The panic buys

[Milspec]

That's now how it works though. You need localised superiority in numbers, not absolute superiority.

Our II Corps has 3+1 armoured brigades, and can be supported by another armoured brigade from elsewhere, like an IABG or an armoured brigade from a RAPIDS. This will give us a localised armour superiority over a Pakistani infantry division or two. And once we have taken over an objective, the area will then be guarded by our own troops, and our Strike Corps can then move on to the next objective. And if the Pakistanis need to retake that objective, they will now have to bring in three times the number against the units protecting that area. To support that, you do not need 3x the troops across the entire army.

So when you say the Pakistanis have 300 SPGs, so we must have 900 SPGs, you are thinking in terms of WW2 era tactics, not modern warfare.

The main objective in modern warfare is to get the enemy to bunch up in one place and then bomb them from the air. Like the case with Longewala, where all it took was 1 company to route an entire brigade. Different story that they bunched up SPHon their own.

SPGs are distributed based on the number of armoured brigades you have. Since armoured brigades are required to speahead any attack and require high speed mobility in all terrains, you need SPGs connected to the armoured brigades to meet such requirements. The rest of the army doesn't need SPGs, towed artillery is more than enough. I would recommend looking up the American BCT TOE. Out of the 32 brigades they operate, only the armoured brigades have SPGs, no different from ours.

Your only argument is we need a bigger army.

100 SPH's for 5th largest Armored force on this planet, really?

For the US examples, US army has Close to 1400 M109's SPH's. Out of which close to 500 are in storage. Their stored units are 5 times our planned SPH's and 10 times our Current fleet. Pakistan total SPH's are close to 4.5 times our planned fleet. Chew on that for a while.

 

[randomradio]

100 SPH's for 5th largest Armored force on this planet, really?

For the US examples, US army has Close to 1400 M109's SPH's. Out of which close to 500 are in storage. Their stored units are 5 times our planned SPH's and 10 times our Current fleet. Pakistan total SPH's are close to 4.5 times our planned fleet. Chew on that for a while.

Nope. We have about 350-450 SPHs in inventory, 100 of those are new. The 100 that were replaced should be in storage instead, or waiting to be scrapped. So about 80 must be in their absolute last legs, which should see replacements with the 50 options of the K9, and another 100-200 older guns are 30 years old and will need to be replaced over the next 5 years.

In fact, the actual number of SPGs we operate is unknown since we do not know the actual number of the last class of guns that were inducted, called Catapult. Some say it's 100 in operation and 70-100 in reserve, or that all are operational. Fuses the M-46 with the Vijayanta.

The Americans have 180 + reserves in operation, so about 200+.

We have twice the operational armoured brigades as the US, so we effectively have twice as many operational SPGs around. Also, every one of our new SPGs are far superior to the American one, with about twice the firing range and a whole host of other advanced capabilities, by extension the Pakistani SPGs as well.

Most of Pakistan's SPGs are also on their last legs. Their last upgraded batch of 110 used guns were bought in 2010. Their total usable inventory is about 260 guns.

At least we can say for sure that all the main units that will enter Pakistan during a limited war will be the ones primarily equipped with the K9.

 

[Milspec]

Nope. We have about 350-450 SPHs in inventory, 100 of those are new. The 100 that were replaced should be in storage instead, or waiting to be scrapped. So about 80 must be in their absolute last legs, which should see replacements with the 50 options of the K9, and another 100-200 older guns are 30 years old and will need to be replaced over the next 5 years.

In fact, the actual number of SPGs we operate is unknown since we do not know the actual number of the last class of guns that were inducted, called Catapult. Some say it's 100 in operation and 70-100 in reserve, or that all are operational. Fuses the M-46 with the Vijayanta.

The Americans have 180 + reserves in operation, so about 200+.

We have twice the operational armoured brigades as the US, so we effectively have twice as many operational SPGs around. Also, every one of our new SPGs are far superior to the American one, with about twice the firing range and a whole host of other advanced capabilities, by extension the Pakistani SPGs as well.

Most of Pakistan's SPGs are also on their last legs. Their last upgraded batch of 110 used guns were bought in 2010. Their total usable inventory is about 260 guns.

At least we can say for sure that all the main units that will enter Pakistan during a limited war will be the ones primarily equipped with the K9.

LMAO

Other than the new K9's Indian army Has Zero SPHs; All gvozdikas have been decomissioned, as a matter of fact Indian army doesn't use any 122mm weaponry.

US army has 998 Active M109's and 500 in storage per The Military Balance 2020. Routledge. , provide your reference for 180??

The army had placed an order of only 40 catapults and none of them are in use anymore. Not a single Mk1 catapults based on the vijayanta are in active service.

 

[randomradio]

LMAO

Other than the new K9's Indian army Has Zero SPHs; All gvozdikas have been decomissioned, as a matter of fact Indian army doesn't use any 122mm weaponry.

US army has 998 Active M109's and 500 in storage per The Military Balance 2020. Routledge. , provide your reference for 180??

The army had placed an order of only 40 catapults and none of them are in use anymore. Not a single Mk1 catapults based on the vijayanta are in active service.

Wrong info for everything.

The 40 Catapults you are referring to are the Arjun based Catapult Mk2, which was cancelled, this was only as recent as a few years ago. You've confused that with the original Catapult Mk1, which, as I mentioned before, is with the Vijayanta chassis. Roughly about 150-200 were built and are still in use.

Gvozdikas are still operational.

If you remove the Abbots, we have 310-410 SPGs in operation. I'd easily say 360 at the minimum. Which would come up to 19 regiments, the same as our armoured brigade strength. So 100 K9s, 110 Gvozdikas and 150 Catapults.

US Army officially operates 10 armoured brigades, each have 18 SPGs, so that's it. This story of 998 active M109s and 500 in storage is just stuff in reserve and storage, not in active operational use.

 

[Milspec]

Wrong info for everything.

The 40 Catapults you are referring to are the Arjun based Catapult Mk2, which was cancelled, this was only as recent as a few years ago. You've confused that with the original Catapult Mk1, which, as I mentioned before, is with the Vijayanta chassis. Roughly about 150-200 were built and are still in use.

Gvozdikas are still operational.

If you remove the Abbots, we have 310-410 SPGs in operation. I'd easily say 360 at the minimum. Which would come up to 19 regiments, the same as our armoured brigade strength. So 100 K9s, 110 Gvozdikas and 150 Catapults.

US Army officially operates 10 armoured brigades, each have 18 SPGs, so that's it. This story of 998 active M109s and 500 in storage is just stuff in reserve and storage, not in active operational use.

Again , not a single vijayanta platform is active.
Zero Gvozdika's operational.

And as usual wrong again US has 10 divisions with 30 active brigades.

Field Arty Regiments support different divisions and brigades.
these are the active ones

• 1st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 4th Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 3rd Armored BCT, 1st Armored Division, stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas[1]
• 2nd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is a training support battalion assigned to the 428th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[2]
• 3rd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Stryker BCT, 1st Armored Division, stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas[3]
  • 5th Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 17th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington[4]
• 4th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 75th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[5]
• 5th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Armored BCT, 1st Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas[6]
• 6th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Infantry BCT, 10th Mountain Division, stationed at Fort Drum, NY[7]
• 7th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Armored BCT, 1st Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas[8]
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 3rd Infantry BCT, 25th Infantry Division, stationed at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii[9]
• 8th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Stryker BCT, 25th Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Wainwright, Alaska[10]
• 9th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Armored BCT, 3rd Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Stewart, Georgia
• 11th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Infantry BCT, 25th Infantry Division, stationed at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii[9]
• 12th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to 1st Stryker BCT, 4th Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Carson, Colorado[11]
• 13th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 75th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[5]
• 14th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 75th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[5]
• 15th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Infantry BCT, 10th Mountain Division, stationed at Fort Drum, New York[12]
• 16th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Armored BCT, 1st Cavalry Division, stationed at Fort Hood, Texas[13]
• 17th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Stryker BCT, 2nd Infantry Division, stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington[14]
• 18th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 75th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[5]
• 19th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a basic combat training battalion, assigned to the 434th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[15]
• 20th Field Artillery Regiment (United States)
  • 2nd Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 75th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[5]
• 25th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 5th Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 3rd Infantry BCT, 10th Mountain Division, stationed at Fort Polk, Louisiana[16]
• 27th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 18th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina
  • 4th Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Armored BCT, 1st Armored Division, stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas[17]
• 29th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 3rd Armored BCT, 4th Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Carson, Colorado[18]
• 30th Field Artillery Regiment (United States)
  • 1st Battalion is a training battalion assigned to the 428th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[2]
• 31st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a basic combat training battalion, assigned to the 434th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[15]
• 32nd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Infantry BCT, 101st Airborne Division, stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky[19]
• 37th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Stryker BCT, 2nd Infantry Division, stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington[20]
  • 6th Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 210th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Camp Casey, Korea[21]
• 38th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 210th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Camp Casey, Korea[21]"210th Field Artillery Brigade." Web, accessed 27 December 2017.
• 40th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a basic combat training battalion, assigned to the 434th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[15]
• 41st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Armored BCT, 3rd Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Stewart, Georgia
• 77th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Infantry BCT, 4th Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Carson, Colorado[22]
• 78th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a training battalion assigned to the 428th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[2]
• 79th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a basic combat training battalion, assigned to the 434th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma[15]
• 82nd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Armored BCT, 1st Cavalry Division, stationed at Fort Hood, Texas
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 3rd Armored BCT, 1st Cavalry Division, stationed at Fort Hood, Texas[23]
• 94th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 17th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington[4]
• 319th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 3rd Airborne BCT, 82nd Airborne Division, stationed at Fort Bragg, NC
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Airborne BCT, 82nd Airborne Division, stationed at Fort Bragg, NC
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Airborne BCT, 82nd Airborne Division, stationed at Fort Bragg, NC
  • 4th Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 173rd Airborne Brigade, stationed at Grafenwöhr Training Area, Germany
• 320th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Infantry BCT, 101st Airborne Division, stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 3rd Infantry BCT, 101st Airborne Division, stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky
• 321st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is a rocket battalion assigned to the 18th Field Artillery Brigade, stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina
• 377th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 4th Airborne BCT, 25th Infantry Division, stationed at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska

Following are in reserve:

• 101st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 86th Infantry Brigade Combat Team in the Massachusetts ARNG
• 103rd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Rhode Island ARNG, assigned to the 197th Field Artillery Brigade
• 107th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 28th Infantry Division in the Pennsylvania ARNG
• 108th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 56th Stryker BCT in the Pennsylvania ARNG
• 111th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 116th Infantry BCT in the Virginia ARNG
• 112th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 50th Infantry BCT in the New Jersey ARNG
• 113th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 30th Armored BCT in the North Carolina ARNG
  • 5th Battalion is a rocket battalion in the North Carolina ARNG assigned to the 65th Field Artillery Brigade
• 114th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 155th Armored BCT in the Mississippi ARNG
• 116th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 53rd Infantry BCT in the Florida ARNG
  • 3rd Battalion is a rocket battalion in the Florida ARNG assigned to the 138th Field Artillery Brigade
• 117th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Alabama ARNG assigned to the 142nd Field Artillery Brigade
• 118th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 48th Infantry BCT in the Georgia ARNG
• 119th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion in the Michigan ARNG assigned to the 197th Field Artillery Brigade
• 120th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 32nd Infantry BCT in the Wisconsin ARNG
• 121st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion in the Wisconsin ARNG assigned to the 115th Field Artillery Brigade
• 122nd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 33rd Infantry BCT in the Illinois ARNG
• 123rd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Illinois ARNG assigned to the 169th Field Artillery Brigade
• 125th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 1st Armored BCT, 34th Infantry Division in the Minnesota ARNG
• 129th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Missouri ARNG assigned to the 45th Field Artillery Brigade
• 130th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is a rocket battalion in the Kansas ARNG assigned to the 130th Field Artillery Brigade
• 133rd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 72nd Infantry BCT in the Texas ARNG
  • 3rd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 56th Infantry BCT in the Texas ARNG
• 134th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 37th Infantry BCT in the Ohio ARNG
• 138th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Kentucky ARNG assigned to the 138th Field Artillery Brigade
• 141st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 256th Infantry BCT in the Louisiana ARNG
• 142nd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion in the Arkansas ARNG assigned to the 142nd Field Artillery Brigade
  • 2nd Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Arkansas ARNG assigned to the 142nd Field Artillery Brigade
• 143rd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 79th Infantry BCT in the California ARNG
• 146th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 81st Stryker BCT in the Washington ARNG
• 147th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion in the South Dakota ARNG assigned to the 115th Field Artillery Brigade
• 148th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 116th Cavalry BCT in the Idaho ARNG
• 150th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 2nd Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Indiana ARNG assigned to the 138th Field Artillery Brigade
• 151st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Minnesota ARNG assigned to the 115th Field Artillery Brigade
• 157th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is a rocket battalion in the Colorado ARNG assigned to the 169th Field Artillery Brigade
• 158th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a rocket battalion in the Oklahoma ARNG assigned to the 45th Field Artillery Brigade
• 160th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 45th Infantry BCT in the Oklahoma ARNG
• 161st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Kansas ARNG
• 163rd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 76th Infantry BCT in the Indiana ARNG
• 182nd Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a battalion in the Michigan ARNG assigned to the 197th Field Artillery Brigade
• 194th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 2nd Infantry BCT 34th Infantry Division in the Iowa ARNG
• 197th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 3rd Battalion is a rocket battalion in the New Hampshire ARNG assigned to the 197th Field Artillery Brigade
• 201st Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a cannon battalion in the West Virginia ARNG assigned to the 197th Field Artillery Brigade
• 206th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 39th Infantry BCT in the Arkansas ARNG
• 214th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is a cannon battalion in the Georgia ARNG assigned to the 65th Field Artillery Brigade
• 258th Field Artillery Regiment
  • 1st Battalion is the cannon battalion assigned to the 27th Infantry Brigade Combat Team in the New York Army National Guard

 

[randomradio]

Again , not a single vijayanta platform is active.
Zero Gvozdika's operational.

Well, cheers.

And as usual wrong again US has 10 divisions with 30 active brigades.

That's what I said...
Out of the 32 brigades they operate, only the armoured brigades have SPGs, no different from ours.

Of those 32 brigades, 10 are armoured brigades. And each armoured brigade has about 90 tanks and 18 guns.

So 10x18 = 180. Add 3 each in reserve, it comes to 210.

That's it.

But by your logic, each brigade has more guns than tanks. So I can't do anything about that.

 

[Milspec]

That's what I said...
Out of the 32 brigades they operate, only the armoured brigades have SPGs, no different from ours.

Of those 32 brigades, 10 are armoured brigades. And each armoured brigade has about 90 tanks and 18 guns.

So 10x18 = 180. Add 3 each in reserve, it comes to 210.

That's it.

But by your logic, each brigade has more guns than tanks. So I can't do anything about that.

Not true at all.

incorrect again!!
Just for the A7 Version
The U.S. Army planned on procuring a fleet of 580 sets of M109A7 howitzers and M992A3 ammunition support vehicles.

Army developing new self-propelled howitzer

The U.S. Army is developing a next-generation, 40-ton 155mm Howitzer artillery cannon able to fire precision rounds, accommodate additional armor protections and power more on-board electrical systems.

www.army.mil

The Army plans to upgrade 689 Paladins to A7-standard , (meaning it has 689 Palladin A6's to begin with)

Plan would double artillery upgrades in Army arsenal over the next five years

Upgrades to the system will keep it shooting until 2050.

www.armytimes.com

Just the A7 fleets stands 5 times number you claim.

 

[randomradio]

Not true at all.

incorrect again!!
Just for the A7 Version
The U.S. Army planned on procuring a fleet of 580 sets of M109A7 howitzers and M992A3 ammunition support vehicles.

Army developing new self-propelled howitzer

The U.S. Army is developing a next-generation, 40-ton 155mm Howitzer artillery cannon able to fire precision rounds, accommodate additional armor protections and power more on-board electrical systems.

www.army.mil

The Army plans to upgrade 689 Paladins to A7-standard , (meaning it has 689 Palladin A6's to begin with)

Plan would double artillery upgrades in Army arsenal over the next five years

Upgrades to the system will keep it shooting until 2050.

www.armytimes.com

Just the A7 fleets stands 5 times number you claim.

Even your article says the army only has a third of the 700 SPGs upgraded and require budgetary approval for the rest. It's pretty much the same as the number I claimed.

But is it surprising that reserves are upgraded as well?

My number is not a claim, it comes from the application of common sense when you know the exact number of operational brigades deployed and then looking at the TOE of a brigade. This is not a secret.

 

[Milspec]

Even your article says the army only has a third of the 700 SPGs upgraded and require budgetary approval for the rest. It's pretty much the same as the number I claimed.

But is it surprising that reserves are upgraded as well?

My number is not a claim, it comes from the application of common sense when you know the exact number of operational brigades deployed and then looking at the TOE of a brigade. This is not a secret.

1500 sph's and 280 operational... indeed gr88 logic Read it again the upgrades are for Paladin A6 to A7, A6 by all means are fully functional SPH's and genereations ahead of Vijayanta catapult that you claim are operational.

 

[randomradio]

1500 sph's and 280 operational... indeed gr88 logic Read it again the upgrades are for Paladin A6 to A7, A6 by all means are fully functional SPH's and genereations ahead of Vijayanta catapult that you claim are operational.

All armies have a mix of obsolete and advanced systems.

Now all your arguments are less about MoD's slow decision making and more about mocking India's lack of money. Congratulations. Yes, America has more money.

 

[Milspec]

All armies have a mix of obsolete and advanced systems.

Now all your arguments are less about MoD's slow decision making and more about mocking India's lack of money. Congratulations. Yes, America has more money.

A MoD which can line up 750 Recovery vehicles cannot buy decent quantity of SPH's? Even a Pakistan that has a fraction of India's budget lines up a SPH fleet 4 times bigger.

 

[randomradio]

A MoD which can line up 750 Recovery vehicles cannot buy decent quantity of SPH's? Even a Pakistan that has a fraction of India's budget lines up a SPH fleet 4 times bigger.

If you rely on wrong info, of course you're gonna come up with these arguments.

 

[Milspec]

If you rely on wrong info, of course you're gonna come up with these arguments.

You just summed up 80% of your posts on the forum.

 

[randomradio]

You just summed up 80% of your posts on the forum.

Say the guy who thinks 10 armoured brigades have 1500 guns. Carry on.

 

[Milspec]

Say the guy who thinks 10 armoured brigades have 1500 guns. Carry on.

I have provided links to how many A6 and A7 SPHs are available, do yourself a favor, read rinse repeat.

 

[Sathya]

We should be like Pakistan, beg or buy excess stored second hand guns or like Chinese, mass produce Atags at what whatever quality available..

What are we doing..
Like a joke in Tamil movie,
Auto puts indicator on one side, hand signal on other side but go straight...

 

[randomradio]

I have provided links to how many A6 and A7 SPHs are available, do yourself a favor, read rinse repeat.

You mean the 200 odd that I initially claimed. You have now decided to claim my words as your own.

 

[Milspec]

You mean the 200 odd that I initially claimed. You have now decided to claim my words as your own.

Even trouble reading now? Links are there read it, repeat till grey cells wake up.

 

[Milspec]

We should be like Pakistan, beg or buy excess stored second hand guns or like Chinese, mass produce Atags at what whatever quality available..

What are we doing..
Like a joke in Tamil movie,
Auto puts indicator on one side, hand signal on other side but go straight...

Mass Produce ATAGS ? the MOD is already plugging in Israeli Athos to kill Atags.

 

[randomradio]

We should be like Pakistan, beg or buy excess stored second hand guns or like Chinese, mass produce Atags at what whatever quality available..

What are we doing..
Like a joke in Tamil movie,
Auto puts indicator on one side, hand signal on other side but go straight...

For limited war, we have enough or are in the process of getting there. And that's the govt's priority anyway. Get enough stuff to fight a limited war. For example, when it comes to artillery, the 100 K9s will fill in 5 Armoured IBGs, which can be used to attack Pakistan in a limited war setting. 2 more regiments worth of guns are pending. Similarly, the 7 M777 regiments will meet requirement for 7 infantry IBGs required to attack China. Both are essentially enough to equip two whole corps and reserves. Both essentially offer 30% more firepower than our existing Strike Corps.

If I'm speculating correctly, it's likely that each MSC will have 5 infantry IBGs for now and each Strike Corps will have 3 armoured IBGs and 3 mechanised IBGs. Similarly, the Chinese have 6 brigades in each of their corps. So any extra will be underutilised since we do not plan to fight an all-out war yet. So don't get fooled by people who do not know much about ORBAT or TOE.

However some things are missing and that needs to be done, like MPATGM and some types of air defence which are under negotiations or yet to be delivered. MPATGM should have entered user trials back in 2018. Similarly QRSAM should have entered user trials in 2019. Biho, needed for the IBGs in a limited war with Pakistan, are stuck in a quandry due to Russian complaints. And so on. So stuff that need criticising are not being criticised. Rather irrelevant stuff has found more interest. MANPADs are still under negotations. Similarly LUH and Ka-226T are stuck in negotiations and politics. These things require a lot of discussions instead.