Family remains untouched by PM Narendra Modi’s rise

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Antiguy said:
I agree. A little bit of corruption never hurt the country. Besides BJP corruption is different from Khangress corruption. It's about time people realized that.
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Corruption has to be condemned, no matter where the source, be it BJP or the Congress.
But yes there are significantly less instances of corruption in this government.
It atleast seems like BJP makes a genuine effort to take the country forward.
Can't say the same for Congress, its just a cesspool of ministers primarily intent on filling their own pockets.
 
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Harry said:
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He is certainly the kind of PM India needed after 5 years of blatant corruption by Manmohan Singh's lead UPA regime but he too is a one man show don't you think?
Surrounded by a group of not so honest (amoral) people. What happens when he(Modi) decides to target their vested interests, when his chain of command within his own party starts to loosen up because of this? People around him decides to act for their own benefits instead of following the party line....that will be the day we will see demise of Modi as one of the most strongest and wittiest person to become the PM of India.
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Like they say "Change is constant".
Modi is not an immortal nor is he a god, so sooner or later he too will have to leave his chair.
But this man will go down in the history of India as a NON CORRUPT yet POWERFUL politician.
A man whole of INDIA is proud of.
 
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Antiguy said:
I think corruption allegations against shahs son is cooked up by lefty media.
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Exactly. The Wire Editor Rohini Singh who wrote article about Amit Shah's son is Radia Famed Journalist. She was fired from Economics Times for cheer leading for Akhilesh Yadav & peddling lies during UP Elections. Wire should be ready to Pay 100 cr to Amit Shah's son now for the Defamation Case. :D
 
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Exactly. The Wire Editor Rohini Singh who wrote article about Amit Shah's son is Radia Famed Journalist. She was fired from Economics Times for cheer leading for Akhilesh Yadav & peddling lies during UP Elections. Wire should be ready to Pay 100 cr to Amit Shah's son now for the Defamation Case. :D
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absolutely. Is that you in the photo? I think I may have seen you before.
 
Nilgiri said:
About 50% of the support for Modi comes from this alone. BJP is riding off it essentially.

Hope he has set a good direction for how politics (as bad and fuzzy it is in reality and always will be so in relative sense given what power does to avearge/typical human mind) ought to strive towards so at least there is some check/balance against the worst of it at the top. People will naturally gravitate to whoever does it best.... till the rest (power candidates) improve their end too in such way so there is less contrast....or simply perish. This is good for India in long run.....we were controlled by identity politics too long, we sorely need balance by merit. I for one enjoy when the ones losing power now are relying on conspiracy theories like "EVM rigging" to explain their severe losses in earlier guaranteed grounds...can they see whats needed to become like a Phoenix? If so they should prove it than talk.

Any civilisation ascendancy/re-ascendancy needs a string of good leaders (each one tries to outperform the last one, realises the good and bad etc and how to increase one and decrease other) and of course it often starts with that first "one" that set some strong formative concepts into play. Finally it feels like we are living on verge of a new better age, will it be golden age, lets see.
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I completely agree sir. And I also think we should not be overly simplistic. There is a lot of misdirection by lefty media. Like they say he wears 50K Bulgari glasses and 1 lakh suit etc. Everyone knows that public office is about perception. And he is basically investing in a perception that commands the confidence of his voters who are highly aspirational. They don't want someone with chappals and jolra pai leading them,. He has never been a person seeking personal luxury at any time in his life. Wearing those bulgari glasses, expensive suit, BMW etc. are painful resposnibilities he fulfills to keep the confidence of his voters.

Same with Reliance and Adani. People who say he is crony capitalist supporter don't understand that in capitalism big industry has to be supported and he is supporting them to make India strong. He appeared in Jio Ad though no PM support private company because Jio was reducing so drastically even poorest people will get easy access to telecom. For the good of India he became brand ambassador for Reliance telecom.
 
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Prateik said:
Corruption has to be condemned, no matter where the source, be it BJP or the Congress.
But yes there are significantly less instances of corruption in this government.
It atleast seems like BJP makes a genuine effort to take the country forward.
Can't say the same for Congress, its just a cesspool of ministers primarily intent on filling their own pockets.
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don't be simplistic, consider the points I indicated above in my reply to Nilgiri sir. 'type' of corruption is what is important. You can have corruption but of the right sort.
 
Levina said:
Like they say "Change is constant".
Modi is not an immortal nor is he a god, so sooner or later he too will have to leave his chair.
But this man will go down in the history of India as a NON CORRUPT yet POWERFUL politician.
A man whole of INDIA is proud of.
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He will leave the chair no doubt but I hope that's voluntarily after he and those who voted for him are satisfied from his work and not because of some corruption scandal by his own colleagues.
He is certainly one of the most powerful PM we ever had.
 
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Antiguy said:
don't be simplistic, consider the points I indicated above in my reply to Nilgiri sir. 'type' of corruption is what is important. You can have corruption but of the right sort.
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That is a slippery slope right there.
You can talk of "right" type of corruption now because the government in power , for the most part, doesn't operate with any malicious intent.
But people and situations change.
Some unworthy elements, in this very same government, might pop up later and start indulging in underhand deals for their own gain. And then what would you do?

You can't blindly accept everything, assuming it will be the right "type" of corruption.
Condemn every form of it. Deals for the betterment of the country, people will automatically accept,with some little protest.
Plain thievery will be caught.

The objective is never to stop questioning.
You might think I'm being idealistic. But this , I think is pragmatic.
 
Prateik said:
That is a slippery slope right there.
You can talk of "right" type of corruption now because the government in power , for the most part, doesn't operate with any malicious intent.
But people and situations change.
Some unworthy elements, in this very same government, might pop up later and start indulging in underhand deals for their own gain. And then what would you do?

You can't blindly accept everything, assuming it will be the right "type" of corruption.
Condemn every form of it. Deals for the betterment of the country, people will automatically accept,with some little protest.
Plain thievery will be caught.

The objective is never to stop questioning.
You might think I'm being idealistic. But this , I think is pragmatic.
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Actually you are on the slippery slope. By making unrealistic statements like 'all corruption is to be condemned' you are talking like an idealistic lefty. Fact corruption is inevitable but right kind of corruption is lesser evil. Using your logic we will have to raise several uncomfortable questions. Like look below

Modi Bhai's glasses are Bulgari and cost Rs.50,000/-
Modi Bhai has at least two Movado watches that cost several lakh each

Now no politician in India makes salary for these things. But leftys will question it and call it corruption while knowing fully how important perception is. If I use your logic Modi Bhai is corrupt and by giving Ambanis Rafale and Submarine he is support crony capitalism. But we both know that is not the right way of looking at things and will lead to paralysis in government and Modi will be able to buy only Hajmola.

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Antiguy said:
Actually you are on the slippery slope. By making unrealistic statements like 'all corruption is to be condemned' you are talking like an idealistic lefty. Fact corruption is inevitable but right kind of corruption is lesser evil. Using your logic we will have to raise several uncomfortable questions. Like look below

Modi Bhai's glasses are Bulgari and cost Rs.50,000/-
Modi Bhai has at least two Movado watches that cost several lakh each

Now no politician in India makes salary for these things. But leftys will question it and call it corruption while knowing fully how important perception is. If I use your logic Modi Bhai is corrupt and by giving Ambanis Rafale and Submarine he is support crony capitalism. But we both know that is not the right way of looking at things and will lead to paralysis in government and Modi will be able to buy only Hajmola.

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narendra-modi.jpg
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Since when did politicians ever rely on salary for any of their needs :LOL:
Yeah, i get the point you are trying put across.Just saying it is best to be vigilant in any case.
And you can't make an example out of Modi for everything. He is different from the riff-raff i'm talking about , à la 'hawai chappal didi':ROFLMAO:
 
Prateik said:
Since when did politicians ever rely on salary for any of their needs :LOL:
Yeah, i get the point you are trying put across.Just saying it is best to be vigilant in any case.
And you can't make an example out of Modi for everything. He is different from the riff-raff i'm talking about , à la 'hawai chappal didi':ROFLMAO:
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so you agree he is taking 'out of pocket' expenses from someone. Now you'll have to call him corrupt by your own definition- he has to take a few lakhs/crores to fund these things. But that's not accurate.
The accurate way of putting it is:

'Yes, Modi is corrupt because he takes money to fund his lavish lifestyle from somewhere. But his corruption is different from others. His corruption is the right kind of corruption'

I'm sure this is a point that other esteemed members like @Levina and @Nilgiri can agree upon to.
 
Antiguy said:
so you agree he is taking 'out of pocket' expenses from someone. Now you'll have to call him corrupt by your own definition- he has to take a few lakhs/crores to fund these things. But that's not accurate.
The accurate way of putting it is:

'Yes, Modi is corrupt because he takes money to fund his lavish lifestyle from somewhere. But his corruption is different from others. His corruption is the right kind of corruption'

I'm sure this is a point that other esteemed members like @Levina and @Nilgiri can agree upon to.
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You've somehow assumed my whole objective here is to diss on Modi. It isn't.
The point i wanted to put across was that, It just isn't sensible for the whole populace to blindly trust any politician , how much ever they rever them.
And this is especially important in India , where we tend to put people on a pedestal, and consider them to be all that is right and just in this world.
A bit of skepticism is always needed.
And yes , his corruption is just the same as everyone else's. Only thing being, his merits outweigh his shortcomings. And that, he has many.Be sure of it. But he is the best we have for now. Certainly miles better than the alternative. But he isn't the government in its entierity.

As an side, didn't he have those watches and spectacle since his CM days?
 
Prateik said:
You've somehow assumed my whole objective here is to diss on Modi. It isn't.
The point i wanted to put across was that, It just isn't sensible for the whole populace to blindly trust any politician , how much ever they rever them.
And this is especially important in India , where we tend to put people on a pedestal, and consider them to be all that is right and just in this world.
A bit of skepticism is always needed.
And yes , his corruption is just the same as everyone else's. Only thing being, his merits outweigh his shortcomings. And that, he has many.Be sure of it. But he is the best we have for now. Certainly miles better than the alternative. But he isn't the government in its entierity.

As an side, didn't he have those watches and spectacle since his CM days?
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you are missing my point. The point I'm making is that if you claim 'all politicians need to be uncorrupt' then you are making yourself completely vulnerable to attacks. Just say, yes BJP is corrupt but its corruption is the right kind of corruption' which happens to be the truth, no opposition will be able to attack you and hypocritically bring you down. If you invest in the idea that

'yes, he is corrupt but his corruption is the right kind' people will stop talking about corruption and instead talk about his personal merits and qualities instead.
 
Antiguy said:
Just say, yes BJP is corrupt but its corruption is the right kind of corruption' which happens to be the truth, no opposition will be able to attack you and hypocritically bring you down. If you invest in the idea that

'yes, he is corrupt but his corruption is the right kind' people will stop talking about corruption and instead talk about his personal merits and qualities instead.
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That , i definitely wouldn't want to happen. That is plain and simple hero worship.
We might as well live under China style one party democracy,if that is the line you want to hold. You seem to have missed the whole point of having a functioning democracy and the legitimate checks and balance that are inbuilt into it.
If BJP in future were to indulge in shenanigans that are in detriment to the country's interest, i would defintely want the opposition to attack them and pull them down. And if the opposition were to do the same when in power, the BJP should respond in kind.
 
Prateik said:
That , i definitely wouldn't want to happen. That is plain and simple hero worship.
We might as well live under China style one party democracy,if that is the line you want to hold. You seem to have missed the whole point of having a functioning democracy and the legitimate checks and balance that are inbuilt into it.
If BJP in future were to indulge in shenanigans that are in detriment to the country's interest, i would defintely want the opposition to attack them and pull them down. And if the opposition were to do the same when in power, the BJP should respond in kind.
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Lefty detected
 
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