ADA AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

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Bagheera84 said:
I, as an ordinary civilian, don't understand a single sentence (not even half) of military threads. And where is this public information available? Is it internet? Is it some magazine? Or is it some thick book?
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Most of the people on defense forums doing genuine discussions are from science background and professionals in their respected field and have been following news all day past many years. Even if you are not from science background, following daily updates and doing online search will make you competent enough.
 
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Bagheera84 said:
Even to chat and comprehend about publicly available info, it takes professional / occupational knowledge and experience. How do laymen, having no links whatsoever to military, do it? I, as an ordinary civilian, don't understand a single sentence (not even half) of military threads. And where is this public information available? Is it internet? Is it some magazine? Or is it some thick book?
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read military journals, go to defence expos, talk to those serving or retired. All of us have a lot of interest in the field, even if we don't pursue it professionally, we keep up to date as best as publicly available. Forums help us understand perspectives from different parts of the world and the military geeks in those parts.

There is a surpsing amount of technical literature available to the public. Even if it's hard to completely keep up with it today, if you continue to read and keep up to speed with the happenings, you'll become a nerd like the rest in no time.
 
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Old document, but it looks like AMCA will have 1394 databus, rather than 1553.
 
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The AMCA is the most significant military project cleared by the Narendra Modi government before the Lok Sabha election. However, it is learnt that there was opposition, including from a section in the armed forces, against the AMCA on account of its high cost. But its developers told the PMO that the project risked losing its relevance if it did not receive the go-ahead now, and that other countries, just like Turkey has, would steal a march on India in developing a stealth jet.
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I feel, PMO stalled the program for few years by waiting for industry participation.

Dr Girish Deodhare, former head of the ADA, says he is delighted with the government’s go-ahead. “We have been working on the AMCA for over a decade. Government sanction came at the right time, as most of the technologies are matured.”
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Even after retirement this guy cant speak up.

www.indiatoday.in

5th gen fighter jet for India | A stealthy lethal force

The Cabinet Committee on Security has flagged off the prototype development and testing stage of India's indigenous fifth generation stealth fighter jet, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA). Slated to be in production from 2035, it would make the IAF battle-ready for the future
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
 
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As much as you would hate, the Parliamentary SCoD also advised the Govt to buy 5th gen jets should it be available to us as export option for the time being while AMCA takes shape. Several countries are showing a certain aerodynamic design and most casual viewers are assuming it is immediately a matured system and generations apart from existing jets. Actual stealth does not come from there and the stealth itself is a product of various measures, which is why certain types of tech are always denied. It takes time to develop those tech, and our work is very thorough. various sources give various timelines, sometimes overly optimistic, and people complain. Lots of background games, overtures happen in this business. In our case Govt decided on sanctioning the project just recently. So why complain?

Anything that flies can be & will be tracked irrespective of how much low frontal/back/sideways rcs you measure.
 
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over 90% stealth is purely shaping. A bomber like Vulcan built in mid 50s used to disappear from those UHF/VHF radars completely at certain angles. In those days no one could understand the reason for it. There was no RAS in those days nor was anykind of ASPJ.
 
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Sort of proof for what we have already heard before, the stealth technology demo TD project work needed some more time hence AMCA approval grant was taking time. Without gtting the baseline tech matured enough for a product, it was hard to sanction AMCA program.

DLJ work on variety of stealth coating related work btw across all domains and platforms , naval, land and air based.

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marich01 said:
Sort of proof for what we have already heard before, the stealth technology demo TD project work needed some more time hence AMCA approval grant was taking time. Without gtting the baseline tech matured enough for a product, it was hard to sanction AMCA program.

DLJ work on variety of stealth coating related work btw across all domains and platforms , naval, land and air based.

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AFAIK, we've already developed F-35 like CNT fibre-mat RAM/RAS for AMCA. I so hope that MKI UPG. also gets such material in its skin along with LCA MK2 & TEDBF.
 
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RASALGHUL said:
Source for this ??
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Here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/993432340096417792

Note:

1. It's not a paint but would work as AMCA's skin.

2. It's Ultra Wide Band, so unlike most modern RAMs which work only in select frequencies especially X-Band, it'll be like F-35's CNT skin, which means it would absord RF across multiple bands. F-35's CNT skin absorbs RF from 0.5 GHz to 60 GHz. Ours would be very similar if not the same, IMO.
 
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Can anyone explain what is going on with AMCA? There are some conflicting statements from ADA Director and HAL MD.

  • ADA director, Dr. Jitendra Jadhav says that the CCS was provided after PDR and CDR.
  • HAL MD says AMCA is still in conceptual stages and the engine is yet to be decided. I am assuming he was referring to AMCA MK2. It is a bit strange as for MWF/LCA MK2 he explicitly says PDR and CDR completed with manufacturing started (aligned with what ADA Dir says). For AMCA, I wonder why no info was provided on MK1 which is to be built by HAL as SPV route has gone nowhere.

Amca @20:33

AMCA @26:30
 
Kane said:
Can anyone explain what is going on with AMCA? There are some conflicting statements from ADA Director and HAL MD.

  • ADA director, Dr. Jitendra Jadhav says that the CCS was provided after PDR and CDR.
  • HAL MD says AMCA is still in conceptual stages and the engine is yet to be decided. I am assuming he was referring to AMCA MK2. It is a bit strange as for MWF/LCA MK2 he explicitly says PDR and CDR completed with manufacturing started (aligned with what ADA Dir says). For AMCA, I wonder why no info was provided on MK1 which is to be built by HAL as SPV route has gone nowhere.

Amca @20:33

AMCA @26:30
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I think you've got it spot on! CCS approval is basically for initial prototypes of MK1 with GE F414 engines. There is no AMCA MK2 until we finalise its definitive engine. I think post elections a lot of big ticket defense deals are going to go through including the engine JV for AMCA. Let's see!
 
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Kane said:
Can anyone explain what is going on with AMCA? There are some conflicting statements from ADA Director and HAL MD.

  • ADA director, Dr. Jitendra Jadhav says that the CCS was provided after PDR and CDR.
  • HAL MD says AMCA is still in conceptual stages and the engine is yet to be decided. I am assuming he was referring to AMCA MK2. It is a bit strange as for MWF/LCA MK2 he explicitly says PDR and CDR completed with manufacturing started (aligned with what ADA Dir says). For AMCA, I wonder why no info was provided on MK1 which is to be built by HAL as SPV route has gone nowhere.

Amca @20:33

AMCA @26:30
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Also keep in mind that ep was shot few months ago before airing
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Despite this the fact remains that there ain't no AMCA MK2 without its definitive 5th gen engine. Once that it done, then it's game on;)
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No doubt Safran has submitted their roadmap and so has RR now decision stands with us (IK it will be Safran) but most likely announcement after elections near the end of the year
 
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