Shivalik-class & Nilgiri-class (Project 17 A/B) Frigates : Discussions
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The ship is not in its final configuration - I think we will see EO sensors, radar absorbent materials still to be applied
Hmm lots of space liberated by deleting one helo hangar... if we had enough choppers to go around, hosting 2 per ship would have been an amazing capability. In 90s Delhi class had 2 seakings aboard ... unreal
Hopefully we will see MH60R deliveries speed up this year. If relationship is okay, Navy will procure 12-24 more units depending upon funds available.
And hopefully by this year end we will see UH-M prototype roll out.
INS Tamala at Yantar Shipyard
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Might just be the last foreign-built principle surface combatant we ever induct.
...unless we get any more stupid ideas.
INS Tushil (F70) has visited Namibia & South Africa on its way from Russia to India. Visit to Namibia & exercise with NS Brukkaros (C13):
Visit to South Africa & exercise with SAS Amatola (F145):
Visit to South Africa & exercise with SAS Amatola (F145):
This is only the data of India's purchase of Barak 8 missile, a maximum speed of no more than Mach 2 missile,
Given its range of only 70KM, there would be no more than one intercept chance against the YJ12/18
the real future belongs to the SM6, HHQ9B this range of more than 250 km, maximum speed of more than Mach 4, using semi-active/active dual mode combined radar seeker, and lateral propulsion technology advanced missile, as for India's dream of Barak 8ER, Not even our HQ16FE
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While the USN uses PESA, the SM-6 comes with an active seeker and was introduced in 2013.
Indian destroyers have had advanced GaN radars since 2014. USN is getting them now. Plus because the Indian radar is on top of the mast, the ship has a longer range than older American ships.
Barak-8's objective was 70 km and has exceeded 90 km. An upgrade with booster will take it well beyond 150 km, or even 200 km.
And yes, it has sufficient time for terminal defense. Its minimum engagement range is 500 m, its reaction time is a secret but it's very small considering its short engagement range and it has an extremely high kill probability.
Just having long range is pointless. You also need minimum engagement range, faster reaction time, and very high pk, all missing from heavy semi-active missiles. The S-300/400 combines these missiles into one system, which is why it's considered special.
Barak-1 is a short range system, so it complements a medium range system like Shtil, just like on Chinese ships. But if a ship comes with Barak 8, then it doesn't need Barak-1, RAM-116, or HJ-10 class systems.
This is only the data of India's purchase of Barak 8 missile, a maximum speed of no more than Mach 2 missile,
It's mach 2+.Since it's dual pulse, it is much faster than your traditional AAM.
Barak 8 can fly much faster than Brahmos. It comes in two versions, one with 100 km and another with 200 km.
What? It says minimum engagement range is 3.5 km? That's terrible.
If you go to all the public information, the speed is Mach 2, in fact, it is very easy to understand that the double pulse engine itself is smaller than the maximum speed of the single pulse, is really a speed time image
Since it's dual pulse, it is much faster than your traditional AAM.
Barak 8 can fly much faster than Brahmos. It comes in two versions, one with 100 km and another with 200 km.
What? It says minimum engagement range is 3.5 km? That's terrible.
What are you referring to? HQ-19 is BMD, like THAAD, an exo-atmospheric interceptor. You can only shoot down glide vehicles rather than sea skimmers.
Brahmos 2 has been on hold for years now.
And, ever since India became a member of MTCR, the focus shifted to making longer ranged versions of Brahmos 1 and improving the speed to mach 4.5.
HQ19 is precisely similar to the THAAD ER missile, he is talking about how to defend against the US hypersonic missile, should be the upcoming service of the LRHW missile, according to CCTV, HQ19 has the ability to defend against HGV type weapons
It can not only intercept traditional ballistic missiles, but also has the ability to counter glide-mobile penetration missiles in the atmosphere, and the interception speed is wide and the interception range is too wide.
The reason for India's emphasis on minimum range is that all seven of India's destroyers use only AK630 for terminal defence, which is very poor, just like the cruiser Moskva
For China and the United States, the 1130 and HHQ10 have the ability to intercept multiple supersonic missiles within 20KM
We don't care about the minimum range
The motor was developed from an earlier missile called Trishul, which was a mach 2 missile, but the second pulse increased speed to almost twice that when making the kill. The cruise speed was improved on Barak 8 to mach 3 and the kill speed became slightly faster, closer to mach 5. The media simply reports the old Trishul speed. The second pulse works like afterburner on fighter jets.
MICA NG is also designed around the same principle. Speed of mach 3-3.5 at cruise, and kill speed of mach 4.5 once the seeker tags the target. Meteor too cruises at mach 3 and accelerates to mach 4.5 when making the kill.
Long range missiles have to do mach 5-6 at cruise because the speed will drop by more than half at longer ranges. But that's also why their minimum engagement ranges are bad, requiring complementary HQ-10 and Barak 1. And if there's no second pulse, it cannot accelerate before the kill. Plus no active seeker.
Plus the ship radar cannot see beyond 20 or 30 km so the missile cannot decide on a new target by itself. Barak 8 can reassign itself to a new target using its own seeker.
Even with a second pulse, the Barak 8 would not be able to hit a target 100KM away. As for the ER type, I don't think India's seven destroyers would be able to accommodate a Barak 8 with a huge booster without a change in the launcher
At the very least, China and the United States can maintain an air defense net of at least 500 kilometers for the entire carrier fleet
That is to say, India's current destroyer can only maintain 200 kilometers of air defense network, of course, this is enough in the Indian Ocean
China's HHQ9 is an active radar-guided missile, which is a basic common sense
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You can't judge the advanced destroyers of China and the US by the backward destroyers of India, both China and the US have low altitude blind radar on the top of the mast, the latest Chinese 052d, even uses two AESA radars for low altitude blind
The 22350 and 20380 are still in production, the future of Russia is still there, and the Western blockade has not defeated the Russian navy
In a war with NATO, Russia will not face F16s, but thousands of F35s and B21s, and then it will be over
What you have is old gen. What we have is new gen.
Getting information from democratic sources is different from China. You need to know people, not links.