Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

https://twitter.com/x/status/1232966244506226689

Watch this Clip and SEE how Gloomy is
Ghafoor' s FACE and eyes

He knows the Truth

Secondly the reporters sitting there are
ALSO Gloomy

Everybody must have heard the news before the Cameras were switched on and that Statement recorded for the media

If only Indian plane had crashed the Reporters would have started CLAPPING and slogan shouting " Allah O Akbar " or whatever
 
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safriz said:
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No offense but Alan Warnes is PAF's personal dog, the Golden Retriever kind and not the rottweiler tyoe, with a compulsive need to please PAF, his paymaster and only source of relevance. PAF AIR marshal could order Warnes to go down on him and he'd do so enthusiastically, and then brag about the honor in Twitter, describing the action as a victory of the mighty PAF. A person without a shred of journalistic ethics and integrity. Not the neutral source to quote anywhere, anytime.

Two planes went down that day, 10-12 km apart. Of that there is no doubt at all. And both fell into POK. If there was a second IAF aircraft, PA and DGISPR would have driven his Rangerover right over his troops to be the first guy to show the second Su30MKI. The very fact that PA refuses to talk about the second aircraft that fell from the skies into POK is itself an indicator by omission

Finally, people simply do not understand the sheer size of the MKI. It's as big as a B-25 Liberator and nearly as big as a B-17. That's massive. For contemporary comparison it's nearly the size of ATR aircrafts. It's impossible to hide the crash of something that large, with some 2000-3000kg of fuel, no matter where it crashes.
 
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Saaho said:
Why the hell they went for "sharpnel" bombs and not simply blow the shit with a massive over-pressure?
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'Cause we apparently didn't have the high explosive version of Spice.

Why the hell are we not showing the SAR sat images?
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The SAR images are from Israel and they do not want those to be revealed.

Whats with this "secrecy of capability" bullshit? Our adversaries do know our capabilities. Heck, even acknowledging that we have pictures will give them fair idea about it.
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They actually do not know. The SAR images are extremely high precision and only a few such satellites are in orbit.

2. We shot a F-16 down. There is a high probability that two planes went down on 27th besides a self goal by IAF. One was our Mig-21. Which one was the other? I don't know. Its likely it was a Pakistani Jet simply because Pakistan could not produce any consistent version of their side of story. Which weapon shot it? Again, we don't know.
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Both answers are known.
 
randomradio said:
'Cause we apparently didn't have the high explosive version of Spice.
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SPICE is merely a guidance kit. Are you telling me that we don't have dumb bombs of 1000 KG weight? The narrative given in the wire/ the print is that the ammunition used in SPICE was a bunker buster with less explosive and heavy metal cover to generate a lot of shrapnels.
 
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The SAR images are from Israel and they do not want those to be revealed.
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Then degrade the images. Re-sample them to lower resolution. Redact parts.
randomradio said:
Both answers are known.
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Honestly, we have only heard nice words from IAF and no material evidence. I might be able to accept it purely on faith but it does not stand the scrutiny of an objective examination. At best we have a strong circumstantial evidence, handed to us by stupidity of Pakistan. Its a shame that we have direct evidence but not revealing it.
 
Saaho said:
SPICE is merely a guidance kit. Are you telling me that we don't have dumb bombs of 1000 KG weight? The narrative given in the wire/ the print is that the ammunition used in SPICE was a bunker buster with less explosive and heavy metal cover to generate a lot of shrapnels.
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SPICE is a guidance kit developed in Israel. We can't simply buy the kit and then attach it to our own dumb bombs, we have to buy the entire thing from Israel. Unfortunately it wasn't done, which the IAF has corrected since.

IAF receives Spice-2000 'building blaster' buster bombs

The version used in Balakot was the fragmentation type which killed people without significantly damaging the building itself.

Personally, I think the fragmentation type was used so the Pak govt can deny the attacks took place after. But I think the damage was far too significant for it to be buried by the Pak govt. If you can recall, the targets at Muzaffarabad and Chakoti were never mentioned by Pakistan, so they did deny attacks happened there.

Also, cloud cover prevented India's optical high res cameras from taking pictures as well. So stuff that we could

In hindsight, the IAF should have left a mark that could be captured by low res satellites. But before the attacks, it was obvious the GoI was willing to help Pakistan save face. That's why winning this info war doesn't make sense to me. GoI was never interested in such a game before the attack. However GoI failed to take Pakistan's shamelessness into account, so we will see the IAF leaving a mark in the future. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose if we do that.
 
randomradio said:
obvious the GoI was willing to help Pakistan save face.
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This does not compute. You will like to rub it to the enemy so the terrorists find the cover given by Pakistan dubious. This act should have been MASSIVELY public. I think entire narrative is mistaken.
 
Saaho said:
This does not compute. You will like to rub it to the enemy so the terrorists find the cover given by Pakistan dubious. This act should have been MASSIVELY public. I think entire narrative is mistaken.
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Yep, as I stated, in hindsight it was a mistake. But it would have been a good move if Pak had decided not to make the strike public.

We would much rather have an enemy that quietly takes a beating, like what's happening at the LoC now, rather than have them make public announcements every time India does something to Pakistan. For example, there's no mention of Pakistani brigadiers being killed at LoC. Tomorrow what is a general is killed? Let's just kill them quietly rather than make a fuss about it. Or else all it does is risk financial auditors decrease our ratings and investments will slow down.

One of the biggest reasons why GoI likes to keep things quiet.
 
safriz said:
😅😅😅😅
Indians and their fantasies ...
So.... Indian UAV are freely roaming in our Azad Kashmir ? 😁😁
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Actually, not a fantasy. Own side UAVS move along LC and overfly PA positions quite frequently now. Somehow, PAF has moved into depth areas and are surprisingly (and sensibly?) not challenging them. Probably as a consequence of the ROEs being changed by GoI whereby the constraints of not firing across LC have been removed and IAF has been made weapons free.

The change on ground is that today escalatory matrix is being controlled by India.
 
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randomradio said:
Yep, as I stated, in hindsight it was a mistake. But it would have been a good move if Pak had decided not to make the strike public.

We would much rather have an enemy that quietly takes a beating, like what's happening at the LoC now, rather than have them make public announcements every time India does something to Pakistan. For example, there's no mention of Pakistani brigadiers being killed at LoC. Tomorrow what is a general is killed? Let's just kill them quietly rather than make a fuss about it. Or else all it does is risk financial auditors decrease our ratings and investments will slow down.

One of the biggest reasons why GoI likes to keep things quiet.
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If the intent of GOI after balakot was to keep quiet, what would GOI have said to the indian public, to show them that pulwama was avenged.. ? because the public was baying for blood.
 
Falcon said:
Actually, not a fantasy. Own side UAVS move along LC and overfly PA positions quite frequently now. Somehow, PAF has moved into depth areas and are surprisingly (and sensibly?) not challenging them. Probably as a consequence of the ROEs being changed by GoI whereby the constraints of not firing across LC have been removed and IAF has been made weapons free.

The change on ground is that today escalatory matrix is being controlled by India.
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@The Deterrent
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If the intent of GOI after balakot was to keep quiet, what would GOI have said to the indian public, to show them that pulwama was avenged.. ? because the public was baying for blood.
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The surprise was the Pakistanis announced first, not us.

Our official statement came in so much later.

Shaktimaan said:
Lol, u guys are still discussing this 🤣
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1 year anniversary after all.
 
Saaho said:
At best we have a strong circumstantial evidence, handed to us by stupidity of Pakistan. Its a shame that we have direct evidence but not revealing it.
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Let us list The Circumstantial Evidence and Actual Evidence in A Chronological Order ( Chronology is the favourite word in India at this time ):ROFLMAO:

1. Abhinandan saw the R 73 hit The F 16

2. Multiple reports of "Do Pilots " / Doosra Banda by Pakistani civilians who lynched their own pilot -- those videos still exist

Abhinandan was running for 45 minutes from the Crowd till he was captured

3 . Ghafoor' s Gaffe in a PC
Where he said " Do Pilots " and
Injured pilot sent to CMH Hospital

4. Then they said we have only one pilot in
Custody -- having realised that he was their Own

Then PAF launched CSAR helicopter because they were looking for their own guy ,When One F 16 did Not come back

5 . RADAR images on the Ground and AWACS by Indian Air force

6. Indian Forward troops having Radio Intercepts confirming Pak Army Chatter

7 . Multiple Twitter , Facebook posts by Pakistani people including one on PDF that Pilot in CMH died

8 . If you have seen Sameer Joshi's analysis , then they have even analysed the different Videos and proved they are 2
Different Material Objects

Now these are what we Know
And be Rest Assured that Both US and Indian Intelligence have sufficient resources in Pakistan to know the truth

My belief is that US has asked India not to further push this issue since it involves an American Fighter Plane
 
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Falcon said:
Actually, not a fantasy. Own side UAVS move along LC and overfly PA positions quite frequently now. Somehow, PAF has moved into depth areas and are surprisingly (and sensibly?) not challenging them. Probably as a consequence of the ROEs being changed by GoI whereby the constraints of not firing across LC have been removed and IAF has been made weapons free.

The change on ground is that today escalatory matrix is being controlled by India.
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Don't flatter yourself.
Your quadcopters don't need PAF.
Pakistan army shoots them down regularly.
 
safriz said:
Don't flatter yourself.
Your quadcopters don't need PAF.
Pakistan army shoots them down regularly.
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You have not heard of HALE drones

And do you know why PAF stays away from LOC

It is not just because of Long Range BVR missiles

It is because the F 16 got shot down DID NOT get any Warning on its RWR

The R 73 E IR Seeker automatically locked on to your F 16 and your F 16 was smashed in front

Your Amraams were wasted because they were Radar guided and Elta jammers failed them
 
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You know these guys did not read Sameer Joshi' Analysis

I did again today carefully and two points struck me

1 Inspite of the Active BARCAP , Abhinandan barged in 10 km , That was a serious tactical failure on their Part

2 How the R 73 Seeker
Automatically locks on to the target
And IR guided missile R 73 is a huge threat till 30 KM , the Enemy RWR did not
Know that a missile is approaching

With no warning R 73 smashed into F 16

Now the take away for India is.
That the Rules of Engagement have
Changed

We can fire anytime

SU 30 with its IRST and Even better Radar and long range AAMs is going to kill them

Therefore they are staying at a safe distance now
 
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