Saudi Arabia signs mutual defence pact with nuclear-armed Pakistan

So this puts Pak at greater odds with Iran. Russia & China has increased its partnership with Iran. Iran is also part of BRICS and SCO. Why does it feel like US is pushing India to invest more in RIC 🤣🤣. Chabahar port anyone?

The United States has announced that it will revoke the sanctions waiver granted in 2018 for operations at Iran's strategic Chabahar Port, a move that could impact India’s role in developing the key terminal. The decision, effective September 29, 2025, comes as part of Washington’s “maximum pressure” campaign against Tehran.

This happened a couple of hours ago.
 
I have addressed this in a post earlier. The financial aspect has always been there and can rise or wane depending on the needs of SA. I had made this post to address concerns that may stem from purely militaristic might or effectiveness. There people who have already touted this as a military pact that is akin to NATO pact(s). The details of the agreement are unknown. However, if such a thing does come to pass, even though it will not be favourable for India, it might still be manageable if we can take prudent steps.
All these recent events only make it imperative for us to restart Operation Sindoor taking it to its logical conclusion at the earliest.

I'd argue even if Paxtan doesn't present us with a Casus Belli in the next 5-6 months , we ought to initiate or engineer something like IA "Ganga Incident " like we did in 1971 for a Casus Belli.

We've entered entirely uncharted waters since the past few months & things are getting even more unpredictable by the hour if not by the day.
 
Take 2 steps back and take a wider look

This deal is with the blessings of the US. Trump wants Pak to stick around just doesn’t want to pay the bill. Saudis will provide limited funding (by their standards) to help Pak reequip. The pound of flesh will be Pak soldiers fighting Houthi rebels perhaps.

Sticking my neck out - my take is MBS knows he wants India in good humor. It’s not like India is critical to Saudi, just that MBS understands the value India brings to his long term plans for the Saudi economy. This move is largely to protect Saudi interests in the Pak Nuclear program as insurance against Iran. If things go south, SA will take a step back or give token aid to Pak. Diplomatically we will get the usual - condemnation in the OIC, an emergency UNSC meeting etc.

US is increasingly annoyed with India and the news about 100+ Rafales was immediately followed by another US move - India no longer has a sanctions waiver on Chabahar. Unless there is a reset we are increasingly looking back at the time where Nixon was mad at us and Pak was getting US gear via Foreign aid or Arab Transfers
 
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The United States has announced that it will revoke the sanctions waiver granted in 2018 for operations at Iran's strategic Chabahar Port, a move that could impact India’s role in developing the key terminal. The decision, effective September 29, 2025, comes as part of Washington’s “maximum pressure” campaign against Tehran.

This happened a couple of hours ago.

Intersting.. What a time we are witnessing. Cold war era gave us IG. This new era has given us Modi.
 
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All these recent events only make it imperative for us to restart Operation Sindoor taking it to its logical conclusion at the earliest.

I'd argue even if Paxtan doesn't present us with a Casus Belli in the next 5-6 months , we ought to initiate or engineer something like IA "Ganga Incident " like we did in 1971 for a Casus Belli.

We've entered entirely uncharted waters since the past few months & things are getting even more unpredictable by the hour if not by the day.
It has been quite the storm in geopolitics for the past few months. It will take a sometime to ride out this storm and reach calmer waters. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you play go, I do not expect the present administration to go take an aggressive posture against PA. There are a plethora of factors to take into consideration. Too much going on in terms geoeconomics or energy trade at the moment is just one of them.
 
I don't know where this nation of isolation is coming from. What kind of bonhomie were you really expecting from other nations? A standing ovation, praises while you bombed another nuclear power. No.
And does lack of praise means hostility? Nope. From UN to BRICS to US.. our stand on pahalgam issue was recognised. While China did not do anything despite pak being the all weather ally. Instead we got a RIC show just few months after.
What else are your reasons to think india was isolated? Trade deal.. that's Trump being Trump.. not US-India.

One more thing, India attacked without requiring permission. We completed objectives in unprecedented fashion. Need for approval shouldn't arise in the first place. What I see is a section of Indian public not being able to adapt to the newfound ability and posture of India's FP. For too long we have preferred foreign opinion over our own. Op sindoor put that tradition from our doctrine to end effectively
Things didn't go exactly our way. Though I agree it wasn't completely within our control. The US initially supported India's right to self defense (Vance was in India around that time), then Trump went berserk for reasons we don't yet know.

Not that we needed US permission but you'd expect a fellow Quad member and 'natural ally' to be more civil. For that matter, none of the Quad partners showed support. Otoh, Pak had Egyptian, Turkish and US aircraft flying evac/resupply missions within hours of the ceasefire.

But maybe you're right. We weren't completely isolated. Russia and/or Isreal was reportedly supplied us with intel during Op Sindoor. Netanyahu is reported to have met our Ambassador shortly after to convey support.
 
Things didn't go exactly our way. Though I agree it wasn't completely within our control. The US initially supported India's right to self defense (Vance was in India around that time), then Trump went berserk for reasons we don't yet know.

Not that we needed US permission but you'd expect a fellow Quad member and 'natural ally' to be more civil. For that matter, none of the Quad partners showed support. Otoh, Pak had Egyptian, Turkish and US aircraft flying evac/resupply missions within hours of the ceasefire.

But maybe you're right. We weren't completely isolated. Russia and/or Isreal was reportedly supplied us with intel during Op Sindoor. Netanyahu is reported to have met our Ambassador shortly after to convey support.

Most of its due to US' interests in nur khan likely being hit.. but even if they aren't..
Trumps fiasco was ceasefire announcement in a bid to take credit. What followed after it was natural. And Trump is anything but civil. The forum have enough material that will show his antics with even traditional US allies like EU, Pacific nations and the most shocking Canada.
Rest of the quad members were same as always.

Indian domestic political opposition didn't let the waters to be calmed either. They further muddied the waters during and after fog of war. Not international isolation. But opposition playing on same narrative as Pakistan created a domestic environment. The info warfare which we talk about.
Isolation means, relationship broken. Some anti-india measures taken due to op sindoor. What will be do with "moral" support through words? We have plenty of them overflowing since 1990s.

What we need is self capability which does not come from words. But from investments. Which are seeing an increase from both domestic and international corporates.

Pak has support from turkey and azerbaijan only.. and that too is embedded into the politics of west asia & europe. We deal with them through our own maneuvers.
Rest the evacuation pr whatever took place .. we didn't need it 😅
 
I'd argue even if Paxtan doesn't present us with a Casus Belli in the next 5-6 months , we ought to initiate or engineer something like IA "Ganga Incident " like we did in 1971 for a Casus Belli.
We might not.

Lets not forget the water issue - you think its not being haggled behind the scenes? Its an existential issue for PakJab.
 
Reposting the old (50 year) NYT article on the gibs pakees received from gulf and mohamedan countries in 1970s in context of post Israeli yom kippur war and subsequent gulf oil embargo

Pakistan Is Bolstered by Aid From Other Moslem Nations
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan —The learning of Arabic is being encouraged in Pakistan. Editions of the Koran marred by typographical errors are barred from bookshops. Airline employes, announcing flight plans, stipulate, “If Allah wills.”

Such devotion to the faith and culture of Islam is earning Pakistan rich rewards: During the 12 months ending June 30 other Moslem countries gave her more than $500‐million in aid from their oil profits.

That is the equivalent of more than $7 for each Pakistani, a great boon in a country whose per capita income is put at $80 to $110 a year.

The effect of the aid, along with assistance from the United States and other sources, has been to cushion the impact of the rising prices Pakistan must pay for oil and other imports, of her runaway population growth and of the global economic doldrums.

The money has helped to keep Pakistan far better off economically than floundering India and has made it easier for her to indulge in little luxuries such as the 10 Mirage reconnaissance jet, planes that she ordered from France last month in a $75‐million deferred‐payment deal.

The close ties with other Islamic states were reflected in a typical recent message, beginning “excellency and dear brother,” that Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto addressed to President Anwar el‐Sadat of Egypt, with greetings to “the fraternal Egyptian people” and a denunciation of “Zionist aggression.”

Economically troubled Egypt was not among Pakistan's benefactors, but her stanch and open handed supporter, Saudi Arabia, was, to the tune of $35‐million in credits. Libya lent Pakistan $97‐million, Abu Dhabi $108‐million, Qatar $11‐million and Kuwait $5‐million.

A further $251‐million came from Iran, the Moslem but nonArab nation that adjoins Pakistan on the west and which, like Pakistan, has been stressing Islamic solidarity and ties with the Arab world.

All the loans are at low interest rates, to be paid in eight to 40 years.

Though many Pakistanis see the aid from the oil‐producing nations as a natural outgrowth of Islamic ties, such aid was relatively scant before the impact of the price rises that began late in 1973, before Mr. Bhutto began stressing those ties.

Under the military regime that preceded Mr. Bhutto, an official observed, “there was a sort of cultural gap—the force that Islam represents was not fully perceived.”

Nowadays Prime Minister Bhutto takes pains over such matters as the naming of ambassadors to key Moslem nations. High‐level contacts with Islamic leaders have become frequent, notably at the Islamic conference held in Pakistan in February, 1974. At that conference Mr. Bhutto, stressing Pakistan's common cause with the Arabs, said the Israelis were “intoxicated with their militarism and reeking with ethnological arrogance.”

Pakistan makes other gestures of solidarity with the Arabs. The Pakistani press, which is responsive to the Government's views, has endorsed recent Arab criticism of Israel's administration of the tomb of Abraham at Hebron, on the Israeli‐occupied West Bank of the Jordan River.

“There seems to be no end to Israeli vandalism and the Zionist state's persistence in taking step after step deliberately aimed at causing grave provocation to the entire Moslem world,” the Karachi Morning News said in an editorial a day after Moslem worshipers rioted at the tomb to protest an Israeli proposal to divide it between Jews and Moslems.

Pakistani officials are also at pains to stress their cultural links with Iran. Persian poets such as Omar Khayyam are quoted and revered. The Prime Minister, on a recent visit to Iran, so admired an ornate gate that he is having one like it put up to adorn a Moslem shrine. In June the two nations signed a voluminous cultural‐exchange agreement.

In addition strategic interests underlie Iran's support for Pakistan: The Shah of Iran feels uncomfortable surrounded by the Soviet Union on the north, Soviet‐influenced Arab nations on the west and Soviet‐armed Afghanistan on the east. Accordingly, Iran has buttressed her other eastern neighbor, Pakistan, which has close ties with China.

The relatively liberal Pakistani élite sees no conflict between the Government's ties with China's secular, anticlerical regime and the grass‐roots Moslem faith of the Pakistani populace.

It was taken for granted that the Minister of State for Railways, Mian Muhammad Atta Ullah, should make a speech here saying that it was the duty of every Pakistani Moslem to learn Arabic to be able to read the Koran.

The Ministry of Religious Affairs reported that the sale of four editions of the Koran had been banned under a 1974 law after they had been found to contain numerous typographical errors. Legal proceedings are expected to be brought against a luckless Lahore concern that recently brought out a Koran containing 340 errors.

I made rough estimate showing the value of aid pakees received in present context the figure is like $24 billion USD per year should be given to pakees match per capita gibs they received in 1970s.

Tbf they do receive some portion of gibs as zakat for madrasahs etc from gulf which reduces burden on pakee govt and elite from spending on schools as lower classes join their children in these gulf funded madrasahs for free food and stay they provide. Pakees are expert in milking ummah.
Pak was getting half a billion dollar aid in just one year, in present rate that equals 6billion USD, and if you compare the aid as percent of percapita income it will be even more aid required in present day, like $7 bump at a percapita lf $110 in 1975, is like 6% bump in percapita income just because of aid, if similar percent in pakistan percapita has to occur in 2025 withe a percapita of ~$1600, it requires a $100 bump percapita and for the population of 240 million, it gives 24 Billion USD of aid in just a year.

pakees were buying chinese goods with saudi money anyway like the VT4 deal in 2020s iirc, so we should stop panicking about this treaty/agreement.
Mohemdan countries will anyway support pakees thru gibs, fuel, social media info war etc unless pakees explicity messed their relation with them and even then street support will always be with pakees even if rulers might think in geo-politics context.

So all this should be accounted for when ever we decide to address the pakee question finally.
 
This deal is with the blessings of the US. Trump wants Pak to stick around just doesn’t want to pay the bill. Saudis will provide limited funding (by their standards) to help Pak reequip. The pound of flesh will be Pak soldiers fighting Houthi rebels perhaps.

So if this is Bhaghdad pact 2.0 minus Iran, then chances of action with Pakistan like 1971 are very likely.
 

ISLAMABAD — Saudi Arabia and nuclear-armed Pakistan have signed a mutual defense pact that defines any attack on either nation as an attack on both — a key accord in the wake of Israel's strike on Qatar last week.
The kingdom has long had close economic, religious and security ties to Pakistan, including reportedly providing funding for Islamabad’s nuclear weapons program as it developed. Analysts — and Pakistani diplomats in at least one case — have suggested over the years that Saudi Arabia could be included under Islamabad’s nuclear umbrella, particularly as tensions have risen over Iran's atomic program .

But the timing of the pact appeared to be a signal to Israel, long suspected to be the Middle East’s only nuclear-armed state, which has conducted a sprawling military offensive since Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel stretching across Iran, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Qatar, Syria and Yemen.

Israel did not respond to requests for comment. The pact marks the first major defense decision by a Gulf Arab country since the Qatar attack. The United States, long the security guarantor for the Gulf Arab states, also did not respond to questions posed to the State Department.

“This agreement ... aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression,” the statement said.

A senior Saudi official, speaking on condition of anonymity to The Financial Times, seemed to suggest that Pakistan’s nuclear protection was a part of the deal, saying it “will utilize all defensive and military means deemed necessary depending on the specific threat.”
Zalmay Khalilzad, a former U.S. diplomat with long experience in Afghanistan and Pakistan, expressed concern over the deal, saying it comes in “dangerous times.”
“Pakistan has nuclear weapons and delivery systems that can hit targets across the Middle East, including Israel. It also is developing systems that can reach targets in the U.S.,” Khalilzad wrote on X.

How Iran ties in​

Saudi Arabia has sought U.S. assistance to advance a civilian nuclear power program, in part with what had been a proposed diplomatic recognition deal with Israel prior to the 2023 Hamas attack that triggered the nearly two-year war in Gaza . That could allow Saudi Arabia to enrich uranium in the kingdom — something that worries nonproliferation experts as spinning centrifuges opens the door to a possible weapons program.

That deal — and a Saudi recognition of Israel — seem further away than ever as the kingdom has condemned Israel’s actions in Gaza and the crown prince has come out saying that Israel is committing a “genocide” in the Gaza Strip.

However, Prince Mohammed has also said the kingdom would pursue a nuclear weapon if Iran had one. Saudi Arabia already is believed to have a domestic ballistic missile program , which can be a delivery system for a nuclear weapon. Still, the kingdom is a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and is not known to have move toward acquiring the bomb through its own work. Saudi Arabia has had a Chinese-mediated detente with Iran since 2023 .
 
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No matter how strong is your friendship with an Islamic country, they always will choose Pakistan over India. KSA has great influence on India than even USA. Yet they signed a security pact with Pakistan.
As I said earlier, never ever sell Brahmos to Indonesia. We are literally arming an enemy of India, who had history of sending flotilla to capture Andaman Nicobar during Indo Pakistan war.
 
we should do what Egypt and Israel got deal from USA. (Egypt gets similar to Israel Military aid from USA)
The Best option for us would be increase the defence budget at least 125-150 billion $ a year, orders for more indigenous products, rather than importing, strengthen the Indian MIC,
And if we want to punish Pakistan in the conflict, then we should go all in, after all these year's the politicians in India learned nothing
 
Most of its due to US' interests in nur khan likely being hit.. but even if they aren't..
Trumps fiasco was ceasefire announcement in a bid to take credit. What followed after it was natural. And Trump is anything but civil. The forum have enough material that will show his antics with even traditional US allies like EU, Pacific nations and the most shocking Canada.
Rest of the quad members were same as always
I'd have expected a joint statement from Quad in support of a fellow member country (even without the US) like the OIC typically does for Pak. Being free and open democracies and all that.

But it is what it is, I guess.

The Quad has shown itself to be a white boys club with India as the junior partner. I suspect the focus is now on J-AUKUS.

Pak has support from turkey and azerbaijan only.. and that too is embedded into the politics of west asia & europe. We deal with them through our own maneuvers.

India has never been in the business of military alliances. We were the only country holding out on turing Quad into a formal Asian-NATO. I think the only time we did sign a treaty was with the Soviets in 1971 when the Enterprise battle group was on our doorstep.

Otoh, Pak has a long history of it. They have been members of SEATO, CENTO and other alliances with the US. Their eventual goal may be to form an Islamic NATO But the fact is both Pak and KSA have a fledgling MIC.

The UAE has been making rapid progress though with companies like the Edge Group and Mubadla investing is everything from strike drones to naval shipbuilding. So, tech transfer to Pak (free of ITAR) could create a headache for us.

Ino, we should step up efforts to sell mil hardware like trucks and armoured vehicles (Morrocco is a great start) and even arty guns to GCC and try to offset any advantage Pak may be hoping to get. This will take time and money though.
 
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It's not about military but financial support they can provide pakistan.... Indian strikes & now Israel have probably rattled kingdom & porks probably tapped into that fear......losing Pakistan nuclear weapon to India's decapitating strikes would be a disaster for kingdom if you look from there point of view, the Sunni shield that protect from evil Shia Iran gone.
The biggest threat is calibration... that will be harder for Indian Babus who are already without balls. This will castrate them even more in case of a terror attack. Diplomatically it can be bypassed if India and Saudi Arabia sign some kind of memorandum of peace... declaring mutual non aggression.

Basically agreeing to not hurt each other's interests in case of a conflict with Pakistan.

Question is, what will be the additional cost of this?

More pertinent....

Is this and Sanctions on Iran are together an American code speak to put pressure on India? After all Chahbar was named in particular... This Pak-SA deal seems to have American blessing as well....
 
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People here really need to take a step back & chill. Not everything revolves around India, we are not the center of this world. Be a little humble.
This is the effect of Israel bombing Qatar, coupled with Iran raining missiles on Qatar a few weeks ago.


"Qatar hosts Al-Udeid, the largest US airbase in middle-east that homes thousands of US troops"
"The emirates in the crossfire of playing both sides has itself become the collateral"
"Qatar now holds the distinction of being bombed by both Iran & Israel"
"In matters of statecraft it(Qatar) is so poor that all it has is money"


US security guarantees to these nations now means very little. Trump is really a whimsical coward. Saudi Arabia is now hedging so that its not solely dependent on US for its security. It was widely known that SA funded Pakistan's nuclear program to counter Iran. Its just in the open now. Pakistan couldn't have denied it even if they wanted to cause they need saudi money.

All this has nothing to do with India, so stop trying to push that narrative. But, it does open some new opportunities for us to expand our trade & influence. Look at the countries that will be unnerved the most by it & start new dialogues with them. Those would be Iran, UAE, Qatar, etc, etc.

If you ever look at China's foreign Policy, they never get militarily involved in any one's affairs despite having such a powerful military. Pakistan's the opposite, they jump into military alliances & don't bother about trade at all. You can see the effects of these policies on these countries respectively as more & more MNCs exit Pakistan. Does this move improve the miserable lives of Pakistanis in any way???? No!! Can they use saudi funding to buy more weapons??? Sure, but that wouldn't alter the strategic calculus bw India & Pakistan that much. If money was everything Qatar wouldn't be bombed by both Iran & Israel.

A lesson to be learned here for all Indians. Economy & trade should be the priority, not military alliances.
 
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