Pakistan Elections 2018 : News and Discussions

[_Anonymous_]

Ex-cricketer Khan leads Pakistan elections

Looks like a win for Imran Khan but not an outright majority. Will hace to get a smaller group to back him.
Zardari and Sharif will be worried. This guy will not let them get away with what they have stolen IMO

Zardari , NS & CO don't need IK for that, though he'd provide a convenient fig leaf for the PA's actions & in doing so will ensure the execrable rise of the Mullah brigade.

I'm afraid your reading of the situation is fallacious . While one doesn't condone corruption , at least with regular elections one can get rid of the detritus within the political system & in the course of time cleanse it . Having said that , the mainstream political outfits at least have a touch of modern thinking in them .

With the gradual & deliberate sidelining of mainstream political parties like the PML & the PPP , not to mention the ANP which has seen better days , the day isn't far when Islamist parties of various hues occupy the vaccum , with their own versions of Islam and their guns to back it up . If in this melee , the PA thinks they'd be able to call the shots , I reckon this is another one of their spectacular miscalculations , one of the many in their long and lacklustre attempts in governing the state . Possibly , a fatal error .


I think this election and it's aftermath is more of an epoch . I've a distinct sense of foreboding for the future of Pakistan and it's ramifications in the neighbourhood.

 

[Superkaif]

Zardari , NS & CO don't need IK for that, though he'd provide a convenient fig leaf for the PA's actions & in doing so will ensure the execrable rise of the Mullah brigade.

I'm afraid your reading of the situation is fallacious . While one doesn't condone corruption , at least with regular elections one can get rid of the detritus within the political system & in the course of time cleanse it . Having said that , the mainstream political outfits at least have a touch of modern thinking in them .

With the gradual & deliberate sidelining of mainstream political parties like the PML & the PPP , not to mention the ANP which has seen better days , the day isn't far when Islamist parties of various hues occupy the vaccum , with their own versions of Islam and their guns to back it up . If in this melee , the PA thinks they'd be able to call the shots , I reckon this is another one of their spectacular miscalculations , one of the many in their long and lacklustre attempts in governing the state . Possibly , a fatal error .


I think this election and it's aftermath is more of an epoch . I've a distinct sense of foreboding for the future of Pakistan and it's ramifications in the neighbourhood.

My take is im sitting in the UK comfortably - what i see is a party that has borrowed more in 5 years than Pakistan ever borrowed in its previous 66 years. The leaders bludgering the state coffers as if its their personal slush fund. What is their to show for it? A nation on the brink of bankrupcy. I see wholesale corruption from top to bottom. IMO - these parties have had their day and time. IK may not be a magician and conjure a miracle but hey why not give him a chance to see if there is an improvement in the structure?
We have heard so much from IK - lets see if there is a change.

 

[_Anonymous_]

My take is im sitting in the UK comfortably - what i see is a party that has borrowed more in 5 years than Pakistan ever borrowed in its previous 66 years. The leaders bludgering the state coffers as if its their personal slush fund. What is their to show for it? A nation on the brink of bankrupcy. I see wholesale corruption from top to bottom. IMO - these parties have had their day and time. IK may not be a magician and conjure a miracle but hey why not give him a chance to see if there is an improvement in the structure?
We have heard so much from IK - lets see if there is a change.

How much of this borrowing was due to mismanagement of the economy over the years and how much of it is due to corruption by the PML ? Are there any studies to prove that most of it if not all of it is the PML's doing & within these 5 years ? What's the proportion of the populace in Pakistan which pays IT or even it's electricity bills? Do you have any info on it ?

Apart from this , the armed forces have a lions share of the resources .In order to justify it , they needle India and claim justifiable need to seek strategic depth in Afghanistan. The CPEC is a direct manifestation of both - bankruptcy in the financial sense and of ideas , with resulting paranoia being an obvious symptom of a larger malaise .This is addition to the vast Empire Fauji Foundation commands and more of it on the way courtesy the CPEC .

See what I'm saying - It's nobody's case that the PML is corrupt or even the PPP . They're a reflection of the society at large - the same society which has thrown up the PTI . Much the same condition exists in India minus the army calling the shots and regular elections to ensure we get slightly better asses to rule us .

Positive change then is incremental and slow . Negative change though is seen faster once one crosses the saturation point with cascading effects across the spectrum and into a ever quickening downward spiral. The former is India's story .

 

[Superkaif]

How much of this borrowing was due to mismanagement of the economy over the years and how much of it is due to corruption by the PML ? Are there any studies to prove that most of it if not all of it is the PML's doing & within these 5 years ? What's the proportion of the populace in Pakistan which pays IT or even it's electricity bills? Do you have any info on it ?

Apart from this , the armed forces have a lions share of the resources .In order to justify it , they needle India and claim justifiable need to seek strategic depth in Afghanistan. The CPEC is a direct manifestation of both - bankruptcy in the financial sense and of ideas , with resulting paranoia being an obvious symptom of a larger malaise .This is addition to the vast Empire Fauji Foundation commands and more of it on the way courtesy the CPEC .

See what I'm saying - It's nobody's case that the PML is corrupt or even the PPP . They're a reflection of the society at large - the same society which has thrown up the PTI . Much the same condition exists in India minus the army calling the shots and regular elections to ensure we get slightly better asses to rule us .

Positive change then is incremental and slow . Negative change though is seen faster once one crosses the saturation point with cascading effects across the spectrum and into a ever quickening downward spiral. The former is India's story .

I have no stats that i can quote or go to. What i can say is the empires made by the ex leaders have been incredible. Mismanagement by the likes of Dar have been incredible.
Surely it is those in power that are responsible for collecting payment on the energy services.
I think this is time for Pakistan to reflect and an opportunity for IK to implement his promises.
Rome wasnt built in a day - it will take time - perhaps too much time for IK but lets just see. I along with millions of ex pats are hoping so

 

[_Anonymous_]

I have no stats that i can quote or go to. What i can say is the empires made by the ex leaders have been incredible. Mismanagement by the likes of Dar have been incredible.
Surely it is those in power that are responsible for collecting payment on the energy services.
I think this is time for Pakistan to reflect and an opportunity for IK to implement his promises.
Rome wasnt built in a day - it will take time - perhaps too much time for IK but lets just see. I along with millions of ex pats are hoping so

Actually , you're just making a case for why PTI will sooner rather than later realise it holds no real power and hence can't really create or implement policy . In which case the temptation to grab as much as possible would be impossible to resist .

You already know what follows .

 

[Superkaif]

Actually , you're just making a case for why PTI will sooner rather than later realise it holds no real power and hence can't really create or implement policy . In which case the temptation to grab as much as possible would be impossible to resist .

You already know what follows .

As vcheng used to say - let’s just wait and see

 

[Paro]

Two years down the line theyll start hating Imran khan, army will step in and show a brighter option. People will go gaga over the newly blooming flower and the cycle will continue. Directly or indirectly PA gets what it wants, a nation for itself. Only this time it will have to share it with china.

Edit- People will want qiuck results and Imran khan will end up just as previous disappointments because he is inheriting a crippled economy whose majority revenue goes into debt payments and the rest into military’s piggybank.

 

[vstol Jockey]

My take on Pak elections is that PA got rid of NS to bring in IK to open up trade with India and also to bring peace on LOC. If PA had used NS for this goal, that wud have consolidated NS as a stronger person in Pak politics which wud have been detrimental to the interests of PA. So they have brought in their stooge.

 

[Butter Chicken]

My take on Pak elections is that PA got rid of NS to bring in IK to open up trade with India and also to bring peace on LOC. If PA had used NS for this goal, that wud have consolidated NS as a stronger person in Pak politics which wud have been detrimental to the interests of PA. So they have brought in their stooge.

Pakistan is currently facing an economic crisis and will give some sweet statements in the hope that tensions with India and US ease and they survive to fight another day

 

[vstol Jockey]

Pakistan is currently facing an economic crisis and will give some sweet statements in the hope that tensions with India and US ease and they survive to fight another day

yes. Supporting NS for these elections wud have made him very powerful but IK with a fractured mandate will always be at the mercy of PA and they will get to rule virtually from behind the curtains.

 

[_Anonymous_]

My take on Pak elections is that PA got rid of NS to bring in IK to open up trade with India and also to bring peace on LOC. If PA had used NS for this goal, that wud have consolidated NS as a stronger person in Pak politics which wud have been detrimental to the interests of PA. So they have brought in their stooge.

One of the principal reasons , CPEC is in is coz India is anathema to the PA. Besides dictating terms to IK on a/c of a fractured mandate , it's after a long time that both the civilian and military establishment will speak in one voice over Kashmir . Finally , in order that CPEC fully accommodates Fauji foundation , they need a pliable person heading the civilian administration . Remains to be seen how much will IK yield .

What remains beyond doubt is that the other mainstream parties viz PML , PPP & ANP will be breathing down IK's neck & every move that he & his party makes will be under scrutiny. How much of their antics will be tolerated by the PA remains to be seen. But open confrontation is the name of the game & will be the order of the day , to a large extent .

Pakistan is in for interesting times .

 

[vstol Jockey]

it appears to me that first they will open up land route to india for trucks from Afghanistan while Indian Trucks will not be allowed in Pak. next i think they will open more border areas for trade with India. Pak economy has suffered massive loses as result of this stupid idea of banning Afghan trucks from going all the way to India bcoz even Afghanistan denied them entry to central Asia.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Congrats Pindi for new boot polish boy, I really wanted to extend my regards to PM of Pakistan but unfortunately they don't have one.

There were few hiccups when counting started and for a moment it felt even with Taliban allies he won't be able to get majority but inshallah boys played well.

I see ridiculous amount of optimism for him even from seasoned people. Just give it a time, it will pass, there is not going to be any trade or better relations this is just too much. Wait sometime and see what a disappointment he turns out to be, been saying it from par 3 years will stick to that. He is Kejriwal, not Modi, aura and following don't give you capacity or competence.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

it appears to me that first they will open up land route to india for trucks from Afghanistan while Indian Trucks will not be allowed in Pak. next i think they will open more border areas for trade with India. Pak economy has suffered massive loses as result of this stupid idea of banning Afghan trucks from going all the way to India bcoz even Afghanistan denied them entry to central Asia.

And sir what do you think they will trade or export? Their domestic industry is already engulfed by China and it is not competitive even in Pakistan you seriously think they will be competitive in India or Central Asia after import duty, insurance and transportation cost?

Beside few million agri products they don't really have anything to sell. So chill sir, there is NOT going to be any trade opening

 

[Guynextdoor]

Agreed that Nawaz/Zardai are corrupt to core, however I find Nawaz a bit better than Zardari.

Imran is for sure going to be an army guy, just look at how army, him and certain sections of judiciary are all hands in gloves. His soft spot for extremism and army tendency to use non state actors make them fit for each other.

However almost 100 lives in couple of days is too much a cost. RIP

His soft spot is for his own ambition more than anyone else. If army India or America get him what he wants he’ll go for it

 

[Guynextdoor]

If somebody wants to know more about Pakistan history, please watch this series very nicely explained

What the hell is this bullshit

 

[_Anonymous_]

If somebody wants to know more about Pakistan history, please watch this series very nicely explained

The true history of Pakistanis , by Pakistanis & for Pakistanis.

 

[TARGET]

The true history of Pakistanis , by Pakistanis & for Pakistanis.

Go through the complete series 1,2,3... you will see how military ruler ruled the country for so many years and how they betray each other ,For India this election will not change anything we understand ISI successfully did the transition of power from Nawaz Sharif a puppet to another puppet Imran Khan who will be good for another 10 years and then they will again blame the same Imran Khan and bring new puppet Bilawal Bhutto and the story will continue ...India will push Pakistan in all international forum as a terrorist country and there will be internal conflict in Pakistan as Punjabi will not accept this election.

 

[Aravind]

Feel free to interpret !!

Tell me about it, i escaped Hyderabad Gokul Chat Bomb blast by Indian Mujahideen just by mere seconds a friend of mine died in that blast, his elder brother was in BSF and he was supposed to join the BSF soon, He went along with his fiancee, She wanted to take something home from that Gokul chat, and the home parcel is what my friend payed for with his life! I told my family i was going to eat some Bhelpuri and pick up some new PC game titles. Imagine the horror when your mobiles are blocked and there is no way to call your home to say you are safe!

 

[Aravind]

My take on Pak elections is that PA got rid of NS to bring in IK to open up trade with India and also to bring peace on LOC. If PA had used NS for this goal, that wud have consolidated NS as a stronger person in Pak politics which wud have been detrimental to the interests of PA. So they have brought in their stooge.

Are you forgetting the Chinese hand in this? FATF grey list i can understand! but somehow the PA thinks it can rescue its country from economic slump using jingoism! Pakistanis are not Japanese or duty bound Samurais! If you think that its for better of Bharat then why did they wait so long?