Agni & Prithvi Ballistic Missiles : News & Discussions

The version of A-5 tested today is probably what @hellbent found some photos of a couple of years back:

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I came here to make "is it round or pointy?" jokes. I guess that answers the question.

This version of the A-5 is so different from its initial form that it might as well be a new missile.

Good they have officially tested this. For a long time we had the tech for an ASAT & a MIRVed ICBM but the political leadership hesitated from demonstrating it publicly. There are internal programs for FOBS & hypersonic glide vehicles in the works. Wonder if those will be publicly demonstrated too.

Feb 2019 - ASAT test
Mar 2024 - MIRV test

I'm rather concerned that we may have to wait till just before the 2029 elections to see the next big thing 😬
 
This is the first "official" image of Agni 5 MK2 missile. It also looks slightly more compact in length over the previous version. Probably lighter and faster too along with having much more range. Our true blue state of the art ICBM: something just handful of nations in our planet possess.
 
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Let me know when it's actually deployed.

For the Nth time, India has already deployed MIRV capable missiles from last more than ten years. Even Agni 3 was MIRV capable carrying 3 RVs....

What we have tested now is much more advanced version of MIRV with decoys, maneuverable RVs to beat ABMs, newer capabilities eg trajectory control, penetration aids, decoys in a SoS configuration & also advance miniature nuclear weapons RVs...

What is important to note is the timing of the test. This test was carried out in tandem with more than 10000 troops being shifted from Pakistan border and deployed on the Chinese front apart from the the huge deployment already available to send the message don't mess with India during elections which Chinese are contemplating.

Next test will be ASAT in a week or 2. Save this post, we will discuss next week about ASAT test...😊

By the way when will UK test it's Trident missile again. Last time it was tested it felled just a few metres from the submarine it was launched and was dangerously close to destroy the multi billion dollar submarine...😂😂🤣🤣

 
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For the Nth time, India has already deployed MIRV capable missiles from last more than ten years. Even Agni 3 was MIRV capable carrying 3 RVs....

What we have tested now is much more advanced version of MIRV with decoys, maneuverable RVs to beat ABMs, newer capabilities eg trajectory control, penetration aids, decoys in a SoS configuration & also advance miniature nuclear weapons RVs...

What is important to note is the timing of the test. This test was carried out in tandem with more than 10000 troops being shifted from Pakistan border and deployed on the Chinese front apart from the the huge deployment already available to send the message don't mess with India during elections which Chinese are contemplating.

Next test will be ASAT in a week or 2. Save this post, we will discuss next week about ASAT test...😊

By the way when will UK test it's Trident missile again. Last time it was tested it felled just a few metres from the submarine it was launched and was dangerously close to destroy the multi billion dollar submarine...😂😂🤣🤣

Pallav Bagela here said he saw mirv way back in 2012 itself , few more things were also made clear by Dr Saraswat sir.

 
Pallav Bagela here said he saw mirv way back in 2012 itself , few more things were also made clear by Dr Saraswat sir.

It confirms what I said...
Had same problem with safriz who mocked me whenever I told that we have MIRV capable missiles deployed even though I had posted images of satellite bus to launch multiple satellites which is almost the same technology used for MIRV capable missiles..😊
 
Let us know when you finally test american Trident missile, successfully.

Successful Royal Navy test firings had occurred in 2000, 2005, 2009 and 2012. They are infrequent due to the missile's £17 million cost.[134] By August 2016 there had been 161 successful test firings of the Trident II D-5 missile since 1989, the most recent being from USS Maryland in August 2016.[135] Fewer than 10 test flights have been failures

It should also be noted that the test missiles are older and less well maintained as well as being build to less stringent quality controls. The 2nd to last failure was also operator error, it received the wrong data.

Now let's have a comparison with Russia:


"Matthew Savill, director of military sciences at the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi), said that overall Trident had a “good record”. The US, which has the same system, announced there had been 191 successful test firings since 1989 and “single figure” number of failures. He said this compared with a reported 50 per cent failure rate for the Russian Bulava missile recently accepted into service. A US submarine successfully fired a Trident missile as recently as October. ...Savill said that nuclear powers monitored each others’ tests closely, and the “demonstration of a credible, ie functioning, capability is an important part of deterrence”.

And that's a brand new missile. RS-28 is currently running at 50% also.

How about India?




Now search this document for the word 'fail'. 88 hits. 5 hits for unsuccessful too. Now GFY.:)

 
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For the Nth time, India has already deployed MIRV capable missiles from last more than ten years. Even Agni 3 was MIRV capable carrying 3 RVs....

What we have tested now is much more advanced version of MIRV with decoys, maneuverable RVs to beat ABMs, newer capabilities eg trajectory control, penetration aids, decoys in a SoS configuration & also advance miniature nuclear weapons RVs...

What is important to note is the timing of the test. This test was carried out in tandem with more than 10000 troops being shifted from Pakistan border and deployed on the Chinese front apart from the the huge deployment already available to send the message don't mess with India during elections which Chinese are contemplating.

Next test will be ASAT in a week or 2. Save this post, we will discuss next week about ASAT test...😊

By the way when will UK test it's Trident missile again. Last time it was tested it felled just a few metres from the submarine it was launched and was dangerously close to destroy the multi billion dollar submarine...😂😂🤣🤣

Thats MARV, multiple arrayvre entry vehicle. Yesterday's one is MIRV. When DRDO & PM himself stating that its the first MIRV, why you guys are saying otherwise?
 
Thats MARV, multiple arrayvre entry vehicle. Yesterday's one is MIRV. When DRDO & PM himself stating that its the first MIRV, why you guys are saying otherwise?

Ok let me make it simple...
We tested ASAT in 2019 but it was already tested in 2009 & deployed in 2012 itself...
Only thing in 2019 we did was we announced that we have ASAT Missiles.
Why was it announced?
Because Chinese destroyed our RiSat satellite. So we announced are capabilities to give subtle message that next time you mess with with our satellites we'll do same to you...

So why we announced MIRV now?

Chinese are contemplating Galwan type skirmish before elections. Reason why shifted 10000 troops from western warm borders to cold eastern borders even without acclimatization ...

Last time during Galwan skirmishes Indian govt threatened to use Nukes to destroy Guangzhou and Shanghai if matters go beyond control and Lizard went back to its shit hole...

Again saying it's just the timing of announcement... We already had deployed MIRV in 2012 with Agni 3 although with only 3 RVs but this test is with 7 to 10 warheads & decoys which brings India at par with P5...😊
 
Last time you claimed that South Korea was ahead of India in terms of ICBM tech. Now eat your words back🙂
What is the need for comparing with SK. Let him do it.

Look at what this proves

a. Miniaturization of navigation systems on individual warhead modules
b. Capability of targeting without need for external navigation systems
c. Miniaturization of nuclear warheads. This also proves Pokhran miniaturization was on track all this while.
d. Canisterisation. This, I think is the most critical part which we are not talking about. Mated warheads. If there are 10 Agni-Vs deployed, then you are looking at at least 30 warheads deployed. Add to this the next stage, which will be SLBM. We are talking about at the least 50 deployed warheads.
e. Miniaturisation can lead to one more cog in the triad. Namely, Air Launched Nuclear Hypersonic Cruise Missile.

The last one is what I expect us to do over the next few years. It will mean a dramatic change in our nuclear policy, where we will speak like the French. Employment of tactical nukes before going strategic. This also is useful in the 2 front scenario. Enabling us to move the capability across both fronts, comparatively quickly.
 
What is the need for comparing with SK. Let him do it.

Look at what this proves

a. Miniaturization of navigation systems on individual warhead modules
b. Capability of targeting without need for external navigation systems
c. Miniaturization of nuclear warheads. This also proves Pokhran miniaturization was on track all this while.
d. Canisterisation. This, I think is the most critical part which we are not talking about. Mated warheads. If there are 10 Agni-Vs deployed, then you are looking at at least 30 warheads deployed. Add to this the next stage, which will be SLBM. We are talking about at the least 50 deployed warheads.
e. Miniaturisation can lead to one more cog in the triad. Namely, Air Launched Nuclear Hypersonic Cruise Missile.

The last one is what I expect us to do over the next few years. It will mean a dramatic change in our nuclear policy, where we will speak like the French. Employment of tactical nukes before going strategic. This also is useful in the 2 front scenario. Enabling us to move the capability across both fronts, comparatively quickly.
Agni-5 MK2 with 3 MIRV bus(and decoys) all capable of MaRV is going to be literally impossible for Chinese BMD to intercept. So, it's a great capability addition for us(y)

Btw, great points👏
 
Putting mated warheads across the fleet in tri services nuke triad via variety of platforms, chiefly 3 of those being on the land alone, and count is still stuck at 160 :censored:
What we will be looking at in 2029 is a̶n̶ multiple Avangard lite fit inside the V3C top fairing , ie the structure in the pic. Btw needless to say, the lady there is the Divya Putri, the PD of yesterdays test.

Also about the tactical use part, what is B-05/Shourya for? unless you want some aerial platform doing that of course, but that is only gonna happen when scramjet powered reusable veehicle come into service as a hyperplane.

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It confirms what I said...
Had same problem with safriz who mocked me whenever I told that we have MIRV capable missiles deployed even though I had posted images of satellite bus to launch multiple satellites which is almost the same technology used for MIRV capable missiles..😊
In the Nitin Gokhale program Dr Avinash Chander said they started work on mirv related papers from 1999. That is true, science behind it was long researched on & perfected. Deploying it in a system was matter of weaponisation & also needed right boundary conditions derived from nuke miniaturisation work for obvious reasons. You need a broad idea about what your payload systems are gonna be otherwise you won't be able to design a realistic frozen config in our case. These are not old dumb warheads that are released at specific points in the trajectory. Each of these mirv can do own maneuvering to counter any ABM threat.
 
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report on the PD


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