Ukraine - Russia Conflict

They haven't sent everybody into Ukraine. Putin's 617000 claim is likely fake.
Only in that it's probably more. Don't forget Russia needs many men behind the frontline to keep everyone in order.
It could even be a number meant for the future. Most estimates put them at close to 500,000.
If there's 617k in Ukraine and x hundred thousand dead or maimed, it's nearer 1+m.
Ukraine claims the UAF is 800,000 strong, but that's also likely fake.
Could be, they have a very large border to guard besides the frontline.
 

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If Trump wins in the upcoming elections and/or the Republicans are able to hold onto the House and continue blocking aid to Ukraine, would you be in favor of direct French intervention in Ukraine?

If so, how would that look like to you? Would you like to see French troops on the ground to prevent the capture of cities like Kyiv or Odessa? Full scale participation in offenses with combined arms? Or perhaps limited to air support for Ukraine?

An accompanying question: how does the French public generally feel about increased aid and possible intervention in Ukraine? Macron seems to be in favor but he is also on his last term.. so he might just be bold because he has nothing to lose. Besides France, and eventually Poland, I don't see other European powers directly intervening in Ukraine at this point.

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If Trump wins in the upcoming elections and/or the Republicans are able to hold onto the House and continue blocking aid to Ukraine, would you be in favor of direct French intervention in Ukraine?

If so, how would that look like to you? Would you like to see French troops on the ground to prevent the capture of cities like Kyiv or Odessa? Full scale participation in offenses with combined arms? Or perhaps limited to air support for Ukraine?

An accompanying question: how does the French public generally feel about increased aid and possible intervention in Ukraine? Macron seems to be in favor but he is also on his last term.. so he might just be bold because he has nothing to lose. Besides France and eventually Poland I don't see other European powers directly intervening in Ukraine at this point.

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I think it depends what that means. As I understand it, current proposals would be military personnel in supporting roles well behind the front line. I'm pretty sure plans are also on the way to do an end run around Trump for weapon supplies anyway.

By far a more effective step would be allowing Ukraine to use Western weapons to hit Russian military facilities inside Russia. Russia threats are huff and bluster. They know they can't win a confrontation with NATO and getting themselves nuked off the planet isn't a great fall back plan for them either.
 
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I think it depends what that means. As I understand it, current proposals would be military personnel in supporting roles well behind the front line. I'm pretty sure plans are also on the way to do an end run around Trump for weapon supplies anyway.
I think that if the Democrats can take the House and not lose the Senate, then even if Trump wins there won't be much he can do. I think if the Republicans somehow retain the House with a Trump presidency then getting more support will be tough. Europe will basically be on it's own and I don't know if merely training/support units will cut it.

At the very least increased production of ammo/artillery with the UK/France supplying Storm Shadows/SCALP for use with the upcoming F-16s. Whatever air-air missiles that can be used to shut down Russian air would also be required. This would just stabilize the Ukrainian front. I am concerned about a sudden capitulation in the Ukrainian front lines. It doesn't seem likely but if they get totally cut off by the US and European support isn't enough it doesn't seem impossible.

By far a more effective step would be allowing Ukraine to use Western weapons to hit Russian military facilities inside Russia.
I mean in practice this is already happening right? The West are supplying kits and providing technical assistance with developing a lot of the long range drones coming out of Ukraine. Ukraine is also getting a lot of intelligence from the West. Look at how effective Ukrainian targeting of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been. There is basically continuous NATO ISR over the Black Sea feeding information to the Ukrainians. There have also been lots of recent strikes on Russian airbases and supply depots within Russia. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the "advisors" we know are in Ukraine are directly leading these ops.

Russia threats are huff and bluster. They know they can't win a confrontation with NATO and getting themselves nuked off the planet isn't a great fall back plan for them either.
They can't win against NATO but how about a Ukraine that has a pro-Moscow US admin?
 
If Trump wins in the upcoming elections and/or the Republicans are able to hold onto the House and continue blocking aid to Ukraine, would you be in favor of direct French intervention in Ukraine?

If so, how would that look like to you? Would you like to see French troops on the ground to prevent the capture of cities like Kyiv or Odessa? Full scale participation in offenses with combined arms? Or perhaps limited to air support for Ukraine?

An accompanying question: how does the French public generally feel about increased aid and possible intervention in Ukraine? Macron seems to be in favor but he is also on his last term.. so he might just be bold because he has nothing to lose. Besides France, and eventually Poland, I don't see other European powers directly intervening in Ukraine at this point.

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If French troops were sent I think their role would be to secure Transnistria and Belarus border freeing up 20k-30K Ukraine troops.
 
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If French troops were sent I think their role would be to secure Transnistria and Belarus border freeing up 20k-30K Ukraine troops.
I figure that deployed French troops would just be a tripwire force stationed along France's red-line regions which is why I mentioned Kyiv and Odessa. If they are at the border I don't think that would stop Russia in the long term provided the scenario of a Trump/Republican America.
 
Opening of the Russian RBK-500 SHOAB-0.5 cluster bomb in Ukraine. Russian military personnel showed the contents of the Russian RBK-500 SHOAB-0.5 cluster bomb that did not work. Technical information about the RBK-500 SHOAB-0.5 bomb is in the link to the video in the comments to the video. In the future, these bomb munitions will be used on drones.

 
I figure that deployed French troops would just be a tripwire force stationed along France's red-line regions which is why I mentioned Kyiv and Odessa. If they are at the border I don't think that would stop Russia in the long term provided the scenario of a Trump/Republican America.
I doubt Russia has enough troops to open a new front, even if they wanted to. All those open fronts killed them in the early phase of the war. The fronts open now are all they have the capacity for.
 
If Trump wins in the upcoming elections and/or the Republicans are able to hold onto the House and continue blocking aid to Ukraine, would you be in favor of direct French intervention in Ukraine?
Yeah, it'd be the golden opportunity to demonstrate why France had been right all along.
If so, how would that look like to you? Would you like to see French troops on the ground to prevent the capture of cities like Kyiv or Odessa? Full scale participation in offenses with combined arms? Or perhaps limited to air support for Ukraine?
The plan would be, at first, limited to various non-combat operations behind the frontline, like demining, training new troops, watching the borders with Transnistria and Belarus, this kind of things. If Russia tries to attack (with long range missiles), then things would escalate from there.
An accompanying question: how does the French public generally feel about increased aid and possible intervention in Ukraine? Macron seems to be in favor but he is also on his last term.. so he might just be bold because he has nothing to lose. Besides France, and eventually Poland, I don't see other European powers directly intervening in Ukraine at this point.
Russia's relays in the far left (Melenchon) and far right (Le Pen) have tried various scaremongering tactics to make this move unpopular. But they haven't managed to convince the majority of the population.
 
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By far a more effective step would be allowing Ukraine to use Western weapons to hit Russian military facilities inside Russia. Russia threats are huff and bluster. They know they can't win a confrontation with NATO and getting themselves nuked off the planet isn't a great fall back plan for them either.
The bigger question will be, is NATO ready to suffer a mutually assured destruction? Or rather, if Russia deploys tactical nukes in Kiev, will NATO be willing to go on a war with Russia? What about a nuclear war with Russia?
 
If French troops were sent I think their role would be to secure Transnistria and Belarus border freeing up 20k-30K Ukraine troops.
For Ukraine it will be ... actually a really messed up position.

What will France do if French deaths start happening in the battle? Is france going to be willing to commit fully to this war? If not, they will have to pull back troops or suffer deaths for no good reason. If they pull back, suddenly Ukraine will find itself in a position where it has over committed and left critical borders unsafe.

The core question for france will always be this: Whats France's plan in this? Are they ready to fully commit to this conflict? Or are they planning to just stay on sidelines?
 
:ROFLMAO: 🤡 When they seize Hamas's weapons, they'll be going to Ukraine as well.


 
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