All of them have or will have four not more than that.
f-35 for sure is going to have this adapter called sidekick allowing six amraams in IWB, not sure of korean one, but that tweet suggests IWB version of it will carry 6 amraams.
F-35 Closer To Carrying Six AIM-120 Missiles Internally
Known as Sidekick, the upgrade will give F-35As and Cs the ability to go from four to six AIM-120 missiles in their internal bays.
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Okay, I didn't know this existed. It could be possible in the future with the under-development BVR missile.f-35 for sure is going to have this adapter called sidekick allowing six amraams in IWB, not sure of korean one, but that tweet suggests IWB version of it will carry 6 amraams.
F-35 Closer To Carrying Six AIM-120 Missiles Internally
Known as Sidekick, the upgrade will give F-35As and Cs the ability to go from four to six AIM-120 missiles in their internal bays.
AMCA or KF-21 won't have this capability with the current missiles. The airframe is smaller overall.
@Parthu what do you think of it, those six holes in the bulkhead do they mean six weapon station inside IWB for KF-21?f-35 for sure is going to have this adapter called sidekick allowing six amraams in IWB, not sure of korean one, but that tweet suggests IWB version of it will carry 6 amraams.
F-35 Closer To Carrying Six AIM-120 Missiles Internally
Known as Sidekick, the upgrade will give F-35As and Cs the ability to go from four to six AIM-120 missiles in their internal bays.
What six holes? There's only four - right now they are just for recessed carriage, but you can see some space has already been created in the bulkhead for weapon bays, though it still looks like it's only enough for four:
in this pic from this tweet, red circle
Maybe, something like sidekick adapter of F-35 from start will be used?
I don't know what that guy is on about but those holes he's circled in red aren't for weapons storage, they are above the inlet ducts and are likely for cable passthroughs.
There is a space for weapons bay, but that is below the inlets. From what I can tell, it's for 4 missiles.
Also, that tweet is from 2020. Weapons bay integration has now been differed till Block 3.
If KF-21 can carry 6 BVRs in its IWB then I would be impressed as even the F-35 can only carry 4 for now.
yeah, that guy is kind of weird, he downplays japanese, chinese and turkish defense industry as they are competitors to ROK in that market, but I think he is saying 6 holes equals to 6 cables for each weapon station not sure how that works.
Interesting that IWB will be from block-3, I didn't know that before.
yeah it is impressive if KF-21 can carry 6 amraam sized missles in IWB version of that plane. But I feel AMCA should look into the sidekick upgrade and try to build 6 BVR IWB from the start and also keep in mind for future integration CUDA AAMs kind of smaller AA missiles.
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Turkish Aerospace Advancing Additional Kaan Prototypes
In articles published in the company’s in-house journal at the beginning of May to mark the first flight of the Kaan prototype earlier this year, the company says production of the second prototype, referred to as P1, is “proceeding according to schedule.” It is scheduled to move into final assembly later this year and be placed onto its landing gear in 2025, before flying later that year, the documents state.
TAI says it will produce 29 Kaan prototypes, but these likely will include the first 20 pre-production standard aircraft. The OEM hopes to begin delivering them to the Turkish Air Force beginning in 2028.
The first prototype, which has made two flights—on Feb. 21 & May 6—is referred to as P0. According to the TAI articles, P0 was produced in just nine months to meet three needs: as a “demonstration to government officials, to perform a hangar rollout and display aircraft engine starting.”
It appears P0 then was adapted for flight using “newly developed strengthening systems,” writes the Kaan program assembly manager, Celal Onur Alkas. A series of structural checks was conducted to ensure the prototype could deal with “anticipated flight loads,” reports Ugur Zengin, the TAI executive vice president for the Turkish fighter program. The aircraft also was fitted with a new canopy for bird-strike testing, while the landing gear was rigorously tested, he notes.
The aircraft originally was due to make its first flight on Feb.20, but “minor deviations” from the simulation were noted in the flight control system so the flight was delayed.
The OEM says the Kaan is 90% indigenous, with 100 Turkish companies supporting the program. Some 24 of the 30 subsystems used on P0 were supplied by domestic companies and work is continuing to localize parts sourced from foreign entities.
Among the foreign components are the General Electric F110engine from the Lockheed Martin F-16, two of which power the prototype Kaan. The other is the Martin-Baker ejection seat. TAI owned TUSAS Engine Industries (TEI) and TR Motor are leading development of an indigenous engine to replace the F110 for later blocks of the fighter.
As part of the development of the pre-production aircraft that will form Block 0, system architectural design has been completed and during 2024, engineers will work on “establishing test procedures.” Also, during 2024, two system integration laboratories will be commissioned.
System critical-design review meetings with subcontractors are expected in the second quarter of 2024, followed by critical-design review meetings for Block 10 aircraft systems in the third quarter, the articles state.
Work also is ongoing on qualifying materials for low observability, as well as wind-tunnel and flight-control system testing. A roadmap is being developed for the software to equip the aircraft entering Turkish Air Force service in 2028, as well as the ground software that will assist maintainers.
TAI also is continuing construction of infrastructure to support development efforts at its Ankara campus. Projects include test facilities for lightning strikes, near-field radar cross-section trials, and structural test and verification. The articles also mention development of a flying-test laboratory that is expected to make use of a second-hand business jet, as first reported by Aviation Week.
“The facilities and infrastructures that Kaan has brought to our country and our company during the development process will play a significant role in realizing numerous projects as the hub of the Turkish aviation,” TAI Chairman Rafet Bozdogan writes.
TAI officials also are working on “cooperation models” with foreign companies as the company looks to expand the Kaan program beyond Turkey, explains Osman Eldar Donmez, the Kaan program’s subcontracts manager. Agreements on the program have been signed with Azerbaijan.
“We are currently collaborating closely with the Presidency of Defense Industry Agency to advance these efforts,” Donmez adds.
The articles also say TAI already is looking beyond the Kaan and is “actively engaged in developing sixth-generation [combat]aircraft. However, no details have yet emerged about potential concepts.
I wonder who will do CDR for Kaan?
Stirling Dynamics (UK based) or TAI themselves?
TAI calls on Stirling Dynamics' support towards Hurjet CDR | Airframer
Their schedule is really tight, appears extremely unrealistic. Good luck to them though.
국산 KF-21, 공대공 미사일 '미티어·AIM-2000' 실사격 성공(종합)
KF-21 초도물량 20대 추가 계약에도 청신호 김귀근 김준태 기자 = 국산 초음속 전투기 KF-21 '보라매'가 8일 공대공미사일 '미티어'(Meteor)와 'AIM-2000' 첫 실사격을 잇달아 성공적으로 마쳤다
It will be interestng to see if they are able to remove the 'old style' external missiles structure and adapt bays in the same frame...
In the mean time, what will fill the empty space? fuel tanks?
To create a UCAV is one thing, a multi role fighter another.
Absolutely not the same level of technology, the same requirements.
Even if they built off the shelf some equipements (engines, electronic counter measures ? FBW system ? (as Gripen) ) it's far from beeing a reality.
Their shedule is unrealistic, probably because Erdogan is pushing to see some progress. Just see the first flight : no manoeuver, undercarriage out.... a screw up first attempt.
Unless someone's handing them tech, they will need years of flight testing, particularly, as you pointed out, the FBW. Plus it's a stealth design, so that presents its own challenges.
Unlike Korea and India, they are jumping right into 5th gen. And Korea and India have all the necessary tech already developed.
Lack an indigenous engine for all the birds.
And about the turkish jet, when I see how they struggle with their BATU MBT engine, I'm not confident.
In Korea's and India's case, France or America will provide engines. But yeah, the Turkish engine can become problematic. They are looking for a British solution. They are in the same boat as India is, with India at an advantage.