Lok Sabha passes Citizenship Bill amidst Opposition outcry
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And a chutiyap reply. here is the twitter account https://twitter.com/syedmohdyasir3
Also Check the "fake news buster" Altnews " Man holding viral placard falsely compared with a Twitter user with Muslim identity - Alt News comparing two pics taken from different angle. However :
1. The hairline is similar
2. haircut is similar
3. Dark circle patter is same
4. Crease lines on both side of the nose is same.
@nair
I wanted to report somebody posting slang in unidentified language most probably at the mods
I google translated it , Google said dead Iranian language .
How is it possible
I wanted to report somebody posting slang in unidentified language most probably at the mods
I google translated it , Google said dead Iranian language .
How is it possible
Ohhhh@nair
I wanted to report somebody posting slang in unidentified language most probably at the mods
I google translated it , Google said dead Iranian language .
How is it possible
Now you understand our pain
The garbage we have to wade through in this threads
How can aristocrats understand the pain of plebs , story of India from 1947 to 2014
Azadi from garbage inshallah inshallah
I've always said it.
There is a significant class and education (as different from technical training) differential between the sanghi and the secular sides.
In itself this is a class war.
Not religious. At its core. A social revolution.
The irony being that the sanghis classwise are the social mirror opposites of those they hate.
Cheers, Doc
The yes man problem: On a host of issues, BJP doesn’t encourage independent opinion within the party
December 21, 2019, 4:00 AM IST Chetan Bhagat in TOI Edit Page | Edit Page, India | TOI
Several years ago, director Ram Gopal Varma wrote a candid post in the aftermath of ‘Ram Gopal Varma Ki Aag,’ a remake of the classic Sholay. Aag was an epic disaster. In a rare admission, RGV blogged about how he reinterpreted individual moments of the original film and people around him reacted enthusiastically. For instance, RGV said what if we change ‘Kitne Aadmi the’ to ‘Kitne?’ and the room burst into praise. From there, the director kept on improvising moments of the legendary film, but lost the plot and emotional core of the original movie.
According to his post: “The most dangerous thing a filmmaker can be subjected to … is to be surrounded by people who will not tell him the truth or lie to him. Not necessarily by intention to harm him but it could just be to please him or are scared of him or psyched by him or in cases they take it for granted that the filmmaker knows what he is doing.”
The reason i mention this incident is that political leaders face the same risk. Of yes-men surrounding the leader and not alerting them to the truth or what could go wrong. The reason for hiding the truth could be many, sucking up to the leader is just one of them. Fear, belief in the leader’s vision and not wanting to dampen the enthusiasm are others.
The current leadership too, does not seem immune to the yes-men culture. Four major decisions taken by this government – demonetisation, GST implementation, repeal of Article 370 and now the Citizenship (Amendment) Act, have all had issues after their announcements. Demonetisation didn’t give the intended benefits and caused an economic slowdown we are still reeling from today. GST implementation was clunky and there is still a lot of complexity in a reform meant to make things simple. Repeal of Article 370 was followed by internet shutdown in Kashmir, which continue until this day implying things are not normal, months after the change.
Illustration: Chad Crowe
The latest one, CAA, has also had an adverse reaction, including nationwide student protests that the government probably didn’t anticipate. In a rare situation, opposition to the law is coming from two different quarters. The first, are Assamese people and north-easterners who don’t want any immigrants at all. The second set don’t want CAA to discriminate on the basis of religion. It does seem that CAA needed better timing, much better wording, a long period of public consultations to build consensus and frankly, better intentions.
The government is touting the law as a compassionate measure to help persecuted refugees. However, it seems to have been done to manage the north-east’s demographics and politics. These areas see an influx of Bangladeshi immigrants, both Hindu and Muslim. Hindus vote BJP, Muslims don’t. So keeping immigrant Hindus around must have seemed like a great idea, in terms of a solid vote bank as well as signalling to the broader BJP vote base nationwide.
Of course, Assamese people don’t want either Hindus or Muslims from Bangladesh. Neither did the move win that many brownie points in BJP’s core base. But it did cause enormous PR damage, especially due to images of crackdowns on student protests. Videos of the Jamia protests alone went viral worldwide, bringing shame to our country. We wait and see where the government will go with CAA. At present, apart from a face saving and ego preserving exercise, keeping the act doesn’t seem worth it.
The bigger issue is that such blowups seem to happen at regular intervals with BJP. Leave aside the morality of constantly stirring the Hindu-Muslim pot, which is never a good idea in a country like India anyway. Even if one were to accept BJP’s mandate of favouring Hindus to keep their base happy, CAA seemed a major miss in terms of timing, wording and the intended benefits versus the risks.
Timing wise, from BJP’s perspective, Hindu-Muslim issues should be dealt with infrequently, perhaps once every two years. But BJP just did Article 370 in August. Then the Ram Mandir judgment came in favour of Hindus a month ago. Was it really necessary to shove another one down Muslim throats? Is that the deal BJP has with its base? Every week is insult-a-Muslim week? The reason why CAA saw a disproportionate reaction is because the Muslims are getting pushed to the wall, with one decision after another in quick succession.
Does BJP not realise the economy is seeing the slowest growth in the past six years (or ever since they came to power)? Do they not know that constantly stirring the Hindu-Muslim pot, apart from being abhorrent, is also going to have a bad effect on investor sentiment and therefore our growth? Do they not realise that the headlines we want right now are about our economic recovery, and not videos of female students in hijab in a face-off with baton wielding cops?
The fact that many major decisions of the government have had poor fallouts, indicates that something is not right about the decision making process inside it. Yes-men surround the leadership. Sane voices, talented individuals and people with independent opinions are not encouraged. Given that BJP kept winning politically, changing this culture is extraordinarily hard. However, if it doesn’t change, we will continue to have such situations as today until one day, we have another policy that’s the equivalent of RGV Ki Aag. Or worse still, just aag hi aag on the streets.
DISCLAIMER : Views expressed above are the author's own.
AUTHOR
Chetan Bhagat
Chetan Bhagat is a bestselling author and a popular newspaper columnist.
Chetan Bhagat speaking sense for a change.
Another closet sanghi swinging over ....
Cheers, Doc
The yes man problem: On a host of issues, BJP doesn’t encourage independent opinion within the party
December 21, 2019, 4:00 AM IST Chetan Bhagat in TOI Edit Page | Edit Page, India | TOI
Several years ago, director Ram Gopal Varma wrote a candid post in the aftermath of ‘Ram Gopal Varma Ki Aag,’ a remake of the classic Sholay. Aag was an epic disaster. In a rare admission, RGV blogged about how he reinterpreted individual moments of the original film and people around him reacted enthusiastically. For instance, RGV said what if we change ‘Kitne Aadmi the’ to ‘Kitne?’ and the room burst into praise. From there, the director kept on improvising moments of the legendary film, but lost the plot and emotional core of the original movie.
According to his post: “The most dangerous thing a filmmaker can be subjected to … is to be surrounded by people who will not tell him the truth or lie to him. Not necessarily by intention to harm him but it could just be to please him or are scared of him or psyched by him or in cases they take it for granted that the filmmaker knows what he is doing.”
The reason i mention this incident is that political leaders face the same risk. Of yes-men surrounding the leader and not alerting them to the truth or what could go wrong. The reason for hiding the truth could be many, sucking up to the leader is just one of them. Fear, belief in the leader’s vision and not wanting to dampen the enthusiasm are others.
The current leadership too, does not seem immune to the yes-men culture. Four major decisions taken by this government – demonetisation, GST implementation, repeal of Article 370 and now the Citizenship (Amendment) Act, have all had issues after their announcements. Demonetisation didn’t give the intended benefits and caused an economic slowdown we are still reeling from today. GST implementation was clunky and there is still a lot of complexity in a reform meant to make things simple. Repeal of Article 370 was followed by internet shutdown in Kashmir, which continue until this day implying things are not normal, months after the change.
Illustration: Chad Crowe
The latest one, CAA, has also had an adverse reaction, including nationwide student protests that the government probably didn’t anticipate. In a rare situation, opposition to the law is coming from two different quarters. The first, are Assamese people and north-easterners who don’t want any immigrants at all. The second set don’t want CAA to discriminate on the basis of religion. It does seem that CAA needed better timing, much better wording, a long period of public consultations to build consensus and frankly, better intentions.
The government is touting the law as a compassionate measure to help persecuted refugees. However, it seems to have been done to manage the north-east’s demographics and politics. These areas see an influx of Bangladeshi immigrants, both Hindu and Muslim. Hindus vote BJP, Muslims don’t. So keeping immigrant Hindus around must have seemed like a great idea, in terms of a solid vote bank as well as signalling to the broader BJP vote base nationwide.
Of course, Assamese people don’t want either Hindus or Muslims from Bangladesh. Neither did the move win that many brownie points in BJP’s core base. But it did cause enormous PR damage, especially due to images of crackdowns on student protests. Videos of the Jamia protests alone went viral worldwide, bringing shame to our country. We wait and see where the government will go with CAA. At present, apart from a face saving and ego preserving exercise, keeping the act doesn’t seem worth it.
The bigger issue is that such blowups seem to happen at regular intervals with BJP. Leave aside the morality of constantly stirring the Hindu-Muslim pot, which is never a good idea in a country like India anyway. Even if one were to accept BJP’s mandate of favouring Hindus to keep their base happy, CAA seemed a major miss in terms of timing, wording and the intended benefits versus the risks.
Timing wise, from BJP’s perspective, Hindu-Muslim issues should be dealt with infrequently, perhaps once every two years. But BJP just did Article 370 in August. Then the Ram Mandir judgment came in favour of Hindus a month ago. Was it really necessary to shove another one down Muslim throats? Is that the deal BJP has with its base? Every week is insult-a-Muslim week? The reason why CAA saw a disproportionate reaction is because the Muslims are getting pushed to the wall, with one decision after another in quick succession.
Does BJP not realise the economy is seeing the slowest growth in the past six years (or ever since they came to power)? Do they not know that constantly stirring the Hindu-Muslim pot, apart from being abhorrent, is also going to have a bad effect on investor sentiment and therefore our growth? Do they not realise that the headlines we want right now are about our economic recovery, and not videos of female students in hijab in a face-off with baton wielding cops?
The fact that many major decisions of the government have had poor fallouts, indicates that something is not right about the decision making process inside it. Yes-men surround the leadership. Sane voices, talented individuals and people with independent opinions are not encouraged. Given that BJP kept winning politically, changing this culture is extraordinarily hard. However, if it doesn’t change, we will continue to have such situations as today until one day, we have another policy that’s the equivalent of RGV Ki Aag. Or worse still, just aag hi aag on the streets.
DISCLAIMER : Views expressed above are the author's own.
AUTHOR
Chetan BhagatChetan Bhagat is a bestselling author and a popular newspaper columnist.
Chetan Bhagat speaking sense for a change.
Another closet sanghi swinging over ....
Cheers, Doc
The yes man problem: On a host of issues, BJP doesn’t encourage independent opinion within the party
People are dumping secularism en-mass. I am not saying it's right or wrong but that's what trend shows. Even those who used to curse Modi day and night are finding themselves without any leg to stand on after vandalism and hateful sloganeering during protests. Yes, they may not like Modi and can't be classified as Bhakts but they have to make do with to survive because other side is getting toxic and suffocating.
In brief, people saw trailer of direct action day part 2.
I think this is a reflection of the people we surround ourselves with and the social milieu we move in.
For I'm seeing exactly the opposite.
I'm seeing hardcore sanghis extremely uneasy for some time now with the economics of our nation.
Vikas has long since left the building. I believe he was never even in the remote vicinity, right from the beginning in 2014. These guys came in with a set agenda. They know they will not get another chance. They are making the big push. Hoping that once done, even if thrown out of power, which they will, it will be very difficult to undo. Such are the political circumstances today.
The perfect Hindutva storm. And these guys are smart enough to recognise the rapidly closing window.
I'm seeing hardcore sanghis disgusted with Rape in India.
What use of a Hindu Rashtra, and a foot on the throat of the hated Muslim, when you're not sure if your daughter is going to come back home safe in the evening everyday?
That has truly shaken a lot of sanghis. Especially since as always Modi maintains a studied silence.
He was in Poona inaugurating some museum of shit the day after the Hyderabad burning.
You have little idea of the disgust in many circles at that.
The barb of Maun Mohan Singh is now equally applicable to this otherwise loudmouth.
And Maharashtra is a culmination of sons of the soil rebelling against what they see as alien influences. This is a powerful message and formula.
The NCP and the Shiv Sena and the Congress coming together in the Aghadi Mshamanch boldly declares pan India that now where the BJP is concerned there are no untouchables. No political equations that are sacrosanct.
Bihar and Jharkhand are next. And the BJP knows well what a strong ally and how reliable Nitish is.
And now this push to the lakshman rekha.
It's the perfect storm. But this time it's brewing for secular forces.
And where the BJP and Hindutva are concerned, there is nothing standing between secular Hindu forces and the Muslims coming together.
In fact, as seen with the apex Hindu rightwing Shiv Sena, there is nothing stopping them from teaming up with more moderate secular Hindu forces either.
It's now a fight between our Hindu identity and our Sanghi mutant.
Hope that explains.
Cheers, Doc
Buddy can you tell me how a Hindu Rashtra will make your life better than it already is?
It's a serious question.
Id appreciate if you try and answer it seriously without moving to foreign chicks and fantasies thereof.
Cheers, Doc
Since you are endangered species i will answer you , that's the only reason , i want to not have that burden on me .
You got options what type of answer you want
1. JNU /JMI style answer
2. Muzzie style answer
3. Pappu style answer
4. sickular style answer
5. Libtard style answer
6. presstitude type answer
7. Bharat tere tukre honge insha allah type answer
8. Imran Khan Niazi / india national congress style answer ( from Congress Turkish office )
9. When All Idols Will Be Removed...Only Allah’s Name Will Remain aka IIT K style answer
10. Fuk O* hindutva banner style answer
etc
etc
etc
if you want more options don't hesitate , and i will be referincing from videos of hindu women begging 2 legged pigs for mercy before being raped for being a hindu and butchered Hindus who nobody gave a fuk about etc etc
I don't have to be scared that angry mobs of Muslims would burn my mother alive in trains.
The first train that was attacked and burned in Bengal was Coromandel Exp. The same train that my parents board from Chennai sometimes while returning from my mother's cancer treatment. I have relatives in North Bengal who can't come to Kolkata for their essential work because Jihadis have uprooted every railline. They are old and can't take buses (and North Bengal State Transport buses have been set on fire too). They don't have enough money for airplanes.
This is as personal for me. I will see those jihadis burn before they can burn my mother in another Godhra. It is as simple as that. Economics etc come later. First, I need to survive from these rabid jihadis coming out of masjids and setting trains on fire.
Hindu Rashtra might be awful (I don't know yet), but I don't have to return from university all worried because some jihadis have a hard on for burning other people.
You have truly underestimated the anger people have for the things that have been done past few days. And I'm saying this as a student in a liberal left university in Kolkata, one very well known from its anti-BJP stances. There are many liberals, but the no of fence sitters falling towards BJP is also pretty big.
Thank you for that personal answer.
So I'm assuming the fact that India is not yet a Hindu Rashtra is preventing these ghastly things from ceasing.
Why is that?
BJP is the champion oh hard right Hindutva.
And they are in their second term.
Surely if they cannot protect you, no one can?
Cheers, Doc
Nupur J Sharma (@UnSubtleDesi) Tweeted:
Meerut: Anti-CAA rioters trap RAF police forces in a house and try to burn them alive, 4 rioters killed after bullets fly from both sides
Anti-CAA rioters attack police forces in Meerut with guns and stones ( )
Looks like the peacefuls have come fully armed for a peaceful protest. This is increasingly morphing into a Muslim vs Police riot.
Meerut: Anti-CAA rioters trap RAF police forces in a house and try to burn them alive, 4 rioters killed after bullets fly from both sides
Anti-CAA rioters attack police forces in Meerut with guns and stones ( )
Looks like the peacefuls have come fully armed for a peaceful protest. This is increasingly morphing into a Muslim vs Police riot.
West Bengal is under Mamata. Just so you know, no police was sent in any riots for days because she needs her Muslims votebanks. The areas these happened in are exclusively Muslims areas and are closest to Indo-Bangladesh border and are well known as illegal immigrant areas.
No one has burnt a train in rest of India. Only this *censored*ing WB under Jihadi Mamata. She didn't even send a single water canon when jihadis were attacking in Park Circus, which is in middle of Kolkata. You know what she sends water cannons for? BJP people marching with mosquito nets against the Dengue epidemic. That's how low her threshold is when non-muslims are concerned.
So why don't you vote BJP to power?
Why try to do something radical as attempting to change the ground rules of the entire nation?
How will that help you is what I'm trying to understand.
Will these rioting Bengali/Bangla Muslims magically disappear?
Where?
Cheers, Doc