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But what makes you think that Pak will nuke India? Pnjabis are the most coward people in India or Pakistan. Will they accept complete destruction? Tell me one major battle for India fought in Punjab ever?

I don't know about whether they are cowards or not, but there is a high probability of Pakistan resorting to nukes in case India decides to do a second 1971.
 
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I don't know about whether they are cowards or not, but there is a high probability of Pakistan resorting to nukes in case India decides to do a second 1971.
India wouldn't do another 1971 and Pakistan wouldn't resort to nukes. Things have changed a lot since 1971 in my opinion. At max we will break their backs occupy some territory here and there and brag about it for another 2 decades while being kicked in the nuts with minor terrorist attacks now and then. Now we even started to give their brides visa's, which idiot came up with that idea in the first place.
 
India wouldn't do another 1971 and Pakistan wouldn't resort to nukes. Things have changed a lot since 1971 in my opinion. At max we will break their backs occupy some territory here and there and brag about it for another 2 decades while being kicked in the nuts with minor terrorist attacks now and then. Now we even started to give their brides visa's, which idiot came up with that idea in the first place.

Can't really say how a limited war will go anyway.
 
If one of our major cities got hit, what can we as civilians do?
In lighter vein, if bomb drops at Vijay Chowk
a. Nothing will happen to structures constructed prior to 1947. North Block South Block totally safe.
2. All structures constructed post independence within 1000 m will crumple, constructed by PWD and MES. Cut was there.
3. People will throng to see the damage.
4. lots of selfies
Now on actual affect. Very little damage in Delhi. It is well dispersed city. Yes destruction will take place and we may have thousands of casualties. But the main problem will be the people who will come to see and take selfie. They will suffer from secondary injuries. We Indians never follow rules hence the damage.
 
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Now on actual affect. Very little damage in Delhi. It is well dispersed city. Yes destruction will take place and we may have thousands of casualties. But the main problem will be the people who will come to see and take selfie. They will suffer from secondary injuries. We Indians never follow rules hence the damage.

That's interesting. One would assume people will try to get away from the big plume of smoke and dust, like what the Americans did after the WTC collapsed. But I suppose you are talking about after the dust settles.
 
I don't know about whether they are cowards or not, but there is a high probability of Pakistan resorting to nukes in case India decides to do a second 1971.
Pakistan is banking on this line of thought..... It is their only resort to keep India away.... As @vstol Jockey mentioned the importance they give it to Punjab is too high.... once you give them a bloody nose there then things would change......Nuclear bombs are going to be the last resort... that too if we plan to occupy or liberate Punjab.... India never had an territorial intentions... So you can safely assume that it's a bluff.....
 
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Pakistan is banking on this line of thought..... It is their only resort to keep India away.... As @vstol Jockey mentioned the importance they give it to Punjab is too high.... once you give them a bloody nose there then things would change......Nuclear bombs are going to be the last resort... that too if we plan to occupy or liberate Punjab.... India never had an territorial intentions... So you can safely assume that it's a bluff.....

Their entire nuclear program is just one big giant bluff. But I doubt there is anybody who really knows what their red lines are. Hell, I doubt even they know that.

My line of thinking is if we go to war, we should stay significantly below the nuclear threshold, like a limited war in order to punish, or go all out and permanently remove the threat. There shouldn't be any middle ground where we can potentially invite further attacks even in the future. If there is a major war, the end result shouldn't be like what happened to Japan or Italy after WW2, but Germany.
 
Their entire nuclear program is just one big giant bluff. But I doubt there is anybody who really knows what their red lines are. Hell, I doubt even they know that.
The redline is not constant and most probably they may have already laid down SOps for the same.....


My line of thinking is if we go to war, we should stay significantly below the nuclear threshold, like a limited war in order to punish, or go all out and permanently remove the threat. There shouldn't be any middle ground where we can potentially invite further attacks even in the future. If there is a major war, the end result shouldn't be like what happened to Japan or Italy after WW2, but Germany.
The current plans would be to keep any actions limited swift to keep it below the threshold......
 
Only redline Pakistan has is Punjab and we must be very close to this redline in any future war. As long as you keep attacking this redline, rest of Pakistan will disintegrate without any use of nukes.
 
Only redline Pakistan has is Punjab and we must be very close to this redline in any future war. As long as you keep attacking this redline, rest of Pakistan will disintegrate without any use of nukes.
Seems to be a contradiction. If it's a redline, you avoid it and strike the other states. More importantly, does anyone know their actual redlines? Lt Gen Khalid Kidwai of their Strategic Weapons Dpt has spent it out. But have our security managers bought this line.

It certainly doesn't restrict loss of territory to Punjab. It's universal. Which means if we have any plans of reconquering PoK, theoretically, we'd be triggering their redlines.I don't think there's going to be any threshold below which you can initiate war. If one initiates war, it wouldn't be under ones control. I think the sooner Indian security managers understand that, the better. And if it's going to be an all out war, you begin by decapitation of their N weapons stockpile and delivery systems followed by their FM stockpile & production centres.

What can be fought under the threshold of N weapons is a LIC - an actual surgical strike on a larger scale, at irregularly regular intervals. If they do execute another 26/11, you target GHQ Pindi with your own suicide Squad and not mobilise for another proverbial Cold Start.
 
eems to be a contradiction. If it's a redline, you avoid it and strike the other states.
If you apply pressure on Punjab front and stay in close contact without breaking thru which in any case will be difficult, PA will have to deploy most of its forces in Punjab which will leave Sindh and Balochistan lightly defended. As long as we do not snatch area from them in Punjab, they will not risk a nuke attack on Punjab soil for Sindhis and Baloch. They will not even use TNWs on forces anywhere as long as we keep Punjab under pressure and avoid deep thrust in it.