This seems like the newer radar, why can't the use the older one?
New connection points.
Not accurate, its passive stealth is one of the primary reason they want the sukhoi 57.
There's not a single official word from IAF claiming they want Su-57, it has been the opposite in fact.
The only time someone official said anything about Su-57 was back in 2025, the defense secretary said they are interested in 40-60 two-seaters in the future. Every time you come across an article saying India is interested in the Su-57, make sure it has an actual source like MoD or IAF and not Russia or HAL.
Now look up all the Su-57 articles you have come across over the last few months and check if there's any official mention.
Just so you know, when official negotiations are going on, the parties involved are not allowed to speak to the media. Look up how much Dassault has said about Rafale during the same period.
It still a bit of an exaggeration tbh but not much but enough to call out the manufacturer's propoganda
The War Thunder guys make their assessments based on open source information. The actual information at the microlevel will be different. The way the engine works in some regimes, especially supercruise, will be different from what's been reported publicly.
The makers are still more reliable than non-related personnel.
Didnt the older models have functioning radars though?
Sure, the APG-81. But that's been superceded by the new GaN radar.
And do you think the Rafael is a better platform than the older F35 which is in operational condition?
Yes. Because the F-35 is still using TR-2 hardware. It doesn't have most of the avionics features operational.
Sure its raw performance might be better and it has the advantage in visual range combat but in the era of beyond visual range combat and first strike capability is critical, how can you say the Rafael will be be able to outperform other 5th gen jets especially against other modern jets with long bvr missiles and advanced SAM?
The Rafale's weapons are better and its avionics suite actually works.
The F-35 with only its TR-2 capabilities is a very simple aircraft with limited capabilities. It cannot defeat advanced IADS for example.
The Americans themselves say they cannot use it to fight the Chinese without its full suite of B4 capabilities, and they are now only going to achieve it in 2031 with minimum hardware access, while full access requires an engine and cooling upgrade.
They screwed up its development. They designed the jet with 14 kW of cooling, but now are claiming they need 80+ kW to get to full B4. Because of the high cooling requirements, it's affecting the performance of the engine too, hence the need for a thrust upgrade.
Yeah and the indianised Su57 will be a beast of a jet who will be unrivalled until the foreseeable future.
As I said, first Izd 30, then evaluations, then we will see. Its potential is after the first 114 Rafales are already operational. But we will be in AMCA era, making it moot.
I don't believe this is true, sure US has no active role but I'm not gonna believe that there is no back channel talks happening for the su57 and we aren't talking about the Russian version but the indianised one where we can swap and upgrade the electronics and hardware as per our desire which is a huge plus.
Nothing's happening outside of Russia and HAL cooking up a deal to then present to the IAF. This is currently being done by all fighter jet OEMs, even Typhoon, F-15EX, F-16, Mig-35, and Gripen E. Meaning, they are all working with Indian partners to present a good deal to the MoD and IAF in parallel to Rafale.
Here's an example, happened just yesterday.
Defence News: IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh undertook a familiarisation flight in Boeing F-15EX Eagle II fighter aircraft during his visit to Nellis .
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
The Russians are just doing it publicly.
IAF is not involved in any of this.
As it stands today, the IAF is yet to evaluate the Su-57, never mind start negotiations for a contract. What's happening with HAL is the Russians just deciding the IAF's configuration on their own. And their lobbying seems to be aimed at a mix of all the gullible people not directly connected to the IAF, like that General Katoch's article posted in the previous page or bureaucrats or politicians while also aiming for the foreign audience, primarily the US politicians and diplomats, to show that they are in a stronger position relative to them, and future prospective operators of the Su-57 who are being led to believe the IAF is seriously considering the offer since HAL is directly involved.
It's just an echochamber.
2040+. For now, it can only get AMCA-class upgrade in a new variant.
They need to develop a VCE first.
