A Little Banter - Thread

[BMD]

''will'' ''can'' ''would''. Meanwhile there is no confirmed timelines for British (paper) launchers.

And a nation that have already developed medium launchers & developing HLVs wouldn't have either 'computing power' and 'knowledge base.' ??

Bit like Indian paper stealth aircraft.

There is only so far you can go with conventional rocket technology. We will catch up. meanwhile stealth aircraft continue to advance and you will not catch up.

 

[BMD]

It's already showing.



That's what you claim. There is no proof of any ToT or reverse engineering. Not to mention that any ToT is forbidden by MTCR.

Again we had a cryogenic upper stage before the Russians & have the most powerful cryogenic upper stage presently in operation with a larger CE20 engine.

And considering that the only liquid engines you have developed is a peroxide/kerosene engine which needed 4 thrust chambers to produce 65 kN vacuum thrust....



Already developed & approved for production. AHWR 300- Th-LEU Mox fuelled. Gen III reactor. Quite different from making tall claims & delivering little.

And then we have our own fourth generation one in works, CFBR.



Yes, a country that have no experience in space launchers other than a lone microsatellite launch would do better than a country will three decades of experience in the same.

Okay, I will accept that. Within almost ten years of launching satellites we had developed the PSLV.

So you should be able to come up with one in 3.333 years.

I want to see a British launcher as capable as PSLV by 2021. 3800 kg to LEO. No excuses.

Hope you'll be around then.



Apparently one of those non existent types went to service & was retired three decades back, other is being inducted & produced at rate of 18-24 per year.



No it didn't.

It took you 50 years to get from a microsatellite launch to the stage where you are planning to develop microsatellite launchers. At least we have nukes already.



I am yet to see that. And if her surname makes her a terrorist, your surname might make you a colonialist murderer.

What is?

Some things are just obvious, you copied it. This is why ToT is a major factor in all of your purchases. If you developed you own Mars launch vehicle tech from scratch, you sure as hell wouldn't need ToT on Rafales and Howitzers.

And is that 4th gen reactor fast breeder reactor commercial yet? Nope.

All Gen III means is inherently safe, and modular reactors satisfy that and are a lot smaller and cheaper.

I would love to see an Indian stealth fighter even by 2024.

It was a POS like Tejas.

The difference is that we weren't actually attempting to launch satellites ourselves between 1971 and now.

And what is my surname dummy?

 

[Amal]

What is?

The non existent space launch program.

Some things are just obvious, you copied it.

It's obvious ? Or is it just that you can't accept that Indians can develop Launchers while you can't ?

Indians can build space launchers, nuclear reactors, put a prove on Mars' orbit & develop SLBMs. Does it make sense ?

Apparently it is a closely guarded technology which is not given away for free.

If you developed you own Mars launch vehicle tech from scratch

That Mars launch vehicle was the same one which launched your satellites. Did you see us paying royalty to anyone for ToT ? No.

you sure as hell wouldn't need ToT on Rafales and Howitzers

An Indian 155 mm Howitzer is already developed & is on order. It's called ATAGS.

And is that 4th gen reactor fast breeder reactor commercial yet? Nope.

It is approved for construction. And it's predecessor will go critical this year.

It's called PFBR 500 MWe.

And we have our own designs of PHWRs under construction + FBRs & Gen III+ designs (AHWR & PWR).

All Gen III means is inherently safe, and modular reactors satisfy that and are a lot smaller and cheaper

But only some of those designs would be built. Rest would remain on paper. Shall I say which ?

I would love to see an Indian stealth fighter even by 2024

It will happen, Mr. Will.

It was a POS like Tejas.

Or Tornado ADV

The difference is that we weren't actually attempting to launch satellites ourselves between 1971 and now.

Eating your own words ? A PSLV equivalent by 4 years. Doable ?

And what is my surname dummy?

Tell us, I'm sure that there would be a British colonial prick with that surname who once 'served' in India.

 

[BMD]

The non existent space launch program.



It's obvious ? Or is it just that you can't accept that Indians can develop Launchers while you can't ?

Indians can build space launchers, nuclear reactors, put a prove on Mars' orbit & develop SLBMs. Does it make sense ?

Apparently it is a closely guarded technology which is not given away for free.



That Mars launch vehicle was the same one which launched your satellites. Did you see us paying royalty to anyone for ToT ? No.



An Indian 155 mm Howitzer is already developed & is on order. It's called ATAGS.



It is approved for construction. And it's predecessor will go critical this year.

It's called PFBR 500 MWe.

And we have our own designs of PHWRs under construction + FBRs & Gen III+ designs (AHWR & PWR).



But only some of those designs would be built. Rest would remain on paper. Shall I say which ?



It will happen, Mr. Will.



Or Tornado ADV



Eating your own words ? A PSLV equivalent by 4 years. Doable ?



Tell us, I'm sure that there would be a British colonial prick with that surname who once 'served' in India.

It's no longer non-existent though is it?

We haven't tried yet.

Britain put a satellite in orbit nearly 50 years ago and also developed the first commercial nuclear power station 62 years ago.

An SLBM is basically the equivalent of Britain's first space launch.

After ToT for GPS guidance.

Rolls-Royce have working modular Gen IIIs prototypes based on sub tech.

Will happen. Like sanitation will happen.

Tornado ADV was a decent interceptor for the 1980s. With a bit of nous they beat F-14s in training scenarios.

LEO launch by 2021. The rest will follow.

Most of those colonialists serving in India would probably be called Singh or something like that. I.e. Indian.

 

[Guynextdoor]

No because they knew you copied it. Every deal with India is a ToT deal.

And what was India doing in 1971 exactly. Ah yes the Gujarat riots. Just one of many massacres in post-colonial India.

I think you'll find they do engineering at universities too. And since when has India been better than the UK at engineering anything? Cars - no. Planes - no. Jet engines - no. Bridges - no. Tunnels - no. Buildings - no.

Won't have to compete with anyone. We're out of the EU, yay protectionism. UK first.

Yes, we financed a lot in the EU, now all that money will be ours to finance our own space program.

Yes, unlike you we cancel space programs in favour of a prosperous society. So what?

18th Century comment - You claimed the UK left India with 18th Century technology, it actually left you with 19th Century technology at worst. Before it came you had 11th Century technology and were burning widows and marrying children. I would call the abolition of the aforementioned and 19th century technology good progress for 2 centuries. But you would have done it anyway? What? Like Afghanistan did?

Actually as non signitory to MTCR india is not allowed to access technology for Cryo engines.

 

[BMD]

Actually as non signitory to MTCR india is not allowed to access technology for Cryo engines.

Yes but that hasn't stopped a lot of back-door deals. Like Mr. Kim Jong zero-to-ICBM-in-a-few-years Un.

 

[Amal]

It's no longer non-existent though is it?

We haven't tried yet.

LEO launch by 2021. The rest will follow.

Will would can will :rofl:

Without even having a properly funded space launch program....

An SLBM is basically the equivalent of Britain's first space launch.

Yes, a liquid fuel SLBM would be very practical...:-D

Britain put a satellite in orbit nearly 50 years ago and also developed the first commercial nuclear power station 62 years ago

And today you are literally nobodies in those fields, having near zero capabilities.

We started later and now we are ahead.

After ToT for GPS guidance

Why, when we have IRNSS ?

Rolls-Royce have working modular Gen IIIs prototypes

Where exactly?

Most of those colonialists serving in India would probably be called Singh or something like that

Most wannabe English Irishmen would have names like Padraig ?

 

[BMD]

*Yawn*

 

[Guynextdoor]

 

[Arvind]

Its Ok if you want to tell @_Anonymous_ about your taste of songs, but please dont do that in LCA thread.

Post moved.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Whoever had to make that choice.

That was precisely my point. Weigh that against your theory that they have too much at stake to indulge in suicidal behaviour. It's also linked to my other question regarding the chain of command in their SFC.

We know that it would be echelons of armed forces and political party in power. Both are too deep into power and luxury to relinquish their lives.

It'd be a fairly flat structure mostly concerning the PA minus the PN & PAF on board. You can forget about the politicians. They'd be informed after the missile has been launched. Whether the PA would be able to pin it successfully on the political leadership, remains to be seen.

My objective behind the question Was far deeper. If one knows the heirarchy, one can improve ones power to predict the future course of action fairly better.

There wont be any red lines till we can still accommodate the power hubs of Pakistani Punjab.

Your answer is cryptic. Perhaps you ought to elaborate.

Perhaps by Pakistan means Pakistan - deep establishment responsible for 26/11. India might be optimistic of Pakistan having another existing or possible power circle which is non complacent into terror.

Wrong. By getting GoI to back their theory of rogue/ non state actors , deep state gets the clean chit. Moreover, they would also have exposed our impotence and see that as licence to continue with their activities in Kashmir & across India without any fear of collateral damage confident in the thought that they have successfully blackmailed the GoI into accepting their N threats for any punitive venture post any repeat of a 26/11.

This "abke maar ke dikha" wont give us any mileage, rather would show as cowardice. We were not prepared that time, we may not be prepared even next time. Tactical retreats are only good if you can bounce back at right time.

On this topic, even I could play Devil's Advocate.

Reconquest PoK?

I need to tag @advaidhya to provide you a plan for that. I do not have any neither I look after for it.

In the event of another 26/11, if all we are going to do is make a show of our might by advancing a couple of kms into Pak based territory only to withdraw and enter into some sort of cease fire due to pressure exerted by the world, then I'm afraid your knowledge of strategic matters is equivalent to that of @BMD.

Fret not. You are in August company. Apart from BMD, you've practically most of our political class to give you company.

 

[Arvind]

That was precisely my point. Weigh that against your theory that they have too much at stake to indulge in suicidal behaviour. It's also linked to my other question regarding the chain of command in their SFC.



It'd be a fairly flat structure mostly concerning the PA minus the PN & PAF on board. You can forget about the politicians. They'd be informed after the missile has been launched. Whether the PA would be able to pin it successfully on the political leadership, remains to be seen.

My objective behind the question Was far deeper. If one knows the heirarchy, one can improve ones power to predict the future course of action fairly better.


Your answer is cryptic. Perhaps you ought to elaborate.

Wrong. By getting GoI to back their theory of rogue/ non state actors , deep state gets the clean chit. Moreover, they would also have exposed our impotence and see that as licence to continue with their activities in Kashmir & across India without any fear of collateral damage confident in the thought that they have successfully blackmailed the GoI into accepting their N threats for any punitive venture post any repeat of a 26/11.




In the event of another 26/11, if all we are going to do is make a show of our might by advancing a couple of kms into Pak based territory only to withdraw and enter into some sort of cease fire due to pressure exerted by the world, then I'm afraid your knowledge of strategic matters is equivalent to that of @BMD.

Fret not. You are in August company. Apart from BMD, you've practically most of our political class to give you company.

I thought you were playing devil's advocate but here you are playing GND.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I thought you were playing devil's advocate but here you are playing GND.

Takes one to recognize another.

 

[Arvind]

Takes one to recognize another.

Takes one to act one as well. Kudos to you, company do impact. For all the time you engage him.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Takes one to act one as well. Kudos to you, company do impact. For all the time you engage him.

Ditto.

 

[Arvind]

Ditto.

See what I said.

 

[_Anonymous_]

See what I said.

I agree with you. Please grow up. What will @BlackOpsIndia say if he saw you like this or even @Arbit

 

[Arvind]

I agree with you. Please grow up. What will @BlackOpsIndia say if he saw you like this or even @Arbit

I am worried.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I am worried.

You should be. Blackops can ban you.

 

[Arvind]

You should be. Blackops can ban you.

Yes he can, indeed. He can ban you too.

He should.