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This is far more significant than the rumors from February: the Indian Ministry of Defence has officially informed a parliamentary committee that it has initiated steps to join the French sixth-generation program. This is no longer a case of a journalist extrapolating from a ministerial meeting.

And the timing is remarkable.

On August 6, Dassault submitted its detailed proposal for the 114 Rafale jets. On August 8, news broke that New Delhi had formally begun the process of joining the French sixth-generation program. In the interim—back in February—the Franco-Indian partnership had already been elevated to the status of a "special comprehensive strategic partnership," featuring an explicit commitment to strengthen the co-design, co-development, and co-production of advanced platforms and combat engines.

This is beginning to look less like a simple Rafale contract and more like a genuine, thirty-year Franco-Indian aerospace architecture.

The point that strikes me is this: India does not intend to replace the AMCA.

The report clearly distinguishes between the two. The AMCA remains India’s fifth-generation program. At the same time, the IAF does not want to repeat the delays experienced with the previous generation; it is therefore seeking to join a sixth-generation program right from the development stage. The parliamentary committee is even calling for a roadmap and a timeline to ensure India "does not fall behind."

The logic would therefore be:
  • 2020–2030: Tejas + modernized Su-30MKI + Rafale
  • 2030s: AMCA + Rafale F5
  • 2040s: Next-generation Franco-Indian aircraft + associated combat system.
And that is far smarter than waiting until 2040 to buy a foreign sixth-generation aircraft off the shelf.

This is exactly the kind of partner Dassault needed.

It brings us back to Trappier’s statement:

Technically, France is capable of doing it alone; financially, that is another matter. India brings precisely what a purely French solution lacks:
  • tens of billions of euros in long-term financing capacity;
  • an immense operational requirement;
  • a potential market far larger than France’s needs alone;
  • engineers and an aerospace industry ready to upskill;
  • a political drive for sovereignty;
  • and, above all, no Airbus Defence & Space stepping in to claim prime contractor status for the aircraft.
The boxed text in the clipping—"NO GERMAN TOUCH"—is blunt but captures the French interest quite well.

Naturally, the issue of work-sharing with India would be challenging. The Indians are tough negotiators. But the nature of the dispute would differ from the one with Germany.

India wants to learn, manufacture, and acquire technology. It has no need to pretend that HAL already knows how to design a sixth-generation fighter jet better than Dassault.

That is a significant difference. And India knows exactly what it is looking for. It is likely not just "an aircraft."

The post-FCAS French system Bellanger discusses would specifically include:
  • the NGF or its French successor;
  • a stealth UCAV;
  • CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft);
  • swarms of expendable drones;
  • collaborative combat;
  • data fusion;
  • distributed electronic warfare;
  • a combat cloud or equivalent architecture;
  • long-range weapons;
  • a new engine.
Many of these technologies are of direct interest to India for its own AMCA ecosystem.

It could therefore participate in the French program while gaining access to technological building blocks useful for its national programs—much as France would benefit from:
  • Indian financing;
  • production run sizes;
  • Indian industrial capacity;
  • and potentially Indian expertise in software, AI, and electronics.
This looks far more like a systems partnership than a simple aircraft sale. The engine makes the whole concept even more coherent.

It is likely the piece that ties everything together. The Franco-Indian declaration from February explicitly mentions the intention to develop cooperation on combat aircraft engines, alongside the manufacturing of fighter jets.

If Safran and India do indeed see the 120 kN engine project for the AMCA Mk2 through to completion, India will progressively acquire expertise in:
  • compressor aerodynamics;
  • combustion chambers;
  • high-pressure turbines;
  • hot-section materials;
  • cooling systems;
  • FADEC;
  • testing and certification.
This engine would likely not be the one used for the future sixth-generation aircraft, but the skills acquired would form the foundation for participating in the development of the subsequent engine.

This could result in a remarkably coherent progression:

M88 / Rafale → Safran-GTRE engine / AMCA → new-generation Franco-Indian engine. For India, this would be precisely the way to eventually break free from the reliance on GE—a dependency criticized by some Indians. And for France, India is politically far more interesting than Germany.

France and India share a very similar objective in this regard: avoiding dependence on the United States, Russia, or China for their combat aircraft.
This does not mean their geopolitical interests will always align. However, their requirements regarding industrial sovereignty do converge. With Germany, Paris constantly had to explain why Dassault should hold the prime contractorship for the aircraft.

With India, the debate might instead center on:

"Which technologies do we develop jointly, which remain national, and what production capacity does India acquire?"

That is much more open to negotiation. Yet the newspaper headline is telling: "Ally With France"—not "join France, Germany, and Spain." Above all, the Indian ministry now speaks of a program "spearheaded by the French government."

This also changes how we view the 114 Rafale jets.

Until now, I thought the 114 jets would primarily serve to create a second industrial base for the Rafale. Now, I believe we need to consider a broader scope:

the 114 Rafales could represent the initial industrial step of a partnership designed to eventually lead to a sixth-generation aircraft.

The Indian Rafale production line would allow Dassault to evaluate—over a period of ten or fifteen years—several key factors:
  • industrial partners;
  • manufacturing quality;
  • working methods;
  • intellectual property protection;
  • the capabilities of Indian design offices;
  • the integration of Indian weaponry;
  • contractual relationships.
By the time development of the successor actually begins, Dassault would know exactly which tasks could be entrusted to which Indian industrial partners.

It is actually a very smart way to prepare for cooperation without repeating the mistake made with the SCAF program: starting by working together on an existing aircraft before sharing the design work for one that does not yet exist. When viewed together, the week’s news developments paint a striking picture: the Su-57 has been ruled out, the bid for 114 Rafales has been submitted, and official steps have been taken to join the French sixth-generation program.

Taken in isolation, each of these events might have its own explanation. Taken together, however, they begin to reveal a highly coherent Indian strategy.
 
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Idk man, I think we are doing the same thing that we did with russia in the past and putting too many eegs in one basket with regards to the french. I would much rather join the GCAP today than the FCAS which is going to come years from the GCAP. I just don't know.

i get that going for the FCAS would solve a combined problem for both the IN and the IAF considering the FCAS is carrier capable but idk if it can do STOBAR and although India does want a CATOBAR and has taken a lot of steps in that direction it will take time.

China is not going to sit and wait(But tbf they're alr vastly outclassing us in terms of 5th gens(they have 500+ j20s alr) and are 5 times our economic size) and are also outpacing the US as well)

Might be something taken with a lot of vision for the future but could also backfire hard if the FCAS goes though anymore issues.
 
Idk man, I think we are doing the same thing that we did with russia in the past and putting too many eegs in one basket with regards to the french. I would much rather join the GCAP today than the FCAS which is going to come years from the GCAP. I just don't know.

i get that going for the FCAS would solve a combined problem for both the IN and the IAF considering the FCAS is carrier capable but idk if it can do STOBAR and although India does want a CATOBAR and has taken a lot of steps in that direction it will take time.

China is not going to sit and wait(But tbf they're alr vastly outclassing us in terms of 5th gens(they have 500+ j20s alr) and are 5 times our economic size) and are also outpacing the US as well)

Might be something taken with a lot of vision for the future but could also backfire hard if the FCAS goes though anymore issues.

Just like for the france, India too can increase its trust moving forward from Rafale to Engine deal to SCAF.
We are not abandoning AMCA, fall back is already there .
Only Naval plans will get setback. Probably Tedbf evolution will be there for fall back I think.

It's actually nice to move forward in any direction than wasting time. And in this direction we got many stepping stones to make use off.. rather than waiting long time for anything tangible.