging missiles would kick its *censored* any day.
Russian's Kh-22 / Kh-15 and Americans AGM-69 are its comparables. All retired.
How can a less than a ton missile with 200km+ range go full supersonic and Sea skimming like Brahmos? Its common sense.
The HQ-16C is not up for exports yet. HQ-16C is expected to be used on the Type 054B first.
I wouldn't be overly worried about the YJ-12. We operate its older cousin through the air-launched KH-31 family, and it has plenty of weaknesses. It's no Brahmos. Even the Russians have not bothered with a surface launched KH-31 design because of the Oniks. And we have the means to stop both missiles while Pakistan doesn't.
The first 3 Talwars will finish undergoing MLU in a few years. But yes, the remaining 3 Talwars and Shivaliks are under threat from the YJ-12. But they should undergo MLU between 2025-30. So it's not really worrying. We were under much more significant threat from the Harpoon for many decades until the Barak-1 and Shtil-1 were pressed into service.
Apart from the fact that we have more than enough significantly more advanced ships, the main threat to the Pakistani ships will come from fighter jets. The PN has to cross a practically insurmountable hurdle from the Jaguar, MKI, Mig-29K and Jaguar before our ships come under threat.
I haven't checked but I think the stated weight of YJ-12 is far more than 1 ton.Its supersonic just in the terminal phase. It's an obsolete concept. Sea skimming or terrain hugging missiles would kick its *censored* any day.
Russian's Kh-22 / Kh-15 and Americans AGM-69 are its comparables. All retired.
How can a less than a ton missile with 200km+ range go full supersonic and Sea skimming like Brahmos? Its common sense.
The CM400AKG is less than a ton.
He's talking about AKG.
YJ-12 weighs as much as BrahMos, but its based on the older Kh-31 propulsion concept from 80s, which was superseded by Yakhont/Onyx concept by the 90s/early 2000s (which is what BrahMos is based on). The Kh-31 is overall a more draggy & less stealthy design because it doesn't have the linear Ramjet inlet that BrahMos/Yakhont has.
Not a surprise then that the YJ-12 (even the non-export Chinese variant) is unable to reach the ~600km ranges possible with MTCR-unlocked BrahMos. It's just not the most efficient design.
If you wanted a true BrahMos competitor, you should have bought the new CX-1, which is an exact Chinese copy of Yakhont/BrahMos:
CM400AKG is not a cruise missile. It's a solid-fuel rocket. Calling that a competitor to BrahMos is like saying the Shaurya is a competitor to the X-51 Waverider.
Thing is you can't throttle a solid fuel rocket. Meaning you cannot control the thrust to assist with maneuvering. Not a surprise then that both US and Soviets (even Chinese) ditched such missiles a long time ago due to their inability to maneuver and resulting poor accuracy. They were simply not an effective way to take out ships which are moving targets.
Even when such missiles were in use, they were meant to be launched in scores of several dozens (25-50) launched by a wave of bombers in order to have a respectable effect against carrier groups. Carrying 2 of such examples on a fighter (and maybe a maximum of 4-6 fighters) just doesn't get results.
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State-of-the-art Pakistan Navy survey ship unveiled in China
ISLAMABAD: A state-of-the-art 3,000 tonne survey ship prepared by Pakistan Navy was unveiled in China’s Yang Zong where it was put afloat in River Yangtze.
It is the most advanced survey ship made by Pakistan Navy which will enhance the scope of marine research in the country.
The vessel was made with the joint cooperation of Pakistan and China.
The survey ship will also provide services related to operations of water search and locating positions.
Addressing the ceremony, Chief Naval Overseas Commodore Asaf Humayun, who was the special guest for the ceremony, said the new survey ship even in uncommon conditions has the additional capability of carrying out operations.
He also said that the ship also carries the most advanced survey equipment which adds to the abilities of the Pakistan Navy to carry out a geographical survey.
The special guest commended the Best Way group and Dogen Shipyard and those people associated with the project for completing the important milestone of launching the project on time.
ISLAMABAD: A state-of-the-art 3,000 tonne survey ship prepared by Pakistan Navy was unveiled in China’s Yang Zong where it was put afloat in River Yangtze.
It is the most advanced survey ship made by Pakistan Navy which will enhance the scope of marine research in the country.
The vessel was made with the joint cooperation of Pakistan and China.
The survey ship will also provide services related to operations of water search and locating positions.
Addressing the ceremony, Chief Naval Overseas Commodore Asaf Humayun, who was the special guest for the ceremony, said the new survey ship even in uncommon conditions has the additional capability of carrying out operations.
He also said that the ship also carries the most advanced survey equipment which adds to the abilities of the Pakistan Navy to carry out a geographical survey.
The special guest commended the Best Way group and Dogen Shipyard and those people associated with the project for completing the important milestone of launching the project on time.
Pakistan acquires cutting-edge anti-submarine equipment from China to detect Indian nuclear submarines
From overseas data, SLTA should be the result of the transfer of technology by relevant Chinese units. This sonar will be equipped with the introduction of the Hango-class AIP submarine and the Type 054A frigate from the Pakistan Navy. It may be extended to existing F22P in the future. Surface ships, to enhance the Pakistani navy's ability to counter modern and quiet submarines, especially advanced nuclear submarines such as the AK class. The Pakistan Navy should be the first navy to acquire such a sophisticated anti-submarine system in China. Pakistan is also the first to obtain permission. Country of production.
Domestic towed line arrays have adopted fiber optic hydrophones
The relevant Chinese authorities have approved the domestically produced new generation of active/passive towed line sonars. According to relevant information, the new generation of domestic masters/ The passive towed line sonar uses a fiber optic hydrophone, which has higher sensitivity and stronger detection capability. In addition to the name SLTA, it seems to use a thin line array. The thin line array can sense lower frequency noise and deal with quietness. The submarine is more capable. The US attacking nuclear submarine is equipped with a thick and thin towline array. It is especially important that the Chinese side also issued production licenses to Pakistan. Pakistan can obtain the authorization to produce such sonars.
From overseas data, SLTA should be the result of the transfer of technology by relevant Chinese units. This sonar will be equipped with the introduction of the Hango-class AIP submarine and the Type 054A frigate from the Pakistan Navy. It may be extended to existing F22P in the future. Surface ships, to enhance the Pakistani navy's ability to counter modern and quiet submarines, especially advanced nuclear submarines such as the AK class. The Pakistan Navy should be the first navy to acquire such a sophisticated anti-submarine system in China. Pakistan is also the first to obtain permission. Country of production.
Domestic towed line arrays have adopted fiber optic hydrophones
The relevant Chinese authorities have approved the domestically produced new generation of active/passive towed line sonars. According to relevant information, the new generation of domestic masters/ The passive towed line sonar uses a fiber optic hydrophone, which has higher sensitivity and stronger detection capability. In addition to the name SLTA, it seems to use a thin line array. The thin line array can sense lower frequency noise and deal with quietness. The submarine is more capable. The US attacking nuclear submarine is equipped with a thick and thin towline array. It is especially important that the Chinese side also issued production licenses to Pakistan. Pakistan can obtain the authorization to produce such sonars.
Pakistan’s Navy Test Fires Indigenous Anti-Ship/Land-Attack Cruise Missile
While not specified by ISPR, the surface combatant used for the test launch appears to have been an Azmat-class fast attack craft, three of which are currently in service with the Navy.
ISPR did not reveal the missile type tested on the April 23. The missile fired in today’s test could either be the Harba anti-ship and land-attack cruise missile (LACM/ASCM), which was last test fired in January 2018, or a sea-launched version of the Babur 1B LACM/ASCM. (A third possibility is a sea-launched variant of the Zarb land-based ASCM system.) The existence of the Harba LACM/ASCM was fired revealed in 2017. It is thought to be a long-range sea-skimming cruise missile with an estimated range of 450 km+. There is speculation that the missile is a derivative of the Babur missile series.
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Pakistan test-fires Harba anti-ship cruise missile
Zarb cruise missile boosts Coastal Defence - Asian Military Review
Type 054A/P will also be armed with Harba ASCM. At present, PNS Himmat and the 4th FAC will have these.
#Pakistan navy tests indigenous cruise missile with with Anti-Ship & Land Attack capabilities (looks like Harba ASCM) from a missile boat. Potential range could be 450-700 Km considering it looks like a sea variant of Babur series. pic.twitter.com/NhEUpdtOVq
— Asfandyar Bhittani🇵🇰 (@AsfandBhittani) April 23, 2019
While not specified by ISPR, the surface combatant used for the test launch appears to have been an Azmat-class fast attack craft, three of which are currently in service with the Navy.
ISPR did not reveal the missile type tested on the April 23. The missile fired in today’s test could either be the Harba anti-ship and land-attack cruise missile (LACM/ASCM), which was last test fired in January 2018, or a sea-launched version of the Babur 1B LACM/ASCM. (A third possibility is a sea-launched variant of the Zarb land-based ASCM system.) The existence of the Harba LACM/ASCM was fired revealed in 2017. It is thought to be a long-range sea-skimming cruise missile with an estimated range of 450 km+. There is speculation that the missile is a derivative of the Babur missile series.
Details:
Pakistan test-fires Harba anti-ship cruise missile
Zarb cruise missile boosts Coastal Defence - Asian Military Review
Type 054A/P will also be armed with Harba ASCM. At present, PNS Himmat and the 4th FAC will have these.
Missile hit the empty unmarked ground, they can't afford some old scrap truck/tank or the last part is computer generated after missile missed the target?
Not to underestimate hostiles , but P....... don't even have decent wind tunnel facilities forget about adequate R&D base to come up with indigenous missiles , as usual I am guessing it is a repainted Chinese missile.
Variation of Amitabh dialogue..."Target wahi hoga, jahan missile girta hai"
Correction, the target was there, missile missed it. See the pics
Also is this same missile that was launched? Absence of fins and even color look different.
Damen launched the first corvette ordered by the Pakistan Navy on May 17 at the Galati facilities. Pakistan Navy ordered the two corvettes in 2017. The first ship is expected to join the PN Fleet by end of this year and the second would be delivered by mid-2020.
STEEL CUT FOR PAKISTAN NAVY’S FIRST MILGEM CORVETTE
On 29 September, the Istanbul Shipyard held the steel-cutting ceremony of the Pakistan Navy’s (PN) first MILGEM corvette. The Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan presided over the event alongside various government, naval and industry officials from Turkey and Pakistan.
The PN currently has four MILGEM corvettes on order, with all four ships due for delivery to the PN by 2023-2024. Construction of the first ship will last 54 months, but the remaining three ships will follow the first in quicker succession, i.e., at six month intervals of one another (ASFAT A.S).
Under the contract, which was signed in 2018, two of the ships will be built in Turkey, while the remaining two in Pakistan. Pakistan will also receive “complete transfer of technology and the transfer of intellectual property rights for the design of these ships.”
The fourth ship was to be a new frigate class (i.e., Jinnah-class) jointly designed by the primary contractor, ASFAT A.S. (Military Factories and Shipyards Management Inc), and Pakistan’s Maritime Technologies Complex (MTC). However, it appears that the new frigate design will apply to all four ships.
During AMAN-19, the Pakistan Navy’s biennial multi-national exercise, the PN Chief of Naval Staff (CNS), Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, reportedly outlined that the PN’s MILGEMs will be equipped with the Chinese HQ-16 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system through a 16-cell vertical launch system (VLS).
The VLS will be installed at the fore of the ship, behind the main gun. In addition, the PN’s MILGEMs will deploy a modified version of the GENESIS combat management system (CMS).
The PN MILGEMs will also deploy an “indigenously developed missile system,” which could be the Harba subsonic dual-anti-ship cruising missile (ASCM) and land-attack cruise missile (LACM). However, the most recent Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) report also disclosed the development of a new supersonic missile for the PN, so the PN’s MILGEMs may deploy something other than the Harba ASCM/LACM as well.
The CNS did not specify if the inclusion of VLS was limited to solely the fourth ship, implying that all four MILGEM ships will be configured along identical lines. One indication for this change could be that in 2016, the PN was expected to procure four MILGEM Ada corvettes configured along similar lines to the Turkish Navy’s ships at $1 billion US. However, the deal is now reportedly worth $1.5 billion US.
The PN’s forthcoming Type 054A/P frigates will also deploy the HQ-16, but through 32 VLS cells. All four Type 054A/Ps are due by 2021. Interestingly, the Pakistan Army also inducted the HQ-16/LY-80, which shows that there is a measure of commonality between the Navy and Army on SAMs.
On 29 September, the Istanbul Shipyard held the steel-cutting ceremony of the Pakistan Navy’s (PN) first MILGEM corvette. The Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan presided over the event alongside various government, naval and industry officials from Turkey and Pakistan.
The PN currently has four MILGEM corvettes on order, with all four ships due for delivery to the PN by 2023-2024. Construction of the first ship will last 54 months, but the remaining three ships will follow the first in quicker succession, i.e., at six month intervals of one another (ASFAT A.S).
Under the contract, which was signed in 2018, two of the ships will be built in Turkey, while the remaining two in Pakistan. Pakistan will also receive “complete transfer of technology and the transfer of intellectual property rights for the design of these ships.”
The fourth ship was to be a new frigate class (i.e., Jinnah-class) jointly designed by the primary contractor, ASFAT A.S. (Military Factories and Shipyards Management Inc), and Pakistan’s Maritime Technologies Complex (MTC). However, it appears that the new frigate design will apply to all four ships.
During AMAN-19, the Pakistan Navy’s biennial multi-national exercise, the PN Chief of Naval Staff (CNS), Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, reportedly outlined that the PN’s MILGEMs will be equipped with the Chinese HQ-16 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system through a 16-cell vertical launch system (VLS).
The VLS will be installed at the fore of the ship, behind the main gun. In addition, the PN’s MILGEMs will deploy a modified version of the GENESIS combat management system (CMS).
The PN MILGEMs will also deploy an “indigenously developed missile system,” which could be the Harba subsonic dual-anti-ship cruising missile (ASCM) and land-attack cruise missile (LACM). However, the most recent Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) report also disclosed the development of a new supersonic missile for the PN, so the PN’s MILGEMs may deploy something other than the Harba ASCM/LACM as well.
The CNS did not specify if the inclusion of VLS was limited to solely the fourth ship, implying that all four MILGEM ships will be configured along identical lines. One indication for this change could be that in 2016, the PN was expected to procure four MILGEM Ada corvettes configured along similar lines to the Turkish Navy’s ships at $1 billion US. However, the deal is now reportedly worth $1.5 billion US.
The PN’s forthcoming Type 054A/P frigates will also deploy the HQ-16, but through 32 VLS cells. All four Type 054A/Ps are due by 2021. Interestingly, the Pakistan Army also inducted the HQ-16/LY-80, which shows that there is a measure of commonality between the Navy and Army on SAMs.
China cuts steel for Pakistan’s third, fourth Type 054A frigates
Key Points
A contract for the vessels, which was signed between China Shipbuilding Trading Co Ltd (CSTC) and Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production, was announced in June 2018. It is a follow-on order for two similar vessels, a contract for which is believed to have materialised in 2017.
Key Points
- China has begun work on a third, and fourth Type 054A frigates on order for the Pakistan Navy
- Once inducted, the vessels could significantly enhance the service’s anti-air warfare capabilities
A contract for the vessels, which was signed between China Shipbuilding Trading Co Ltd (CSTC) and Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production, was announced in June 2018. It is a follow-on order for two similar vessels, a contract for which is believed to have materialised in 2017.
