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Says who ? Janam TV ?

Neutral media outlets from Kerala says otherwise.
He is clearly a bigot. Funny to see sangis saying 'what about tukade tukade gang'? then supporting him. Add 'anti national to every statement to get legitimacy.
You forget to add attacking Hindus and burning down their houses and shops multiple times over a period of 5 weeks

Anyways don't waste time

What you do in real life wrt your beliefs matters , no point butting head online
Eww..i believe what ever i want to believe. I don't know how to fact check as long as it fits my narrative.
 
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what happens to the Bimaru states as you put it, least bother me. I don't hail from there

I'm not really bothered about what happens there but I guess it's better to show some reciprocity given that many of them are so interested in my state.

Kerala is next door to my home state

Which apparently happens to be the birthplace of Indian Mujahideen founder Yasin Bhatkal. Also happens to be the place where school students re-enacted Babri masjid demolition.

Looks like a perfect setting for 'expressions' of 'religious harmony' in the future. Looks like you don't need to bother much about Kerala anyway.

62% of Kerala's MLAs face criminal cases: ADR | India News - Times of India

Pragya Singh Thakur & the other Johnny you've named is right. At least these guys can claim Bimaru status

Indeed, those MLAs undergoing trial for terrorism.

I have seen whataboutism and obfuscation before, but this is a whole new level. 🤣

I'm saying you're in trouble even if starvation doesn't haunt your land. Nor floods.

The only place where sanghi doomsday predictions belong is the trash can.

I think news that the Central Government released some INR 1.5k Crore was in the news a few weeks ago with a punchline that Pinarayi didn't utilise the funds & was content to blame the Center for lack of funds.

Released what amount BTW ? Are you confusing GST compensation with flood relief ?

I guess you didn't see Kerala government's press release which shows utilisation of central aid reaching 80%.

But Sanghis are quite good at finding excuses.
 
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He is clearly a bigot. Funny to see sangis saying 'what about tukade tukade gang'? then supporting him. Add 'anti national to every statement to get legitimacy.

They are busy inventing new definitions of religious extremism. It's okay as long as it comes from beleivers of my 'liberal religion'.

If Aditya Rao's bomb exploded on board the aircraft, it wouldn't kill anyone. It's a polytheistic liberal dharmic bomb you see, not a monotheistic Islamic bomb.
 
Better than some cows in a gutter.

I guess you haven't seen human beings literally living over sewage canals. And mud-huts in rural areas in the 21st century. It's depressing to see.

But that's not an issue anyway, right ? It's Kerala becoming anti-hindu, commie, jihadi, ricebag infested beef eating state.
 
Already posted what I had to on the previous thread. Not interested in repetition

If it's still difficult for you, let me help. The decadal population growth rate of Keralite & muslim population upto 2011 can be calculated from the table. It can be extrapolated to 2051 if you want.

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Is math a chrislamocommie conspiracy to defame hinduism as well ?
 
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Guess Satish Sabharwal is a Syrian Christian.

The petitioner-appellant carrying on the business of exporting frozen meat of buffaloes, sheep and goat, sought to establish an abattoir, meat processing plant and a cold storage in a riots prone area near Bombay

Satish Sabharwal & Ors V. State Of Maharashtra | India | Asian Encyclopedia of Law
https://india.lawi.asia/satish-sabharwal-and-ors-v-state-of-maharashtra/

Surely that sounds like a Syrian Christian when you guys pronounce it - setish seberwel. Add a few more Syrian Christian names to it too - Esif Ghulemuddin Sheikhu, Kuldip Singha, Digember Singhu Brer ( aiyyo bra ile brer), Ghulemuddin Meqbul sheikhu. It's a pvt Ltd partnership firm as the link immediately below details - a 50:50 partnership between the Sabharwal & Sheikh families.

The second link is Of it's list Of directors.Of course we won't hear that from you coz it doesn't fit into your narrative.

The growth of Al Kabeer
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/the-growth-of-al-kabeer/articleshow/2423616.cms

AL KABEER EXPORTS PRIVATE LIMITED - Company, directors and contact details | Zauba Corp



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Could have just played both videos for a few seconds & avoided flogging the dead horse thrice.
What to do saar, we're like this only.

I don't see such conditions being mentioned anywhere in the original article. Is there any source?

In a first, ‘shariah compliant’ apartments to come up in Kerala | Kochi News - Times of India
Pls detail what do you understand by Shariah? Is it to be followed by non Muslims when they're classified as Zimmis & Dhimmis & are expected to pay the jizia . Pls do read up on it. You may be required to abide by it sooner than you think.

'Poor famer defending his cattle from the evil smuggler'.
So, let's get this right. In India where the police are understaffed, incompetent, impotent when it suits them, serve their political masters & act as their enforcers, are extremely corrupt too with laws that are all encompassing but where enforcement is lax , will pay attention to a poor farmer who comes to complain about stolen cattle.

That must be the case in God's own country. Obviously, any thing otherwise in God's own country ought to be treated as an exception to the rule. In other parts of the country, if the" poor peasant " Is able to detect the theft in time, he'd raise a hue & cry, gather his fellow relatives, neighbors, other villagers, etc & beat the daylights out of the cattle rustler. Coz they are uncivilized.

Which brings me to an important digression. Cattle rustling was officially considered to attract capital punishment in the wild West before which a good old lynch mob dealt with cattle rustlers exactly how they did after the capital punishment by statute came into effect. They'd either shoot or hang the fellow.

Now, it's quite obvious such ghastly things don't happen in God's own country. They fight over such weighty matters as ideology with equally bloody consequences. A few bombs burst here & there as a matter of routine. And a few innocent lives are well collateral damage. Guilty consciences can be assuaged at the neighborhood today shack over beef porotta.

The important point to be noted is Malayalis don't butcher fellow Malayalis over mundane matters like beef. No sir. They bond over it over several glasses of toddies to wash down the beef porotta. It's only heavy intellectual stuff like ideology that gets our gentle Malayali all worked up. Enough to slaughter another fellow Malayali.

What does any of that have to do with violence over cow & beef happening in 21st century India ?

Charlie Hebdo attackers too can come up with similar excuses.
Nothing. Hindutva extremists do it for fun. Too bad if you happen to be caught up in between.
Contextualization is seen by you as condoning such acts.

All this verbal diarrhoea doesn't negate the fact that.

1. There is hindu extremism.
2. You claimed it's not concern compared with other religious extremism.
I didn't imply or justify anything. But since you're putting words in my mouth, consider it as extremism which is justified. Hell we're the majority. We'd do as we please . You don't like it. Too bad. Lump it.
 
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Err...what ?

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But as I said earlier, Maths didn't help Einstein discover gravity. So leave all that.

The link I've posted from Wiki is derived from the Census 2011 too. The reference is clearly given there. In fact it lists birth rates as late as 2017 & TFR rates too. For all religious denominations.


Again, math never helped Heisenberg discover evolution as well.

I think I have given the data for proving my point , which despite your blatant denial holds good.

I guess it's time for you to provide data backing your claims.

Remember to quote Heisenberg or Einstein everytime you read about Genesis. And remember the earth was flat in Christianity till about Galileo's timetime who got his bollocks handed over to him for blasphemy.
As far as the rest of your comments go, the data you seek is Already provided. Help yourself.Scroll up.
 
I'm not really bothered about what happens there but I guess it's better to show some reciprocity given that many of them are so interested in my state.
Then quote it to them. Why are you subjecting me to your mental constipations. In case you're shy, @BlackOpsIndia ; @Arvind ; @vstol Jockey ; @Deathstar ; God's own chosen one has something to heavy to get off his chest. Do lend your ears or shoulder.


Which apparently happens to be the birthplace of Indian Mujahideen founder Yasin Bhatkal. Also happens to be the place where school students re-enacted Babri masjid demolition.

Good point. Bhatkal, a small non descrepit town is a boil on the bum of the state of Karnataka where as of a century ago the population of Muslims stood at less than 25% . Today they're around 80% . Yasin Bhatkal , Riyaz & his brother Iqbal Bhatkal and a few other youth got their indoctrination in KSA post which they received arms training and other assistance from where else but Pakistan.

The problem lies much deeper. Beginning in the early 70's ever since the Gold control act came into effect, gold smuggling from Dubai to India became lucrative. Bhatkal was an important landing point. Soon the locals joined the business , went to Dubai and minted money by smuggling gold back to India. This was followed by palatial mosques being erected and wahabbi preachers from KSA, Yemen invited.

Over a period of time, a section of ideologically charged individuals organized themselves and joined fundamentalist organizations like SIMI. They were always committed to bringing the Shariah & Khilaaf to India. The RJB movement provided the catalyst. Rest is history. Of course if I were to point this out as a cautionary tale to Kerala, I'd be laughed at. No such things happen in God's own country. Any such similarities are obviously from an alternative universe

Looks like a perfect setting for 'expressions' of 'religious harmony' in the future. Looks like you don't need to bother much about Kerala anyway.
Madani & the PDP do exist but they aren't from God's own country. Al Ummah, Basha, Jawahirulla, etc involved in the Coimbatore bombings were after all from TN. That's thousands of kms from God's own.


Indeed, those MLAs undergoing trial for terrorism.
Of course not. They're in for their ideology. Like deciding who gets the bigger share of the loot or how to use ideology to justify killing of a rival if it involves splitting the loot. A few committed ideologues also get nabbed for ideological, make that, theological sins, since Marxism is also an Abrahamic religion . It's my way or the highway. Marx Engels - prophets, Mao, Lenin, etc apostles. CPM, CPI, Forward Bloc, Maoists different churches. And on & on.

Obviously, pointing out that such incidents normally occur in 4th World illiterate Bimaru states are besides the point. God's own country's denizens always do things for a higher & nobler cause.


I have seen whataboutism and obfuscation before, but this is a whole new level. 🤣

You've seen nothing yet.

The only place where sanghi doomsday predictions belong is the trash can.
Umm, that's exactly where your future lies.

Released what amount BTW ? Are you confusing GST compensation with flood relief ?

I guess you didn't see Kerala government's press release which shows utilisation of central aid reaching 80%.

But Sanghis are quite good at finding excuses.

Centre refuses to give more funds to Kerala for flood relief

Did I mention 1500 crores. It's 3000 crores. But then again The Hindu is another Sanghi rag. It has to be. After all it's The Hindu. Just like Op India & Swarajya. Pls ignore the details unless it's certified by the Patriarch.
 
these are muslims mister, you expect them to stand against their own community.

And you dont believe the words of real victims just because they are hindus?
They clearly said its not public water supply. The same lady is saying they do not have a problem now.

Minorities cannot rent a house in major indian cities. Its a fact. There is no point crying about it because its in the prerogative of the owner to decide on it. Same goes here.
 
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Remember to quote Heisenberg or Einstein everytime you read about Genesis. And remember the earth was flat in Christianity till about Galileo's timetime who got his bollocks handed over to him for blasphemy.

Never knew that Goyal was such an important religious figure in Hinduism that my sarcastic remark hurt your religious beliefs. Maybe he should be referred to as His Holiness Piyush Goyal from now on ? :ROFLMAO:

Did I mention 1500 crores.

Yes, you did.

I think news that the Central Government released some INR 1.5k Crore was in the news a few weeks ago


It's 3000 crores.

..which was released for floods of 2019 as mentioned in the same link. But as usual you're unable to read or comprehend.

''₹3,000 crore fund allotted to it after the 2018 floods''

The allocation for 2019 flood relief stands at 0 Rs 0 Ps.

Pls detail what do you understand by Shariah? Is it to be followed by non Muslims when they're classified as Zimmis & Dhimmis & are expected to pay the jizia . Pls do read up on it. You may be required to abide by it sooner than you think.

Deflecting & going off tangent again ? Your link was about a 'Hindu' builder offering 'shariah compliant apartments'.

That it would employ only Muslim workers for construction or non-muslims having to pay Jizya are just figments of your imagination. Your or my understanding of whatever doesn't prove anything unless you come up with evidence of the same.

I didn't imply or justify anything. But since you're putting words in my mouth, consider it as extremism which is justified. Hell we're the majority. We'd do as we please .

Thanks for accepting the existence of Hindu terrorism & your own hypocrisy.

It's a pvt Ltd partnership firm as the link immediately below details - a 50:50 partnership between the Sabharwal & Sheikh families.

I guess 50% share in the trade of 'tamasic buffalo meat' is perfectly kosher. Just don't make it 100%.

Nothing. Hindutva extremists do it for fun. Too bad if you happen to be caught up in between.
In India where the police are understaffed, incompetent, impotent when it suits them, serve their political masters & act as their enforcers, are extremely corrupt too with laws that are all encompassing but where enforcement is lax , will pay attention to a poor farmer who comes to complain about stolen cattle.

In other parts of the country, if the" poor peasant " Is able to detect the theft in time, he'd raise a hue & cry, gather his fellow relatives, neighbors, other villagers, etc & beat the daylights out of the cattle rustler. Coz they are uncivilized.

I think it would be a little bit better if you stick to any one narrative.

Either it's the 'poor farmer' taking the law into his own hands for protecting his livestock from cattle smugglers.

Or it's the hindu right wing 'protecting' the venerable holy cow (not just the stolen ones) from the beef eaters.

Exactly which one is it ?

 
The link I've posted from Wiki is derived from the Census 2011 too. The reference is clearly given there. In fact it lists birth rates as late as 2017 & TFR rates too. For all religious denominations.
As far as the rest of your comments go, the data you seek is Already provided. Help yourself.Scroll up.

This is age pyramid of Kerala's communities according to census 2011. It can be clearly inferred that Muslims have a higher percentage of women at childbearing age than Hindus, that's some 5% higher. This is a result of having higher TFR in the past.

Even a rough calculation of % of women at childbearing age ( 20-39 years of age?) with TFR & population according to 2011 census would match with the distribution of live birth by religion data for that year.

This is something you & swarajmag folks are unable to grasp.

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This is TFR data for 2016.

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Now even if you consider the NFHS-4 data to be erroneous & expect Muslim TFR not to decrease with time, your predictions would be proved wrong.

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The census data for 2011 gives NGR of Muslims as 1.9%. The decadal growth rate of Kerala in 2011 was 4.9%.

Considering both as constant I guess you can calculate population share of Muslims by 2040 ?
 
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Then quote it to them. Why are you subjecting me to your mental constipations.

The point is BIMARU states having districts with far higher TFR than 'overbreeding Muslims' of Kerala. Which is perfectly Kosher to you because, well 'Viraat Hinduness'.

Good point. Bhatkal, a small non descrepit town is a boil on the bum of the state of Karnataka where as of a century ago the population of Muslims stood at less than 25% . Today they're around 80% . Yasin Bhatkal , Riyaz & his brother Iqbal Bhatkal and a few other youth got their indoctrination in KSA post which they received arms training and other assistance from where else but Pakistan.

The problem lies much deeper. Beginning in the early 70's ever since the Gold control act came into effect, gold smuggling from Dubai to India became lucrative. Bhatkal was an important landing point. Soon the locals joined the business , went to Dubai and minted money by smuggling gold back to India. This was followed by palatial mosques being erected and wahabbi preachers from KSA, Yemen invited.

Over a period of time, a section of ideologically charged individuals organized themselves and joined fundamentalist organizations like SIMI. They were always committed to bringing the Shariah & Khilaaf to India. The RJB movement provided the catalyst. Rest is history.

The history of Bhatkal, I have heard before. The point is Kerala's future being doomed & the state belonging to the 'trash can'. Wasn't that your argument ?

I guess the home state of the founder of 'Make in India' terrorist organization wouldn't better, would it ?
 
Never knew that Goyal was such an important religious figure in Hinduism that my sarcastic remark hurt your religious beliefs. Maybe he should be referred to as His Holiness Piyush Goyal from now on ? :ROFLMAO:
I don't know if he is. But now since you've considered him as such, genuflect before him.


Yes, you did.
I did. So?




..which was released for floods of 2019 as mentioned in the same link. But as usual you're unable to read or comprehend.

''₹3,000 crore fund allotted to it after the 2018 floods''

The allocation for 2019 flood relief stands at 0 Rs 0 Ps.
The same report also clearly mentions that the Government of Kerala didn't spend the entire allocation or didn't account for it's expenditure. Hence no fresh monies would be transferred. You don't like it. Too bad. Secede.

Deflecting & going off tangent again ? Your link was about a 'Hindu' builder offering 'shariah compliant apartments'.

That it would employ only Muslim workers for construction or non-muslims having to pay Jizya are just figments of your imagination. Your or my understanding of whatever doesn't prove anything unless you come up with evidence of the same.
And I clearly mentioned that if the owner of the said project is a non Muslim, the entire Shariah offer is bogus.


Thanks for accepting the existence of Hindu terrorism & your own hypocrisy.

Well, since my being reasonable didn't cut any ice, I say balls to the minorities. You do as you please & so will we. We shall see what we shall see.

I guess 50% share in the trade of 'tamasic buffalo meat' is perfectly kosher. Just don't make it 100%.

It also includes cows who're beyond the reproductive cycle. But let me draw your attention to what I posted above. As the majority, we'd make laws as we please and indulge in rank hypocrisy too. Do what you want to or can.

I think it would be a little bit better if you stick to any one narrative.

Already answered this one. Scroll up above.

Either it's the 'poor farmer' taking the law into his own hands for protecting his livestock from cattle smugglers.

Or it's the hindu right wing 'protecting' the venerable holy cow (not just the stolen ones) from the beef eaters.

Exactly which one is it ?

Which ever one suits my narrative. If it suits me to beat the shit out of minorities, so be it. If it makes me look sanctimonious so be it . After all we're the majority and we're supposed to be fascist. Hell, so why pretend to be otherwise?


Wonderful video. Made my day. We need plenty more of such stuff.
 
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This is age pyramid of Kerala's communities according to census 2011. It can be clearly inferred that Muslims have a higher percentage of women at childbearing age than Hindus, that's some 5% higher. This is a result of having higher TFR in the past.

Even a rough calculation of % of women at childbearing age ( 20-39 years of age?) with TFR & population according to 2011 census would match with the distribution of live birth by religion data for that year.

This is something you & swarajmag folks are unable to grasp.

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This is TFR data for 2016.

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Now even if you consider the NFHS-4 data to be erroneous & expect Muslim TFR not to decrease with time, your predictions would be proved wrong.

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The census data for 2011 gives NGR of Muslims as 1.9%. The decadal growth rate of Kerala in 2011 was 4.9%.

Considering both as constant I guess you can calculate population share of Muslims by 2040 ?
With a TFR almost 4 times that of a Hindu TFR & a population that's 27% in 2011 up from 23% in 2001 , you're arguing that the Hindu population will still stay stable or in the high 40% in 2040-50 ? That's reassuring.

Religion in Kerala - Wikipedia
 
The point is BIMARU states having districts with far higher TFR than 'overbreeding Muslims' of Kerala. Which is perfectly Kosher to you because, well 'Viraat Hinduness'.



The history of Bhatkal, I have heard before. The point is Kerala's future being doomed & the state belonging to the 'trash can'. Wasn't that your argument ?

I guess the home state of the founder of 'Make in India' terrorist organization wouldn't better, would it ?
Why did you skip out the parts of your list of MLA's having the highest crime rate of states and my post on it? Why did skip the part where I quoted with reference the amount of aid released to Kerala ? Why did you skip the part of Madani & the PDP's involvement in the Coimbatore blasts & how every political party worth it's salt went out of the way to normalise his return to mainstream politics? BTW, here's what one of your own compatriots has to say







Nair SFRF on Twitter

Now compare this to the support all those radicals from Bhatkal got? They caused death & destruction, got apprehended & are facing justice with zero sympathy or traction for them.

Finally, coming to the high TFR in the northern states, they also include a healthy amount of Muslims although the Hindu TFR is keeping pace somewhat.