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vstol Jockey said:
@safriz, 26/11 was your job. Be prepared for a false flag mayhem in India using TTP attackers funded by RAW. We are now looking for a reason to go to war with you. Time is ripe. Modi is not reaching anywhere with his Ram temple. So his chances of winning 2019 elections based on Ram Temple have gone to vapours. He now needs something else to show India which makes him PM of India again in 2019.
The seasonal low pressure area over pakistan has started building up which starts the onset of monsoon currents over these two nations. Watch out. I know all my posts are read in detail by ISI and many of my posts in past have been used by jurnos of your nation posted on another forum. Abhi bhi time hai. Sudhar jao. We have one point agenda-Akhand Bharat minus pak Punjab. We are going to revert back to 1883 map of India and Afghanistan by dissolving Durand line. Sindh will be part of India with Balochistan. Ab jo tum kar saktay ho karlo. Hum toh ghar main ghus kay marengay.
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Typical Indian wet dreams have been the same for last 70 years.
 
safriz said:
Yes , religious scholars are a need for us. They are the ones who learn our religion as a subject and field of study.
One of my good friend is a Madressah graduate and he is also doing well in property business and well off. Due to owning a business he has enough spare time to give Fatwa,which needs a lot of time for research same a barrister will do for legal questions.
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You counted 300k graduates from Madrasahs in the previous post. One made it as a property developer anecdotally. What do the rest do? With the current amount of Fatwa givers, Do you think there would ever be any agreement and Peace?
 
safriz said:
Yes it is that simple. Arab in that era was a Verbal culture and writing was not in vogue. People memorized instead of writing. Later with expansion of Islam and far and wide regions being added, the need to write was felt and so it was done. There is no controversy on that.
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What you stated about Arabia wasn't unique to their culture . That's how it started off in all cultures with all religions . Hence the Bible ( Old Testament ) was revealed before it was written down . Same is true for the Vedas , etc .

That's not the controversy .The controversy lies in the destruction of the other Korans during the time of Caliph Uthman . Do Google this case. It might be illuminating to you , if you are able to see beyond your religious biases .
 
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safriz said:
Our gun closets are full . Even my 65 year old mom has better aim with a Mauser than a trained policeman.
Its the same as in USA, people who have guns also know when and how to use them. Personally i cant even kill a fly without feeling bad.
About Madressah, its an entirely separate topic and you same as many Pakistanis don't understand the subject at all.
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I'm not denying that there is a lobby for the right of the population to bear arms. However, that is supposed to be for the defence of individual and national rights against oppressors.

Two points: have the people of Pakistan, except for that occasion when the Afghans put pressure on the NWFP and made armed intrusions, ever used weapons in the defence of individual and national rights? Instead, if an observer sees them killing each other for sectarian reasons, does it not seem that the population that demands the right to own and keep firearms should also demonstrate the maturity to use them when needed, and the maturity not to use them in a barbaric cause?

Second, the greatest oppressor of the Pakistani people has been the Pakistani Army. Have the people ever even muttered about this, forget about taking to the arms that they zealously defend the right to retain?

I will stay off the issue of the madrassahs, as it seems that it is a 'reserved' subject, and only the Lord's ordained may speak about them, whether to praise or to criticise. Since I am not one of those so distinguished, I shall refrain, but unfortunately, others may not have that delicacy of feeling.
 
safriz said:
Well, people get Madressha education and then go on to do a PHD. We learn our religion in Madressah. Hinduism is not a well structured religion and doesn't have well defined instructions thats why you don't need to learn it in an institution and can invent or modify as you wish, being a Paganism faith.
Ours is different and hence has to be learned in an educational institution. Thats why you don't understand and thats fine.
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Umm, that, about Hinduism, is actually quite wrong. There are extremely structured ways to learn them and to implement those practices. Those can be, and are, taught. It is quite another matter that Hinduism, in its several different streams of thought, has got to a stage where there is no punishment for not keeping to the liturgy of faith. You have to keep in mind that there is two millennia of experience and reaction and reformation and change between the faith that you follow and the one that you describe as Paganism.

I find this bald summary about as convincing as the Sanghi's view of the religion that he understands about as badly as you do. :D
 
safriz said:
Which religion?
Is Hinduism a religion?
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Yes, one that comes in several different variations in the ways of achieving the objectives set by God. A good comparison would be between Judaism, Christianity and Islam; same root beliefs, different interpretations of the best way to live and to prepare for the after-life, and different interpretations of the duty of a human being towards the planet, other human beings and God. A bad comparison would be with the sects into which Islam is divided, or Christianity, or even Judaism.

We can let Doc have an Exeat on this one.
 
safriz said:
Typical Indian wet dreams have been the same for last 70 years.
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If you examine the record carefully, you will find that India more or less minded her own business and went about it, until provoked by open attack, or a major, existential crisis. That is not the case now. There is a dangerous lobby actively seeking war.
 
safriz said:
Typical Indian wet dreams have been the same for last 70 years.
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wow! You seem to have a very short term memory like Amir Khan of Gajini movie. 1947-48, 1965, 1971 and 1999 do not seem to have ever happened.
You are proud muslim who has been brought up on the premise that Hindus are cowards. Can you please explain as to whay you muslims failed to convert India in to a muslim nation even after 800 yrs of wars? You as muslims can defeat christians and europeans but not Indian Hindus. Tum main dum hee nahin hai. Alexander was defeated by Hindus and not by converted third rate cowards of Takshila now called Pakistan Punjabis.
 
bonobashi said:
Yes, one that comes in several different variations in the ways of achieving the objectives set by God. A good comparison would be between Judaism, Christianity and Islam; same root beliefs, different interpretations of the best way to live and to prepare for the after-life, and different interpretations of the duty of a human being towards the planet, other human beings and God. A bad comparison would be with the sects into which Islam is divided, or Christianity, or even Judaism.

We can let Doc have an Exeat on this one.
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Doc has less than zero interest in Islam.

Cheers, Doc
 
Superkaif said:
Generalising is a poor stance. You seem to specialise in this.

There are good and bad in all society - Pakistani community has its fair share of idiots - no doubt.

There are some incredibly vile stories coming out of India - do you want me to generalise when looking at a nation of 1.2 billion people? Get a grip of yourself and stop insinuating ALL Pakistan lack common courtesy. Sometimes one should refrain from lobbing stones without checking your own back yard.
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Superkaif said:
Judging by some of the posters on here - this is certainly not the case.
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On target on both; wholly on one, partially on the other. I agree that the easy degeneration of some members into the lowest gutter language is not a good reason to pay attention to what they may be saying, but it is the exception that proves the rule, and you are surely well aware of the fact. The partial agreement is due to the fact that what you are refuting is a generalisation, one of the easiest things to refute, but like many generalisations, it is built untidily around a truth.
 
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Paro said:
How about calling it a day for now. This discussion so resembles pdf now. give the guy a break.
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No yaar not yet. We may have people getting slightly hot headed and going off on one - we have to go really low to get to their level. The intellect on this forum is far greater and anyone getting too abusive is brought back into line - unlike that sh1thole where it’s encouraged! 😉
 
Superkaif said:
No yaar not yet. We may have people getting slightly hot headed and going off on one - we have to go really low to get to their level. The intellect on this forum is far greater and anyone getting too abusive is brought back into line - unlike that sh1thole where it’s encouraged! 😉
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But ganging up on one to get off your steam isn’t the solution either. :confused: He’s the only sane Pakistani here. I don’t want him to run away. It’s no fun.
 
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bonobashi said:
but like many generalisations, it is built untidily around a truth.
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These words in Bold are the Truth and they are going to stick on all Pakistanis in UK and else where

If Pakistanis think that The world should see them Differently
that is not going to happen unless All such Negative And Bad stories keep originating
from Pakistan or have Pakistani connections

Whether it is Fake Degrees ; Terrorism ; Human Trafficking and Smuggling ; crime
or even forced marriages within UK pakistanis ; they all damage their already bad image

No wonder that they dont get visas easily and are subjected to harsh scrutiny at airports
 
Paro said:
But ganging up on one to get off your steam isn’t the solution either. :confused: He’s the only sane Pakistani here. I don’t want him to run away. It’s no fun.
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Is it ok to hang up against Indians?

I'm feeling unloved.

Cheers, Doc
 
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