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Not much of an option. It is not exactly as if we are not taking hits too. But the proportionality is much skewed.

My disenchantment with the present dispensation's policy is that there is a limit to how long one can keep imposing costs purely through diplomatic and military means. The third dimension - the one which is missing, is an major upscaling in (c)overt action to work on dissolution of the state from within.

The only way that India as a nation can remain safe, and here I would especially like to recall my friend Vijies (have I got it right @_Anonymous_ ?), is by launching a sustained campaign against Islamic fundamentalism, both within and without the Indian territories. India needs to shrug off the baggage of partition that has seen us adopt policies that have not only encouraged but emboldened sustained attacks against the unified fabric of Indian society in name of secularism.
Buddy, You have quoted Kautilya so often, Please read how he defeated a much stronger Magadh Empire. The strife within is not an solution in itself. The final push must come thru war.
 
Not much of an option. It is not exactly as if we are not taking hits too. But the proportionality is much skewed.

My disenchantment with the present dispensation's policy is that there is a limit to how long one can keep imposing costs purely through diplomatic and military means. The third dimension - the one which is missing, is an major upscaling in (c)overt action to work on dissolution of the state from within.

The only way that India as a nation can remain safe, and here I would especially like to recall my friend Vijies (have I got it right @_Anonymous_ ?), is by launching a sustained campaign against Islamic fundamentalism, both within and without the Indian territories. India needs to shrug off the baggage of partition that has seen us adopt policies that have not only encouraged but emboldened sustained attacks against the unified fabric of Indian society in name of secularism.
Vijyes aka Kshitij Sharma aka Advaidhya aka Pachawry aka The Enlightened aka Janardhan Shukla. Though in all fairness he didn't use the username Vijyes here. That was in PDF. Like @screambowl he was batty in a way @randomradio can never be.Minus the optimism too.Like screambowl his rants did have a grain of truth in it. Mind you, only a grain, nothing more. Like screambowl, he needed help too. Since he's absent from this forum for such a long time, I suspect he's getting it. Unlike screambowl.
 
Not much of an option. It is not exactly as if we are not taking hits too. But the proportionality is much skewed.

My disenchantment with the present dispensation's policy is that there is a limit to how long one can keep imposing costs purely through diplomatic and military means. The third dimension - the one which is missing, is an major upscaling in (c)overt action to work on dissolution of the state from within.

The only way that India as a nation can remain safe, and here I would especially like to recall my friend Vijies (have I got it right @_Anonymous_ ?), is by launching a sustained campaign against Islamic fundamentalism, both within and without the Indian territories. India needs to shrug off the baggage of partition that has seen us adopt policies that have not only encouraged but emboldened sustained attacks against the unified fabric of Indian society in name of secularism.

Has the present leadership agreed in principle that we need to take out Pakistan?
 
To answer the second question first, I assert that the new IBGs in th envisoned configuration are far superior in concentration and balance of firepower as compared to the erstwhile heavy tier 1 formations referred to (1 armored div of 2000s for example). Sure on paper the IBGs are short on firepower vs the tier 1 formations. However as history will prove, none of the elements of tier 1 formations of IA of equivalent size have been able to operate cohesively in wars.

The successful implementation of such intense assaults will depend heavily on IA's ability to quickly concentrate accurate, overwhelming firepower against positions. That requires a degree of air superiority and the availablity of intense CAS aircrafts. A well placed strike by 4 ACs dropping 2000 pounders guided by ground CAS controllers can demolish strongpoints in a single blow, and render denfenders incapable of combat.


Just commenting on specific extracts from another informative post by @DivineHeretic

For the Para 1 above, adding on: The present Strike Corps will have their inherent divisions operating on different axes, often separated by scores of miles. This may induce concentration of greater forces along an axis, yet, in order to create a 'reserve' or to 'not stretch thin', the commander may be tempted to only use forces along 1 or 2 axes. This may still leave a substantial force, which is devoid of devolution of decision making capacity to act as small groups to exploit emergent opportunities as enemy may be forced to switch forces. This can be circumvented to a large extent by the IBGs.

For Para 2: This is the aspect that I am more concerned about, and why I was batting for a FW CAS component to be inducted into the Indian Army Aviation.
 
Buddy, You have quoted Kautilya so often, Please read how he defeated a much stronger Magadh Empire. The strife within is not an solution in itself. The final push must come thru war.


No two views on that sir. Yet, the timing is of essence, for it can make or break nations.
 
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Just commenting on specific extracts from another informative post by @DivineHeretic

For the Para 1 above, adding on: The present Strike Corps will have their inherent divisions operating on different axes, often separated by scores of miles. This may induce concentration of greater forces along an axis, yet, in order to create a 'reserve' or to 'not stretch thin', the commander may be tempted to only use forces along 1 or 2 axes. This may still leave a substantial force, which is devoid of devolution of decision making capacity to act as small groups to exploit emergent opportunities as enemy may be forced to switch forces. This can be circumvented to a large extent by the IBGs.

For Para 2: This is the aspect that I am more concerned about, and why I was batting for a FW CAS component to be inducted into the Indian Army Aviation.
While I agree with your assesment, I would like to make it more specific for Pakistan. What you have posted is correct when we are fighting an enemy like USA or Russia or China. w.r.t Pakistan, the game is very predictable. In Indo-Pak situation, AAC with rotary platforms vl be a game changer.
 
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I thought that military usually have access to much higher resolution maps than google stuff.


Ex-post-facto.

In real time, satellite time entails consumption of resources. There is a very prevalent thought, encouraged by GoI and MoD, in armed forces - the best equipment is not to be used as it is for war.

Forget how will operator use it if he/she is not trained on it.

Satellite time is such a premium that asking for it is like asking for somebody's ancestral property.
 
While I agree with your assesment, I would like to make it more specific for Pakistan. What you have posted is correct when we are fighting an enemy like USA or Russia or China. w.r.t Pakistan, the game is very predictable. In Indo-Pak situation, AAC with rotary platforms vl be a game changer.


Sir, honestly, I would prefer FWs too. I know what we are capable of.

"Lions for Lambs" is also valid for us.
 
Sir, honestly, I would prefer FWs too. I know what we are capable of.

"Lions for Lambs" is also valid for us.
I had posted my views on that thread initiated by you. I do believe that all CAS assets must be with IA only. But a slow moving FW aircraft will get butchered by enemy troops. I had written about my own experience while exercising with MLI Regimental Center. Believe me it is very scary to see every gun aimed at you. Helicopters allow us to remain out of harms way and do stand off strikes. The normal PKT gun firing from an helicopter has more range with same ammo compared to a gun fired from ground as the gravity adds to the bullet velocity. The hepters always outrange any gun on ground. My late elder Brother, 73rd regular, 10th Dogra to Laddakh Scouts to 6th JAKLI joined AAC and underwent training with 143 PC of IAF as a Captain. If you have seen Koyla movie of SRK with Madhuri Dikshit, you will see him fly the hepter which chased SRK and SRK is on record to say that he never saw such flying ever by hepter pilots. Army guys know their job and know what happens if they fail to deliver as the jawans on ground are their own who wear same uniform. While I agree with you that all CAS assests should be with IA, I do have disagreement regarding FW assets. Its my personal opinion.
 
Ex-post-facto.

In real time, satellite time entails consumption of resources. There is a very prevalent thought, encouraged by GoI and MoD, in armed forces - the best equipment is not to be used as it is for war.

Forget how will operator use it if he/she is not trained on it.

Satellite time is such a premium that asking for it is like asking for somebody's ancestral property.

i agree that in fast grabbing mode the resolution will be low. Does the military has to pay for getting the satellite images?
 
@Falcon, let me share an experience of flying with AAC guys. I got married in 1991 and drove down with my wife to Jhansi where my elder brother was posted at that time. I had planned my honeymoon in Khajuaraho. I stayed with my elder brother there. Next day I went to his squadron and he requested his CO if he could take me for a flight. I was serving in IN as a fighter pilot but on leave. yet the CO okayed it. My brother did nap of the earth flying at just 10 feet from ground. I am a decklander but after that got such a scare that I am mortally scared of flying in a helicopter now. I have never seen anyone hop across trees. That is what IA AAC does. As you gain height, the feeling of speed reduces. As a Fighter pilot I doing 480kts at 200feet and a helicopter doing 120kts at 10 feet was more scary. If you ever been to go cart racing, you will realise that those 40kmph carts give you more adreline rush than a formula one car becuase they are so close to ground.
 
Brigadier Raj Khanna, SM, VSM (V) (@Brig_Raj) Tweeted:
5 PART SERIES
UAV intrusion in Punjab leads to anti-drone solutions.
1.DRONE GUN
It jams the signal between hostile drone & drone pilot, thereby grounding it.
Range 2 Km.
2.DRONE CATCHERS
Capable of locking onto hostile UAV in air & net it from upto 20 mtrs away..1/5 ( )


Brigadier Raj Khanna, SM, VSM (V) (@Brig_Raj) Tweeted:
3. SKY WALL
Shoulder mounted cannon,uses compressed air to launch a net that brings down enemy drone from100 mtrs in 1 piece.
4. SKY FENCE
System uses series of signal disruptors, mounted on Towers to jam flight guidance of drones, disrupt direction & total disorientation....2/5 ( )


Brigadier Raj Khanna, SM, VSM (V) (@Brig_Raj) Tweeted:
5.ATHENA
US made 30 KV Giant Lasers mounted on Towers which blast multiple hostile UAVs out of the sky.
6.DRONE MALWARE
Hacking an enemy drone in midair, before it can damage is a great feat. Malware kills on-board autopilot, takes control remotely & bringing it home safely..3/5 ( )



Brigadier Raj Khanna, SM, VSM (V) (@Brig_Raj) Tweeted:
7.RAYTHON PHASER
System uses microwaves to disable hostile drones weighing
< 20 kg & flying at altitudes upto 3,500' at speeds upto 200 knots. It disrupts hostile drone's electric field.
Mounted on tower/ trucks, Phaser can destroy 33 drones, 3 at a time. .......4/5 Brigadier Raj Khanna, SM, VSM (V) on Twitter ( )


Brigadier Raj Khanna, SM, VSM (V) (@Brig_Raj) Tweeted:
8.INTERCEPTOR
Anti drone "Drone". Designed to bring down hostile UAVs by smashing into them from under-neath at > 160kms. ......5/5

5 PART SERIES - MUST READ Brigadier Raj Khanna, SM, VSM (V) on Twitter ( )


General saheb wants us to use a scimitar to cut onions for our salad

What is the point of investing million of dollars for detecting / shooting / disabling down 500+ dollar commercial drones.

Cheap and effective home grown solutions are already available

But it seems as usual the concerned officials are totally clueless about it

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We need to do strict retaliation against this , otherwise it will become the norm.
Also one cannot seal the entire IB against intrusion by these commercial drones , so this por........ mischief must be stopped with high handedness and very severe punishments across the border.

As usual every body concerned is either sleeping or does not care. When Indians will die from the arms and explosives being dropped by the drones then they will maybe think about it
 
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Why do they even post such stuff... Can't make out anything from it...
I understand that due to security and other measures they can't post high resolution stuff. But posting images like those gives a impression that military is quite low tech actually.
 
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