Trainer Aircraft of IAF - PC-7, HTT-40, HJT-36, BAE Hawk
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Between CCS approval & IAF surrendering ~50% of their capital budget lies a sordid story that needs to be uncovered.
Is there any update on HJT 36? Last year, there was news that all the tests were done and the aircraft is awaiting certification. However, there was no news around HJT during aero india.
Last read information which is a few months old on B R F & Twitter is that HVT & gang were still carrying on test sorties on it which obviously means they want to ensure same performance over a period of time for whatever modifications they've undertaken before moving on to the next step - whatever that's going to be be, presumably final certification.
BTW even otherwise I read some time back that final certification of the IJT was due in 2025 though I can't locate that article.
Okay this is a worrying thing.
As reported by Aviationweek & Space Technology magazine, the Indian Air Force is looking at a possible replacement for the veteran HAL HJT-16 Kiran MkI and Mk II trainers, among which is the IA-63 Pampa III.
Although HAL continues to work locally on the HJT-36 Sitara, whose production could begin between 2024 and 2025 after having suffered a series of technical problems, other possible trainers would be the YAkolev Yak-130 and the IA-63 Pampa III, produced by Argentine Aircraft Factory «Brigadier San Martín» S.A (FAdeA).
The interest of the Indian Air Force in the IA-63 Pampa III dates back to 2019, when the then President of the Nation Mauricio Macri, on a trip to that country, signed a memorandum of understanding with Prime Minister Narendra Modi related to defense cooperation.
On that occasion, the Financial Times newspaper remarked that within the possibilities of advancing in a joint defense agenda, the advanced trainer produced in FAdeA would be one of the main axes.
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As reported by Aviationweek & Space Technology magazine, the Indian Air Force is looking at a possible replacement for the veteran HAL HJT-16 Kiran MkI and Mk II trainers, among which is the IA-63 Pampa III.
Although HAL continues to work locally on the HJT-36 Sitara, whose production could begin between 2024 and 2025 after having suffered a series of technical problems, other possible trainers would be the YAkolev Yak-130 and the IA-63 Pampa III, produced by Argentine Aircraft Factory «Brigadier San Martín» S.A (FAdeA).
The interest of the Indian Air Force in the IA-63 Pampa III dates back to 2019, when the then President of the Nation Mauricio Macri, on a trip to that country, signed a memorandum of understanding with Prime Minister Narendra Modi related to defense cooperation.
On that occasion, the Financial Times newspaper remarked that within the possibilities of advancing in a joint defense agenda, the advanced trainer produced in FAdeA would be one of the main axes.
La Fuerza Aérea de la India analiza como futuro avión de entrenamiento al IA-63 Pampa III
Según informara la revista Aviationweek & Space Technology, la Fuerza Aérea de la India analiza al posible reemplazante de sus veteranos entrenadores
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Deal was signed in Defence Expo. Clearance now. So probably the payments will begin.
"The Union Cabinet has approved procurement of 70 HTT-40 Basic Trainer Aircraft from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the Indian Air Force at a cost of Rs 6,828.36 crore. The aircraft will be supplied over a period of six years.
The HTT-40 is a turbo prop aircraft and is designed to have good low speed handling qualities and provide better training effectiveness. This fully aerobatic tandem seat turbo trainer has air-conditioned cockpit, modern avionics, hot re-fueling, running change over and zero-zero ejection seats. The aircraft will meet the shortage of basic trainer aircraft of IAF for training of newly inducted pilots. The procurement will include associated equipment and training aids including simulators. Being an indigenous solution, the Aircraft is configurable for upgrades to incorporate the futuristic requirements of the Indian Armed Forces.
The HTT-40 contains approx. 56% indigenous content which will progressively increase to over 60% through indigenisation of major components and subsystems. The HAL would engage Indian private industry, including MSMEs, in its supply chain. The procurement has the potential to provide direct employment to approx. 1,500 personnel and indirect employment for up to 3,000 people spread over more than 100 MSMEs.
The acquisition of the HTT-40 provides fillip to the Indian Aerospace Defence ecosystem and boosts efforts towards ‘Aatmanirbhar Bharat’.
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"The Union Cabinet has approved procurement of 70 HTT-40 Basic Trainer Aircraft from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the Indian Air Force at a cost of Rs 6,828.36 crore. The aircraft will be supplied over a period of six years.
The HTT-40 is a turbo prop aircraft and is designed to have good low speed handling qualities and provide better training effectiveness. This fully aerobatic tandem seat turbo trainer has air-conditioned cockpit, modern avionics, hot re-fueling, running change over and zero-zero ejection seats. The aircraft will meet the shortage of basic trainer aircraft of IAF for training of newly inducted pilots. The procurement will include associated equipment and training aids including simulators. Being an indigenous solution, the Aircraft is configurable for upgrades to incorporate the futuristic requirements of the Indian Armed Forces.
The HTT-40 contains approx. 56% indigenous content which will progressively increase to over 60% through indigenisation of major components and subsystems. The HAL would engage Indian private industry, including MSMEs, in its supply chain. The procurement has the potential to provide direct employment to approx. 1,500 personnel and indirect employment for up to 3,000 people spread over more than 100 MSMEs.
The acquisition of the HTT-40 provides fillip to the Indian Aerospace Defence ecosystem and boosts efforts towards ‘Aatmanirbhar Bharat’.
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What's this about 56% indigenization to be enhanced to 60% over the span of production ? What exactly are the imported components used here except for the engines ? Incidentally wasn't there talk of an MoU with Honeywell to locally mfg the engine ?
60% localisation without Engine and Ejection Seats is avg i would say.
Not bad considering it was HAL internal efforts. DRDO labs would have surely bought it up by another 10%. But that would have taken more time.
Do you mean to say the engines + ejection seat comprises 40% of the components of this aircraft ? In terms of value or in terms of total components?
How would HAL up it by 10% ?
Currently it's 56, will go to 60. That's fine.
I said if more labs were involved, then it would have been better.
I think it has to be by value. But cannot be for sure.
Great news
Under current gov. our Swadesi Aviation industry is really coming of age. Once we crack the code/problem of developing a high-end turbofan engine, we would literally be 100% self-reliant.
CCS clears Rs 10k cr training platforms for IAF, Navy
As per the defence ministry, the CCS accorded approval to sign a contract with L&T for the acquisition of three cadet training ships worth Rs 3,108.09 crore.
indianexpress.com
The contract value for ~70 odd trainers is ~INR 6,800 cr which works out to ~ INR 100 cr per trainer whereas I've read reports stating HAL fixed it's export price at ~ 7 m USD which works out to ~ INR 60 cr.
Exports aren't normally taxed but even with taxes INR 100 cr seems priced a bit too much. IIRC, the Honeywell engine was priced ~ 1 m USD which still makes the price per trainer look inordinately high even if we consider LCC. Hopefully someone with MORE KNOWLEDGE on the matter explains this to us unlike you know who.
As per this video IJT due to complete certification either this year or the next year .
Govt inks Rs 6,800-cr contract with HAL to procure 70 trainer aircraft
Well that was fast. From CCS approval to the agreement. Hopefully all forthcoming programs follow an equally rapid trajectory.
Well that was fast. From CCS approval to the agreement. Hopefully all forthcoming programs follow an equally rapid trajectory.
Indeed . Hopefully the same alacrity is carried forward to other programs like the Mk-2 to begin with , with or without such financial or other deadlines.
Development program do not got out from services CAPX.
Im assuming its taken from R&D head to ADA/DRDO account as yearly tranche after the program approval.
Was not referring to the developmental program / building of prototypes for testing but the signing of agreement during the concurrent engineering phase of the Mk-2 in the not so distant future to mitigate the loss of time .