Project 75 India Diesel-electric Submarine Programs (SSK) : Updates and Discussions
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The French are still around. Besides I doubt the Swedes stood much of a chance. Somewhat true of the Jerries too.
The sub program is headed towards a single-vendor situation only with respect to AIP. But if you combine AIP requirements with the fact that the Koreans are not offering VLS, it would mean none of the participants will meet requirements.
The IN is going to have to work with the OEMs they choose if they want a sub in the end. Or they will have to pin their hopes on DRDO's PAFC on an indigenous design.
Whatever happens, should happen fast.
Meanwhile the Navy should work with DRDO to test and certify the AIP on the older Type209. And DRDO should start work on Lithium power.
If this is going to get delays get 3 more Scorpene.
Meanwhile the Navy should work with DRDO to test and certify the AIP on the older Type209. And DRDO should start work on Lithium power.
If this is going to get delays get 3 more Scorpene.
Totally agreed. We should've gone for more Scorpenes by now while the production line is up & running. Should order the recently offered Kilos too, if not too expensive. Investing more on the Type209 seems like a waste at this point.
Over the years we have invested greatly on ASW capabilities. Often the best way to counter a sub is another sub. I would've loved to see more Kamortas being ordered, not sure we have the budget for that.
As for Li-ion AIP, I am not sure that's a great plan. One of the reasons they went for a PAFC is because it can be made entirely in India. Li needs to be imported. Aluminum-Air batteries might be an alternative.
They have installed it on their last subs. x6 VLS and a next batch to come with 10
Add to that the electrical motor is now weak for this heavier sub. The speed perf will be lower than calculated. At least for the first unit.
So, we will not be having new sub class induction in near by future, and no new AC too. The plan for new AC is replaced by submarine induction program due to Bipin ji's pressure.
Spanish S80,french & russians are still around.
Right now, the best option is to exercise the Russian offer for 3 Kilos. It will come with mostly Indian tech.
As for Scorpene, it's still not entirely clear why the IN did not exercise options. Only one of the reasons is it's not suitable for its future role. It's too late now anyway.
The Type 209s are undergoing upgrades, and it's the best option to make DRDO's AIP seaworthy before introducing it on the Scorpene.
Li-ion is a requirement for P-75I though.
A Kamorta successor is planned under the NGC moniker.
Yeah. Apparently, for whatever reason, the Koreans are saying they are not going to offer VLS.
For P-75I, the OEM's will have to introduce a 5MW Indian-designed electric motor.
The article covered it. None of them have seaworthy AIP.
Only Type 214 and KSS III have AIPs in the water. So the others will face an automatic rejection during paper evaluations unless the IN change their minds about it.
S80 is fitted with a US combat system... not nice. And it is late, overbudget, fatter.
The game seems to be between France and Russia. May depend on the support for next gen SSN....
This is why it is strange to see the germans out.
The Pakistani Agosta are fitted with AIP, for years....
They offered the Type 218. It appears 3 months is not enough time to reply to the RFP. It's possible the MoD may provide a 3-4 month extension though, although the Germans want a minimum of a year.
I think it has more to do with the fact that they need additional time for R&D rather than anything else.
The IN want fuel cells based AIP.
Yeah, that claws can be modified if IN is ready, here what happens like Swedish did in past with p75I. They just doesn't wants to quote, reason is chances are nil for them to win or provide the boat with that limited allocated funds by India for the deal.
Pakistani Augusta can't be tested by IN, isn't the working AIP test condition now in proposal?
I don't know.
The Pak Agosta system is now old. Naval Group has certainly something more potent.
Replacing ethanol with fuel is on the drawing board for years.
The Korean design is a direct derivative of a german design. They don't have the whole back ground and knowledge of the world wide specialist of classical sub.
Is it a ballistic missile or a cruise missile their solution? Is it their missile or a US one?
I know korean is basically an upgraded type 209. But it's pretty advanced and has some similarity with the soryu class. I don't know the Koreans export their cruise missiles. But they have two submarine launched missiles.
The new class will have a submarine version of the Korean Vertical Launching System which will be able to carry up to ten indigenous "Chonryong" land-attack cruise missiles and "Hyunmoo" submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBM)
Hyunmoo-3 - Wikipedia
Hyunmoo - Wikipedia
Will make a variety of tactical standoff weapons. The only other close submarines in our service are scorpene but they don't have ballistic missiles. And the arihant doesn't have a cruise missile capability. Also the Koreans have one of the most potent 533mm torpedoes so honestly would be great if we buy these..
Also the Koreans have one of the most heavily armed navies. The KSS 3 was the most heavily armed subs in the tender. I really hope the Koreans aren't
blue balled here because it's a good sub which is going to be screwed due to our procurement policies again..
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I hope it is better than the legacy type 209 ! Soryu is onother beast. Japan has a far greater know how than SK, but incredible higher price.
The *censored*ups by SK in the frigate program of Philippines will discussed by the Navy. As will be the Indonesian Navy, which falling to the Nagpasha program with South Korea has been looking officially towards Naval Group and TKMS for Scorpene and Type 214.
A simple G2G deal with France should have taken place ideally. But alas I am sure we will pick up the worse option possible.
A simple G2G deal with France should have taken place ideally. But alas I am sure we will pick up the worse option possible.