Shivalik-class & Nilgiri-class (Project 17 A/B) Frigates : Discussions

they're all launched and even the Vindhyagiri is under going sea trials right now........ I assume you mean commission in which case yes, should be done by the end of the year.
batman said:
So does that mean we have launched 6 of the Nilgiri class frigates as of now and will finishing launching all 7 by the end of the year?

Also, am I the only one who thinks our ships look cooler than the Japanese or US ones?
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randomradio said:
VLS is better. Need 360 deg protection.
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Bhargavastra is so tiny that u can add 64 cells on both side , it take only half of space of a 4×4 pickup truck bed

Uts better to have integrated at some angle inside the sides . May be 4*32 , 2*32 on each side integrated into ship structure itself
(A Smmall rectangle block cutout like we have for torpedo but higher and angled 15-20° upward)

No need for any swiral or vls. Reduce complexity

Swiral may be for manpads like hhq10

And vls for vlsrsam or naval akash ng(need anti ship ballistic protection on ships specially considering smash from pak)

randomradio said:
You have an incorrect notion of how air defense is conducted.

What you need to ask is what targets were destroyed on the ground, not how many missiles got through.

In order to conserve ammunition, the SAM commander will allow some missiles to go through if the missile is targeting areas of no consequence or not of vital importance. For example, if an enemy missile's headed towards an empty hangar, the commander will let the enemy missile hit the target because rebuilding the hangar is cheaper than wasting an Arrow missile.

No, THAAD isn't better than what the Israelis operate. In fact, Trump wants to replicate Israeli missile defenses for America. Israel's defenses are far more strategic in nature, whereas THAAD has been designed for mobility and quick insertion into new areas. Both its radar and interceptor are inferior to the Arrow system. The Israeli system is a generation ahead, and India's is even more advanced.
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I believe that israeli air defence are better than that of us in general , they also have lots of data to feed , heck i have seen even tamir(iron dome( interception some ballistuc missiles which is crazy for such missile

but then how indias become better ?any source to back up ?

I guess we should mass produce our anti bmd, specially ad1 , but we should also take 2 squardan of arrow 2/3 to protect jamnagar/gujrat refinaries , a single hit on such strategic thing is disaster
 
PhotonVish said:
Bhargavastra is so tiny that u can add 64 cells on both side , it take only half of space of a 4×4 pickup truck bed

Uts better to have integrated at some angle inside the sides . May be 4*32 , 2*32 on each side integrated into ship structure itself
(A Smmall rectangle block cutout like we have for torpedo but higher and angled 15-20° upward)

No need for any swiral or vls. Reduce complexity

Swiral may be for manpads like hhq10

And vls for vlsrsam or naval akash ng(need anti ship ballistic protection on ships specially considering smash from pak)


I believe that israeli air defence are better than that of us in general , they also have lots of data to feed , heck i have seen even tamir(iron dome( interception some ballistuc missiles which is crazy for such missile

but then how indias become better ?any source to back up ?

I guess we should mass produce our anti bmd, specially ad1 , but we should also take 2 squardan of arrow 2/3 to protect jamnagar/gujrat refinaries , a single hit on such strategic thing is disaster
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The Israelis were deeply involved in the development of our IADS. They gave us next gen versions of their own systems. We have since indigenized them with more advanced technologies. We are basically a generation ahead using derivatives of their own tech.

Iron Dome is meant to intercept rockets, not Iranian BMs.

PhotonVish said:
I mean yeah , but there are videoes which dhows iron dome successfully intercepting some slow speed ballistuc missile

And if we can upgrade then isn't Israeli too can ? I mean they have more war time data including saturation attack handling , and situation when interceptor number is low
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They use Barak 8, David's Sling, and Arrow against BMs. Iron Dome was made for rockets and artillery.

Maybe they can upgrade in the future, but today we use more advanced radars and other systems.
 
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Length, diameter, mass and performance all of these parameters puts Tamir missile in the same catagory as short ranged CAMM/IRIS-SL (20-30km range) or even VL-AMRAAM/NASAMS
It's designed to intercept artillery shells/Rockets, things that mainly follow simple ballistic path.

I don't think, We have any indigenous systems in this catagory.
VSHORD is a tier below
Akash is a tier above this.

Main advantage of Tamir interceptor is its relatively low cost.

Bhagvastra and Future ship based DEW will complement each other.
 
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