DRDO Very short-range air-defence system (VSHORADS) : MANPAD Developments
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Indian Army to get 2 air defence systems to fight enemy aircraft, drones
The defence ministry cleared the acquisition of a very short range air defence for the Army to protect the Indo-China border against the enemy, aircraft and drones flying in the area.
Going ahead we'd need a lot of anti drone targeting systems there & later on the LoC too . Countries are already developing / have developed miniature A2A & A2G missiles / PGBs including China . Specifically speaking of the LAC that's the next area of defence we ought to be targeting on a war footing .Indian Army to get 2 air defence systems to fight enemy aircraft, drones
The defence ministry cleared the acquisition of a very short range air defence for the Army to protect the Indo-China border against the enemy, aircraft and drones flying in the area.www.indiatoday.in
What is the 2nd oneIndian Army to get 2 air defence systems to fight enemy aircraft, drones
The defence ministry cleared the acquisition of a very short range air defence for the Army to protect the Indo-China border against the enemy, aircraft and drones flying in the area.
The first one is DRDO's VSHORADS and the second one will be a foreign missile that is shoulder launched.What is the 2nd one
This pattern isn't a pattern at all if you've observed it closely. It's by design. Most often the Mark 1 batch is sub optimal ( sometimes total failures) , hence ordered in Ltd nos with imports making up for the rest which in itself fulfills partial requirements.What is the 2nd one
It's usually the Mark 2 or Mark 3 versions which qualify all the SQRs usually on par if not in the same bandwidth of similar international systems. It was the same with Akash , QRSAMs & now with VSHORADS . You can extend this logic to other platforms & munitions as well .
My bads, misread the article.
1. The first type of Very Short Air Defence System will be shoulder-fired and will be made under the "Make in India" initiative where foreign companies are likely to partner with Indian firms. This contest could see the participation by French firm Thales and Bharat Dynamics Limited along with Saab from Sweden.
2. The (second ) type of system will be tripod-based and developed by DRDO, which has developed this system in partnership with its development-cum-production partner model and will see the involvement of the private sector in a big way.
1. The first type of Very Short Air Defence System will be shoulder-fired and will be made under the "Make in India" initiative where foreign companies are likely to partner with Indian firms. This contest could see the participation by French firm Thales and Bharat Dynamics Limited along with Saab from Sweden.
2. The (second ) type of system will be tripod-based and developed by DRDO, which has developed this system in partnership with its development-cum-production partner model and will see the involvement of the private sector in a big way.
Isn't DRDO also developing a shoulder fired version apart from working on reducing the weight of the tripod mounted system ?
A contract is expected to be signed for the production of Igla-S MANPADS.
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So it's MPDMS vs Igla S
In the shoulder fired category.
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So it's MPDMS vs Igla S
In the shoulder fired category.
In which case what was your previous post about BDL + Thales & SAAB all about.
Thales ones is heavier. So is the SAAB one. They will need to be tripod mounted.
VSHORADS of DRDO should beat them all in performance easily. But cost will be an issue.
Shoulder launched are pretty much only 2 things. Either a Stinger or the Igla/Verba or the DRDO MPDMS if they complete it on time.
But let's see how things turn out.
That's what I fear indigenous systems cannot compete with imported systems which have been produced in bulk. In this way they will win all the contracts under make(indian) category whereas indigenous systems will continue to suffer.
Very wrong precedent has been set by promoting screwdrivegiri & competing them against indigenous systems.
Best way out is say buy another small batch of Igla S directly under the 300 crore emergency purchase option and give some time to DRDO with MPDMS.
If DRDO can show some credible progress on the project then wait for it. Or directly order a slightly bigger batch of Igla from Russia.
I am talking about procurement if screwdrivegiri systems are allowed to participate under make indian scheme then they will easily win due to L1. That's why we should ban them from participating in those tenders where indigenous alternative exists.
Take ex. Of make 2 projects where some companies have actually invested money to develop systems whereas many are just rebranding foreign systems and i fear they will win due to cost factor.
Even without any mass production, say in MGS tender the Israeli product will easily outbid the ATAGS one by 40-50%.
It's upto the government to release a new negative list for anything where an Indian entity may have their own IP rights.
It's better to directly procure indigenous systems under iddm no point of even considering foreign systems.
Ever wondered why that is the case ?
After all it goes against the known dictum where mass production leads to lesser prices.
A lot of it is due to inefficiencies which exist in general in India's industries. Manufacturing, assembly, services, transportation, taxation, etc.
Like the VSHORADS high cost will be justified, because of the high altitude requirements of India. A foreign MANPAD with a 4.5-5.5km ceiling will do nothing when being fired from our high altitude positions of 4km+ altitude.
But for our western front , a cheaper Igla style system will be more than enough.
The Armed Forces of India need a comprehensive white paper and based upon the findings of that , come clear to the industry about their needs.
Like for a 155mm towed system, there was no need for it to be long range. 40km is very good. The trained gunner in a war will not be firing a 155mm at 48km untill that ammo is a guided one.
Usually the firing will be between 20km-35km. Had Army made this clear from the start that a simple, robust system meeting this criteria, our ATAGS would have been a world beater economically.
Israeli have well established supply chain globally they usually outsource the manufacturing to cheap countries whereas they only produce critical components.