ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[babablacksheep]

The Pentagon’s weapons tester has concerns about the F-35’s new software development process

Defense News breaks down the more technical nuggets in the latest report on the F-35.

www.defensenews.com

India needs a system based on F22. If US can export it to India then that will be the game changer. But they won't for the obvious reasons.

And it doesn't mention or even hints that f22 more advance than f35.
Still waiting.

F35 having problems in its software upgrades due to how high of a capabilify us was aiming for in f35 is not what I asked, is not what the argument is about.

 

[screambowl]

And it doesn't mention or even hints that f22 more advance than f35.
Still waiting.

F35 having problems in its software upgrades due to how high of a capabilify us was aiming for in f35 is not what I asked, is not what the argument is about.

If they have put their F22 exports on ban and allowing their top notch capability on F35 it is itself skeptical, F22 will remain the tip of the spear for USAF. F35's have camouflaged F22s for defensive purposes.

 

[babablacksheep]

If they have put their F22 exports on ban and allowing their top notch capability on F35 it is itself skeptical, F22 will remain the tip of the spear for USAF. F35's have camouflaged F22s for defensive purposes.

The export ban of f22 happened in 1998.
F35 first flew on December 15, 2006

With production line of f22 ceased, there is just no incentive for congress to put effort & vote to disband the ban.

 

[screambowl]

The export ban of f22 happened in 1998.
F35 first flew on December 15, 2006

With production line of f22 ceased, there is just no incentive for congress to put effort & vote to disband the ban.

Oh really? And no one tried to even remove that ban right when Japan was interested in F22 since decades, and later LM offered it with avionics of F35 and F22 air frame called as Super F22, US offered F35 avionics and had security concerns regarding the avionics on F22. And due to lack of access to tech on F22 Japan rejected the offer. Price was another issue.

US holds its top avionics and stealth capability on F22 x repeat.

 

[babablacksheep]

Oh really? And no one tried to even remove that ban right when Japan was interested in F22 since decades, and later LM offered it with avionics of F35 and F22 air frame called as Super F22, US offered F35 avionics and had security concerns regarding the avionics on F22. And due to lack of access to tech on F22 Japan rejected the offer. Price was another issue.

US holds its top avionics and stealth capability on F22 x repeat.

For congress to put effort to remove the ban, all that interest by all the parties has to reach sufficient enough level that parties are willing to put their money in restarting the production lines.

*Restarting the F-22 Raptor production line is generally considered impossible by the U.S. Air Force due to prohibitive costs, lost tooling, and a shifted focus toward the next-generation fighter program. studies indicate that resurrecting the line would cost over \(\$10\) billion to start up and over \(\$200\) million per aircraft, making it economically unviable*

Also japan showed interest in getting f22 in early 2000s, at that time it was the most advanced jet on the planet.
With f35's early prototype's first flight only happening in 2006.

Seriously i'm loosing brain cells replying to you, with your habit to selective only looking at partial info that confirm your bias.

All this mental gymnastics, because you can't provide any credible proof of f22 being more advanced than f35.
While in f35's case i have multiple proofs.
Like

Lt. Gen. Michael Schmidt (F-35 Program Executive Officer): In 2025, Schmidt stated that the F-35 provides "the most advanced, reliable, and effective aircraft to protect our nations.

Official f35 site by Lockheed Martin

F-35: The World's Most Advanced Fighter

The F-35 provides unmatched 5th Generation capabilities for the U.S. and allies around the globe.

www.f35.com

https://www.afrc.af.mil/News/Article/3915434/f-35-lightning-ii-leads-charge-in-5th-generation-warfare-strengthens-global-par/

*F-35 Lightning II leads charge in 5th-generation warfare*

https://www.gao.gov/blog/f-35-will-now-exceed-2-trillion-military-plans-fly-it-less

*The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is the Department of Defense’s most ambitious weapons program*
Again *most ambitious*.

 

[screambowl]

Restarting the F-22 Raptor production line is generally considered impossible by the U.S. Air Force due to prohibitive costs, lost tooling, and a shifted focus toward the next-generation fighter program

Also japan showed interest in getting f22 in early 2000s, at that time it was the most advanced jet on the planet.

In 2000 F22 was still being produced. The production ended in 2011 lol. With this logic F35 should be on export ban too. You know you just contradicted to yourself.

 

[babablacksheep]

In 2000 F22 was still being produced. The production ended in 2011 lol. With this logic F35 should be on export ban too. You know you just contradicted to yourself.

Learn to read fully and comprehend, instead of cherry picking & quick judgement

Also japan showed interest in getting f22 in early 2000s, at that time it was the most advanced jet on the planet.
With f35's early prototype's first flight only happening in 2006.

In 2000 F22 was still being produced. The production ended in 2011 lol. With this logic F35 should be on export ban too. You know you just contradicted to yourself.

F35 was the most ambitious project, more ambitious than f22, so much so that U.S. Couldn't fund it by itself, especially with ussr dissolving, so it became a multi national project.

Their own words.

https://www.gao.gov/blog/f-35-will-now-exceed-2-trillion-military-plans-fly-it-less

*The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is the Department of Defense’s most ambitious weapons program*

 

[screambowl]

Learn to read fully and comprehend, instead of cherry picking & quick judgement





F35 was the most ambitious project, more ambitious than f22, so much so that U.S. Couldn't fund it by itself, especially with ussr dissolving, so it became a multi national project.

Their own words.

https://www.gao.gov/blog/f-35-will-now-exceed-2-trillion-military-plans-fly-it-less

*The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is the Department of Defense’s most ambitious weapons program*

The most ambitious project is B F47 , if something is being tested for the first time in 2020 the production and R&D began atleast in early 2000's. US has never exported their most potent tech to any one not even to their close allies.

 

[babablacksheep]

The most ambitious project is B F47 , if something is being tested for the first time in 2020 the production and R&D began atleast in early 2000's. US has never exported their most potent tech to any one not even to their close allies.

Again in U.S. own words in U.S. gov. Website in May 16, 2024, they referred to f35 program as its most ambitious weapons program ever executed.


F47 is a future one and definitely will be more ambitious.
But that'z off topic.

On topic : acc. To us gov. Official website hints , f35 is more advanced than f22.

Now, you can continue believing whatever biased things you want but you have failed to back up any of your claims with credible backing & i have shown multiple times US officially consider f35 to be more advance than f22.

End of the discussion from my side.

 

[spice]

ADA Tender likely for AMCA. GEM/2026/B/7429918
Item Category Custom Bid for Services - Workpackage for Software Development for Flight Control Computer for 3 years
Contract Period 3 Year(s)

Another tender: GEM/2026/B/7507642

Design, Development and Testing of Integrated Flight Control Computer (IFCC) for AMCA
Contract Period 3 years

NRE Cost Design and Development of IFCC 1 Job
IFCC Prototype unit 10 Nos
ATEs for testing IFC Hardware 1 Set
IFCC QT Units (one QT cleared unit and One unit spare) 2 Nos
IFCC Flight Worthy units 10 Nos
Development of Software for hardware evaluation in ADA 1 Job
language for 3 years

 

[Parthu]

DRDO’s aircraft integration and flight testing complex to come up in Puttaparthi

DRDO to establish an aircraft integration and flight testing complex in Puttaparthi, boosting India's indigenous aerospace capabilities.

www.thehindu.com

As part of the approved framework, the State government will facilitate the allocation of 150 acres adjoining the Puttaparthi runway and an an additional 200 acres for a satellite office complex and residential township, extension of the runway length to 10,000 feet, development of critical aviation infrastructure, including ATC tower, navigational aids and meteorological support systems, and approvals for creation of a dedicated local flying zone in coordination with the MoD, Ministry of Civil Aviation, and the the Indian Air Force.

The facility will support aircraft assembly, systems integration and flight testing activities for the AMCA programme and other future combat aviation platforms being developed in the country.

 

[spice]

Bid Number: GEM/2026/B/7458313

Custom Bid for Services - Workpackage for PIBs and FSDU for LCA Mk1 and WIC for AMCA A/c for 3 years
Contract Period 3 Year(s)

2. WIC LRU Safety critical software requirements and software Interface Control Document (ICD) generation, documents vetting as per D0178-C Guideline, Code walkthrough, software testing, certification support and coordination with vendor for AMCA (Application and In-situ). WIC LRU ATE documents vetting, Code walkthrough, software testing, certification support and coordination with vendor for AMCA (Application and In-situ).

Weapon Interface Computer (WIC) is IOs and relay intensive embedded system, receives inputs from the stores and sends these data to mission computer via Weapon Management computer (WMC) on MIL-STD-1553B bus. It receives inputs from WMC and provide output to stores.

 

[Ashwin]

 

[padira]

Integrated flight control computer for Amca

 

[Bhartiya Naagrik Sainik]

_> Hey u all can u tell me what ada not decided to have side weapon bay for amca to carry 2 wvr missile ?

-> And is it confirmed that AMCA will carry 6 astra mk2/3 (with folding fins )?

Only DoD, Journalists in touch with them can confirm these things.
But i guess in past posts it was stated that DRDO is making folding fin version Astr AAM.

On SWB, things're confusing but i doubt it in Mk1, may be in Mk2.

I had shown the concept notionally but it might reduce internal fuel. Some CAD S/w tell volume of body, from which weight can be estimated.

Some side panels were noticed on Aero-India 2025 static model but look small to hold CCM.




The inboard pylons are very close to fuselage risking CCM separation + if external round cylindrical pod on 5gen jet then forget it.




However, a stealthy, modular, conformal EWP could be designed.

Shorter range MSDM/SACM/CUDA type CCMs could be explored, like Bhaargavastr.

-> And why not add astra mk2/3 in ghatak ? Ghatak is more stealthy than even f22

It might happen ultimately to make it multi-role. RCS return is combo of RAM, RAS, geometry, EW. Ghatak's full scale model RCS testing with RAM, RAS, EW will have to be done find its RCS, then compared with any jet.

In ere for long range bvr fights, do we we even need vertical tail ?

Do we even need super menurabality when 2 pulse/ramjet missiles exists who have high enemy in end game hence hard to dodge by menurabality (ecm can only be effective along with stealth)

> BVR & aerodynamics are separate things. W/o rudders, the yaw & lateral stability will have to be provided via split aelerons, TVC, strakes, etc.
> Short range combat cannot be ruled out yet bcoz -

- It is Tom & Jerry game b/w missiles & countermeasures. 100% success of BVR-AAMs cannot be assured from either side.​

- Enemy'll also have its BVR tactics.​

- If both side stealth jets then detection range decreases.​

- Every time a networked target data may not be available.​

- As long as 4gen & 5gen with guns are there, short range threat'll be there.​

- 6gen intends to replace guns with DEW-CIWS.​

> Super-maneuverability is needed for gunfight & LOBL CCMs.

- If AMCA can have spherical coverage by RF+EO sensors for an instantanious & continious track/lock of targets then Astr-IR CCM can be launched in LOAL mode.​

- After all AAMs fired, gunfight may be needed, for which agility'll be needed.​

- There're DRDO slides for TVC nozzle but round ones like tested for F-16 MATV, MiG-29 OVT, etc. Although F-35 round nozzle also has stealth treatment, but they're difficult to blend with fuselage compared to F-22 like flat nozzle.​

- Su-57 is going for F-22 like nozzles. I read about J-20 TVC upgrade on other forums. Other new 5gen jets might upgrade too as their R&D progress.​

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[FalconSlayers]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054241741470060738

 

[GASOLINE_ON_FIRE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054241741470060738

The three consortia advancing in the process are led by Larsen & Toubro in partnership with Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) and Dynamatic Technologies; Tata Advanced Systems Limited, which has bid independently and Bharat Forge, which has teamed up with state-run BEML and Data Patterns.

Sources said the final selection is expected to be made on a lowest-cost or L1 basis rather than through a quality-and-cost-based system (QCBS) used in some recent unmanned aerial vehicle programmes. Once minimum technical thresholds are met, pricing will be the decisive factor.

It doesn't look good for TASL if they go by L1. I hope they win it. Cant have any chai samosa PSUs in this program especially BEL. Astra Microwave & Data Patterns should be the ones competing for electronics. PSUs just bring screwdrivergiri and incompetence. These leeches will lowball the fcuk out of the tender and then struggle to deliver.

HAL still hasnt delivered MK1A.

 

[randomradio]

It doesn't look good for TASL if they go by L1. I hope they win it. Cant have any chai samosa PSUs in this program especially BEL. Astra Microwave & Data Patterns should be the ones competing for electronics. PSUs just bring screwdrivergiri and incompetence. These leeches will lowball the fcuk out of the tender and then struggle to deliver.

HAL still hasnt delivered MK1A.

BEL delivers, they are fine. Their job is to manufacture whatever DRDO designs anyway.

BEML is questionable. They lack BEL's track record.

In any case, all three lead integrators are private, which is the most desirable outcome. PSUs acting as secondary contractors are fine.

The aircraft and core systems will be designed and developed by ADA and DRDO, all these companies are coming in for the manufacturing bit.

 

[Bon Plan]

In 2000 F22 was still being produced. The production ended in 2011 lol. With this logic F35 should be on export ban too. You know you just contradicted to yourself.

It is true that F22 was NEVER allowed to be exported. And it is also true that Japan was very interested as a F15 replacement.

 

[randomradio]

It is true that F22 was NEVER allowed to be exported. And it is also true that Japan was very interested as a F15 replacement.

F-22 wasn't exported 'cause of its stealth and other features centered around air superiority. They were less worried about allies learning about it and more worried about enemy states learning about it through slip-ups by allies.

Relatively, the F-35's large order and different versions along with software locks pose less of a risk, even if its stealth tech is more advanced. The F-35's stealth is more focused towards lower altitudes too.

As I've always said, the most important jet in a large air force is the primary ASF. If the primary ASF is defeated, it's over for the entire air force. That's the main logic here.