Jammu & Kashmir live updates: GOI remove all provisions of Article 370

Pakistan needs to understand that the blade they are using to bleed to India ,cuts them and bleeds them more. You cannot win any war using proxies. Bangladesh was possible only after India retaliated militarily if we would have been quiet , Bangladesh movement would have been culled.
Kashmiri perception is bound to change when they see their Jammu and Ladakh people having a high standard of living , driving posh cars , enjoying life while they live under a threat
 
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This baba tweet about Al asjf shop is true.it is very famous.it is clear that indian submarine is inside pakistani waters.1 minute and seconds means very close to Karachi coast.that tweet is unexpected.
The distance quoted by him is One click-to launch the missile and 58 seconds as flight time. Brahmos flies at 3600kms/hr. So 58 seconds mean 58 kms. Last time we moved forward after Pulwama and your sub slipped out. This time we will sink it within the harbour while exiting.
 
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India has succeeded in outflanking Pakistan | Opinion

There is now no scope to discuss the issue of Kashmir with Islamabad in any “comprehensive dialogue”

Updated: Aug 06, 2019 20:28 IST
By Kanwal Sibal
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A security person stand guard before the Centre announced scrapping of Article 370. India has consistently maintained that J&K is an integral part of India, that third parties, including the UN, have no role in the state(PTI)

A bold and historic decision has been taken by the Narendra Modi government to scrap Article 370/Article 35A, separate Ladakh from Jammu and Kashmir (J&K), and make both of them Union territories (UTs). It would have undoubtedly considered at length its internal and external repercussions. If immediate violence on the ground may be prevented because of large-scale security deployments, the challenge would be to control violent protests once the local forces organise resistance on an Islamic platform, fueled by propaganda in mosques and instigation from abroad.

Pakistan will do its best to promote clashes between protestors and the security forces so that it can highlight the issue of human rights violations in J&K. Already in July 2018, India had to strongly rebuke the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva for its biased report on human rights violations in Kashmir. We have coped with such partisan attacks since 1990s in much more difficult external circumstances when western human rights organisations were targeting us viciously on the issue, and the US was unsparing in its criticism.

One can expect the Pakistani parliament to pass an all-party resolution condemning and rejecting India’s move. Massive demonstrations in Pakistan against India’s step could take place, but if jihadi organisations are too visible and call for violence against India, Islamabad will have to worry about the impact of this fervour on its commitments to the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to curb the supporting structures of terrorism on its soil, besides preserving the right atmosphere for receiving the financial bailouts it needs.

Pakistan will surely approach the UN Secretary General and the Security Council on what it will argue are steps that are repugnant to Kashmir’s “disputed” status and are violative of UN Resolutions. It will accuse India of “illegally” integrating Kashmir fully into the Indian Union, violating the rights of Kashmiris, defying the international community, disturbing peace in a sensitive region and creating tensions that could degenerate into a conflict transcending India’s borders. Pakistan may make some propaganda capital for domestic consumption but is unlikely to get any substantial satisfaction.

India has consistently maintained that J&K is an integral part of India; that third parties, including the UN, have no role in J&K (which is why we do not recognise the writ of UNMOGIP on our side in J&K); and that the J&K issue has to be discussed bilaterally between the two countries as per the Simla Agreement. This may not deter the UN Secretary General’s office from issuing some objectionable statement, as it did very recently on “armed conflicts” in Kashmir and the Maoist belt, ignoring altogether the element of terrorism in both cases. We will, of course, reject any such statement if it is issued.

The UN Security Council (UNSC) can hardly take cognisance of Pakistan’s complaint. We may have already briefed the UNSC members, including the P-5, of the purpose of our legislative move. Pakistan is bound by the Simla Agreement, which excludes the jurisdiction of the UN. Former secretary generals have conceded that the UN Resolutions on Kashmir are no longer applicable.

America’s stated official position is that Kashmir is a bilateral issue to be resolved between India and Pakistan, which is also the position of all major countries, including France and the UK. US President Donald Trump has proposed mediation, if both sides want it, but it is American, not UN intervention, that he has in mind. Pakistan will of course seek Trump’s intervention on the ground that the Indian move will interfere with its efforts to midwife the peace process in Afghanistan.

One cannot see the US, Russia, France or the UK agreeing to inscribing the issue on the UNSC agenda and, merits apart, risk severely straining ties with a rising India, and even China giving a thumbs-up and jeopardising the second informal summit between Prime Minister Modi and China’s President Xi Jinping in India later this year.

Beyond all this, Article 370 was introduced after the defunct UN resolutions on J&K, and therefore, the UN has no locus standi in the matter. One may recall that, in 1970, the territory of present day Gilgit-Baltistan was made into a separate administrative unit in Pakistan under the name “Northern Areas”. In January 2019, Pakistan’s Supreme Court passed an order involving Gilgit-Baltistan to which India objected on the ground that the court had no jurisdiction over an area belonging legally to India. At best, Pakistan can lodge a protest to India on changing the legal status of J&K within the Indian Union.

Pakistan can activate the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) on the issue, especially the OIC Contact Group on Kashmir, but given our vastly improved relations with the Gulf countries in particular, it is unlikely that it will obtain support from the OIC at large.

Most importantly, India’s move deflates Imran Khan’s propagandist peace moves towards India. Now, there is no scope for discussing the “outstanding issue” of Kashmir with Pakistan in any “comprehensive” dialogue, which means that the likelihood of any resumption of dialogue to normalise relations has receded further. Pakistan has been outflanked by India.

All in all, the Modi government has taken a risky but much needed step in the long- term interest of the country and deserves applause for this.

Kanwal Sibal is former foreign secretary. The views expressed are personal

India has succeeded in outflanking Pakistan | Opinion
 
Whole of J&K is Indian Territory.
But they are an atumi mulk with roohani taquat sir. How can we possibly bring PoK with in our hold ? Anyway a lot of people are talking about GB since yesterday's big announcement, I wonder what's up.
It all seems fanciful right now, but so did 377 and 35A removal like a day ago. Anything more you can add on that ?
 
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Sorry to bring PDF into this. But some of these people need immediate mental guidance.

man, what a meltdown.

I kinda feel bad, how difficult must it be to function as a normal adult with such ridiculous insecurities. This is an almost political variant of Breaking TV's after cricket losses.
 
They are my views.i have no idea about my mental condition.why I lie here? Yes I was sad after your decision but you will decide how to treat kashmiri people and not us.it is your job sir.i was very sad because I am also facing problems( I mean domestic problems). I don't believe in false bravado.against 8lakh indian soldiers,we can't fight a war.it is useless.
For once, I agree with @Arsalan123.. He is being practical
 
don't hold your breath. They are relevant because they are true leaders of their people. And you don't need a position to lead. And before people here start dissing them, all three in question, Abdulla, his son and Mehbooba are the best things India could have had. While people in the valley were baying for blood, this gang managed the impossible- win their elections and still maintain a balanced relationship with India. No one in the valley had the guts to come in front of cameras and claim that India is secular because Hindus are the most secular people in the world- farooq Abdulla did when BJP was winning all around. He has every right to be heart broken. It is important for us to let him know that our vision is not to take the unique identity of Kashmir but that we have a compelling way forward. India is not a country where you can pound people into accepting authority.

Your logic on farooq abdullah looks like "Nehru created IIT hence its ok for him to give half of kashmir" . Him calling hindus secular doesn't absolve him from corruption and keeping his fellow Kashmir's poor or holidaying in London when kashmiri pundits were killed and chased away from the valley .
 
But they are an atumi mulk with roohani taquat sir. How can we possibly bring PoK with in our hold ? Anyway a lot of people are talking about GB since yesterday's big announcement, I wonder what's up.
It all seems fanciful right now, but so did 377 and 35A removal like a day ago. Anything more you can add on that ?
Regarding POK,stage is not set for that yet, and we are not prepared yet...First J&K's current situations to be handled properly because pakistan will try to do something nasty job...May be we are preparing for the worst but surprises happen...One thing we must understand in our mind that never ever believe to America..
 
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China calls UT status for Ladakh ‘unacceptable’, triggers India’s sharp response

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Hu Shisheng, a leading Chinese expert on India, said one reason behind New Delhi’s decision to divide Kashmir into two union territories was to separate two major disputes – one with Pakistan and another with China.

The director of the Institute of South and Southeast Asian and Oceania Studies at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations said the move was aimed at separating “the two most ticklish disputes in the world from each other” and “to try to settle the Kashmir dispute unilaterally”.
 
Sounds good...
But imho practically not possible. Will take more than a week to achieve this. Pak army will not be a complete pushover in a conventional war. Unless india is planning to open multiple fronts incl Afghan and tajik.

Against weak strategic thinking which is habit in Indians. Nothing is easy, not even abrogating article 370 which required ~50,000 additional troops within 10 days. It took Modi 5 years to plan and execute this.

We don't have to take entire POK. We have to put our eyes on Gilgit Baltistan. And not even all of that, just the upper part which is connected to Wakhan Corridor. Caputring GB will allow India to have direct land route to Afghanistan and will permanently cut Pakistan off from China thus de-fanging the Dragon. We need a strategic vision to achieve this within 5 years.
 
Sounds good...
But imho practically not possible. Will take more than a week to achieve this. Pak army will not be a complete pushover in a conventional war. Unless india is planning to open multiple fronts incl Afghan and tajik.
No more ******* of 1999. LOC extends to IB now. If Pak tries something on LOC, reply will be else where. Similarly, we may initiate things on LOC and take the excuse that we crossed IB due to aggression on LOC.
 
Against weak strategic thinking which is habit in Indians. Nothing is easy, not even abrogating article 370 which required ~50,000 additional troops within 10 days. It took Modi 5 years to plan and execute this.

We don't have to take entire POK. We have to put our eyes on Gilgit Baltistan. And not even all of that, just the upper part which is connected to Wakhan Corridor. Caputring GB will allow India to have direct land route to Afghanistan and will permanently cut Pakistan off from China thus de-fanging the Dragon. We need a strategic vision to achieve this within 5 years.
Look, I'm happy if we can achieve this. And veterans here surely know more so I respect their view. My limited point is achieving this is very likely, but doing so by 14aug? That may he a stretch
We dont have the element of surprise as the enemy is wary now. We can achieve full air dominance in 2 days, our navy dominates PN without even leaving Mumbai harbour, but in a conventional war, PA should not be underestimated. Coming from a family that has sent 5 members to Arty , this is the general consensus at home.

Would LOVE to be proved wrong though!!
 
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