Ukraine - Russia Conflict

randomradio said:
If the Russians are planning an end-all offensive this summer, the West's participation will become meaningless. If the Russians take it slow as usual, there's gonna be plenty of room to maneuver.
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They're not taking it slow, they conduct dozens of attacks every day on every battleground.

The only reason they're progressing slowly is that they receive gigantic losses.

They cannot go faster.

randomradio said:
As for Macron, I think he's just peacocking for good press knowing fully well he will be vetoed by other states.
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France is a sovereign power and other states cannot veto its military interventions. Neither the EU nor NATO put their member states' military forces under some sort of shared ownership.
randomradio said:
Direct intervention requires participation in large numbers. Would that be acceptable?

If even the standing army is not enough, some conscription/draft will be required.
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Conscription can only happen if Russia is dumb enough to attack French soil.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are there to provide the mass. France would only bring a force multiplier, such as its air force.
randomradio said:
Balls of steel.
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Balls of fire.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1778171750737498387
 
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Three passenger cars of the occupiers were destroyed by border patrol officers

 
Rajput Lion said:
Su-34 has been termed as real-workhorse by Sergei Shoigu last year. As per him these fighter-bombers are making 5-6 sorties per day at a high tempo. So in case of any war, our Flankers could also do the same. What's your opinion on this: Russian Defense Minister Calls to Speed Up Bomber Production - The Moscow Times

Last time I had a debate with @Parthu where he said that our Flankers can at best take 2 or 3 sorties max pet day. But Su-34s doing 5/6 sorties for a long time should open a new chapter in this debate, IMO.
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Those are two different metrics.

He's talking about surge-rate operations.

I had mentioned even during that conversation that even MKI can manage surge ops as demonstrated over the duration of Red Flag exercises (as can any other jet).

But that is not a sustainable rate which you can operate throughout the whole year & still have any reasonable amount of time between MRO visits. For prolonging the time the jet remains operational, you have to tone down the sortie rate.
 
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Parthu said:
Those are two different metrics.

He's talking about surge-rate operations.

I had mentioned even during that conversation that even MKI can manage surge ops as demonstrated over the duration of Red Flag exercises (as can any other jet).

But that is not a sustainable rate which you can operate throughout the whole year & still have any reasonable amount of time between MRO visits. For prolonging the time the jet remains operational, you have to tone down the sortie rate.
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But haven't these jets sustained this tempo for over 2 years now?
 
Rajput Lion said:
Su-34 has been termed as real-workhorse by Sergei Shoigu last year. As per him these fighter-bombers are making 5-6 sorties per day at a high tempo. So in case of any war, our Flankers could also do the same. What's your opinion on this: Russian Defense Minister Calls to Speed Up Bomber Production - The Moscow Times

Last time I had a debate with @Parthu where he said that our Flankers can at best take 2 or 3 sorties max pet day. But Su-34s doing 5/6 sorties for a long time should open a new chapter in this debate, IMO.
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It depends on the distance. At short distances, the sortie generation rate is higher, you lose a lot of time during transit at long distances.
 
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A Person said:
They're not taking it slow, they conduct dozens of attacks every day on every battleground.

The only reason they're progressing slowly is that they receive gigantic losses.

They cannot go faster.
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I'm talking about a new offensive. They have freshly trained troops that are yet to join the fray. It will give the Russians a massive numbers advantage once that comes to pass. What the Russians are doing right now is setting the battlefield pre-offensive.

A Person said:
France is a sovereign power and other states cannot veto its military interventions. Neither the EU nor NATO put their member states' military forces under some sort of shared ownership.
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I'm talking about him wanting an alliance-level mobilization.

A Person said:
Conscription can only happen if Russia is dumb enough to attack French soil.
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Depends on the scale of France's participation.

A Person said:
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are there to provide the mass. France would only bring a force multiplier, such as its air force.
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If France brings in air power, it will mean all-out war with Russia.

The only thing France can do without risking war is using mercenaries. You can supply both soldiers and pilots operating without the French flag.

A Person said:
Balls of fire.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1778171750737498387
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Pretty much zero chance.
 
randomradio said:
War crime.
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Bullsh!t. That was on the frontlines and there's no evidence what happened next anyway. If he's wounded, his own side should have evac'd him. Do you seriously expect the Ukrainians to go out there and do it for them? :ROFLMAO: 🤡
 
BMD said:
Bullsh!t. That was on the frontlines and there's no evidence what happened next anyway. If he's wounded, his own side should have evac'd him. Do you seriously expect the Ukrainians to go out there and do it for them? :ROFLMAO: 🤡
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Wounded + no weapon. That's a war crime.
Rajput Lion said:
Against Pakistan the former would be true too.
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Yeah, it would apply against Pakistan. Not so much against China.
 
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randomradio said:
Wounded + no weapon. That's a war crime.
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Like I said, you don't know what happened next and there's no way of knowing he's unarmed. What are all those pouches around his waste? He looks Muslim too, he could be wired with explosives. And what are they supposed to do, go into no man's land to evac him? That can't be done safely, and his own team haven't done it, so he's going to die of hunger and dehydration anyway.
 
randomradio said:
War crime.
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Nope, he's not a prisoner and there's no way for the drone to take him prisoner.

Not comparable to the Russian's mass executions of prisoners of war.
randomradio said:
I'm talking about a new offensive. They have freshly trained troops that are yet to join the fray. It will give the Russians a massive numbers advantage once that comes to pass. What the Russians are doing right now is setting the battlefield pre-offensive.
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They're leeroyjenkinsing in unarmored trucks now. What is that new offensive going to be fought on, horses?
https://twitter.com/x/status/1778426790517608763

randomradio said:
If France brings in air power, it will mean all-out war with Russia.
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I mean, in that scenario we're discussing, Russia has already decided to escalate by attacking French troops that were doing non-combat missions far behind the front lines. If Russia wants to make a reality of its constant rhetoric of being "at war with NATO", that's on them.
BMD said:
Fair point:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1778376127368638649
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Also, has anyone in the US administration heard of Potok, Plamya, and Fakel? Those are the private military companies of Gazprom. Okay, Potok was folded into Redut shortly after the failed Wagner ride to Moscow, but Plamya and Fakel are still around. Gazprom is directly operating military forces in Ukraine. That makes any Gazprom installation a military installation.
 
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