Agni & Prithvi Ballistic Missiles : News & Discussions

[ranadd]

Funny.
If SLV and ballistic missiles are the same things, why every country including India have different organizations doing each?
Why ISRO doesn't make and fly Agni missiles and why is there a need of DRDO if both technologies are the same? In fact going by your assumptions Missiles are far inferior technology than Satellite launch rocketeering. So ISRO doing the superior thing , could easily have handled building inferior Agni series missiles and DRDO a separate institute wasn't needed?

About the video you posted,both North Korea and Iran launch satellites, have performed similar stunts of recording videos from their SLV and posted videos,yet none of them have MIRV.

About you not believing that Pakistan has MIRV and it's a bluff. Belief is not fact, it's a personal thing. You may believe what you want.

Just stop typing rubbish.

There are lots of reasons to separate civilian and military assets. Start reading about how the world works before talking about bombs. Pakistanis, always with the damn bomb.

Business. There are lots of companies around the word with strict policies that will not engage in deals with other companies that produce munitions for one. You do know that there are companies that don't even deal with tobacco manufacturers?.

Similar but not same, how do you think financial sanctions work?

Human Resource. Hiring, Training, Benefits are all different in both.

ISRO vs DRDO: Even though they are 2 different organisations, people are in constant deputation to both. US government shutdown was present for the last 2 days. It affected SpaceX's, a private company, engine test. why? Dont say money because it was not the main reason. Give exact reason.

You cannot say ISRO does the superior thing. Because no one says that. There is no proof.

Since your country lack R&D, this is not a slight, read how R&D works. ISRO is free to cooperate with other agencies for scientific endeavors. Just like NASA or ROSCOSMOS. But DRDO is not, Like DARPA.

Really? You want to compare ISRO with NK and Iran launches? Only you would do that. No one in Academia does that. But I get that your intent is to downplay ISRO. So...

Pakistan does not have MIRV because it does not. Technology does not exist in vacuum. It evolves or progresses from something. Now try to tell from where it did. But honestly MIRV in a IRBM? Why? What is the point? Producing more mobile delivery systems is the cost effective solution. But MIRV away.

Please, before replying, think for a second if it makes sense. Not Pakistani sense but normal sense. If again you reply with gibberish, there is a ignore list waiting for you.

 

[safriz]

Just stop typing rubbish.

There are lots of reasons to separate civilian and military assets. Start reading about how the world works before talking about bombs. Pakistanis, always with the damn bomb.

Business. There are lots of companies around the word with strict policies that will not engage in deals with other companies that produce munitions for one. You do know that there are companies that don't even deal with tobacco manufacturers?.

Similar but not same, how do you think financial sanctions work?

Human Resource. Hiring, Training, Benefits are all different in both.

ISRO vs DRDO: Even though they are 2 different organisations, people are in constant deputation to both. US government shutdown was present for the last 2 days. It affected SpaceX's, a private company, engine test. why? Dont say money because it was not the main reason. Give exact reason.

You cannot say ISRO does the superior thing. Because no one says that. There is no proof.

Since your country lack R&D, this is not a slight, read how R&D works. ISRO is free to cooperate with other agencies for scientific endeavors. Just like NASA or ROSCOSMOS. But DRDO is not, Like DARPA.

Really? You want to compare ISRO with NK and Iran launches? Only you would do that. No one in Academia does that. But I get that your intent is to downplay ISRO. So...

Pakistan does not have MIRV because it does not. Technology does not exist in vacuum. It evolves or progresses from something. Now try to tell from where it did. But honestly MIRV in a IRBM? Why? What is the point? Producing more mobile delivery systems is the cost effective solution. But MIRV away.

Please, before replying, think for a second if it makes sense. Not Pakistani sense but normal sense. If again you reply with gibberish, there is a ignore list waiting for you.

Nah, don't lose your sleep,I won't reply to you anymore. I am shaking in my boots due to your "ignore list" threat . Bye.

 

[safriz]

I'd venture that the division between a missile R&D facility and that catering to civilian rocket programs isn't unique to India . Its prevalent all over the world including Pakistan . You don't see SUPARCO manufacturing the Shaheen or the Ababeel , do you !

Is it your contention that missile manufacturing facilities don't derive primary technological knowledge thru civilian rocket programs ? Are there no technical exchanges between these two arms of a nation - state ? They serve different purposes and a great degree of adaptation of such technologies by the military is common enough the world over.

Those stunts you're referring ( Iran & NoKo) to didn't extend to launching multiple satellites through a single launcher . For that matter what kind of satellites did they launch ? What were the payloads ? Were they meant for LEO or GEO ? These are questions you need to ask before posting what you did .

I'm of the firm belief that Pakistan has a handful of MIRV capable BM but like everything else it owes its existence not to the R&D conducted by your scientists but to China and NoKo. The question then to be answered is whether they're under the command and control of the PA or whether they lie under Chinese supervision .

Yes, both technologies have similarities and unique points.
Both SLV and Ballistic missile use rockets to put an object to space.
But a ballistic missile payload is designed to plunge back to earth enduring extreme temperatures and mechanical forces and still remain functioning all along. Hence needing heat shield and other technologies
which SLV payload won't.
The payload of an SLV is designed to stay in space and doesn't need heat shields.
An SLV can take it's time , doesn't need to be too fast , doesn't need to be on the standby all the time. Fuel economy is important and commercial feasibility is paramount.
If weather is bad, the satellite launch can be delayed and that will be fine, so the SLV doesn't need to be an all weather rocket.
An SLV has to have fuel economy for commercial reasons, so liquid fuel rocket engines with slow prolonged burn time is more suitable.
A nuclear ballistic missile is a war machine and fuel economy has no importance. It has to be in the ready day, night, winter, summer,rainy or sunny day. So the design features and requirements are very different from SLV.
Speed is needed to deliver nuclear payload as quickly as possible and fast burning high thrust solid fuel more suitable.

Then size and weight restrictions.
An SLV can be big and heavy. As long as it can be slowly moved from a shed to a Launchpad on a railway line, all is good.
A Nuclear ballistic missile has to be as small and light as possible,while maintaining payload capacity and range.
Also automation.
As long as as SLV is semi automatic,all is good. It had to fly to 200-300 km altitude and inject one or more satellites to a "Transfer orbit" which is a rough, inaccurate orbit. Then ground people can take control and send command to satellite for maneuvering into position. This can be one maneuver or many and can take an hour ,a week or many weeks. There is no rush.
A nuclear ballistic missile has to be fully automated and autonomous after launch as it is a war machine and the team launching it may be dead in enemy air raid or missile strike soon after launch. The nuclear warhead has to be injected into a trajectory accurate enough to hit the target or smallest possible CEP. There won't be any course correction signals sent by any ground crew as it happens in case of SLV.
So a nuclear ballistic missile needs a far better and efficient guidance system than an SLV.

There are few differences I could think of between SLV and Nuclear ballistic missiles.

 

[safriz]

I'm venturing you won't be seeing the Ababeel at all . One fine day , you're going to see a brand new missile touted as a better version of the Ababeel and MIRV to boot . Of course , I've nothing to back up my statements except past happenings within the Pakistani security establishment to go by .

We will have to wait and see if it gets paraded this year on 23rd march or not.
Deployed missiles are paraded and shown to public.

 

[bonobashi]

Exactly, so arguing that since no miniaturized warhead has been put on display qualifies as having none is outright incorrect or purely speculations.

Personally, on these matters, I would rather be pessimistic than optimistic.

 

[Notsuperstitious]

Does this safriz guy have any new official data on indian missiles and nukes? No.

Does the data he use for pakistani capabilities make any scientific sense other than wild claims by pakistani water car engineers that have traditionally fallen flat over time? No.

He compares pictures and always interprets lack of data to make convenient assumptions, the intellectually correct thing to say is "we dont know"

After this, if u want to waste time with his utter nonsense, its upto you.

 

[safriz]

AgnI-3 BURNOUT TIMES.

Missile goes supersonic after 30 seconds of launch.
First stage Burnout at 87 Seconds
All stages Burnout at 3 Minute 08 seconds.
Since its a two stage Missile, the second stage burnout time must be 100 seconds.

Start watching the video at 3:27

 

[safriz]

Agni-1 burnout time 55 seconds.
This is also the only video where Indian nuclear warhead trigger mechanism can be seen working.

 

[safriz]

Agni-V first stage burnout time 90 seconds.
Watch from 1:30 onwards, listen to commentary.

 

[suryakiran]

India successfully test-fires nuclear capable Agni-1

BALASORE (ODISHA): India today successfully test-fired its short-range nuclear capable ballistic missile Agni-1 with a strike range of over 700 km from a test range off the Odisha coast, Defence sources said.

The indigenously developed surface-to-surface missile was launched as a part of a periodic training activity by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) of the Army to consolidate operational readiness, they said.

The state-of-the-art missile was launched around 8.30 am from a mobile launcher at Pad 4 of the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at the Dr Abdul Kalam Island, formerly known as Wheeler Island, the sources said.

Describing the trial a "complete success", they said that all the mission objectives were met during the test.

"The trajectory of the trial was tracked by a battery of sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and naval ships right from its launch till the missile hit the target area with pin point accuracy," the sources said.

The sophisticated Agni-I missile is propelled by a solid rocket propellant system and is equipped with a specialised navigation system that ensures it reaches the target with a high degree of precision, they said.
The missile, which has already been inducted into the armed forces, has proved its performance in terms of range, accuracy and lethality, the sources said.

Weighing around 12 tonnes, the 15-metre-long Agni-I can carry payloads up to 1,000 kg and is capable of hitting a target beyond 700 km. The missile is also capable of carrying nuclear warheads.
The Agni-I was developed by the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in collaboration with the Defence Research Development Laboratory (DRDL) and the Research Centre Imarat (RCI). The missile was integrated by the Bharat Dynamics Limited, Hyderabad.

The ASL is the premier missile development laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO).

 

[Sathya]

India successfully test-fires nuclear capable Agni-1

BALASORE (ODISHA): India today successfully test-fired its short-range nuclear capable ballistic missile Agni-1 with a strike range of over 700 km from a test range off the Odisha coast, Defence sources said.

The indigenously developed surface-to-surface missile was launched as a part of a periodic training activity by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) of the Army to consolidate operational readiness, they said.

The state-of-the-art missile was launched around 8.30 am from a mobile launcher at Pad 4 of the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at the Dr Abdul Kalam Island, formerly known as Wheeler Island, the sources said.

Describing the trial a "complete success", they said that all the mission objectives were met during the test.

"The trajectory of the trial was tracked by a battery of sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and naval ships right from its launch till the missile hit the target area with pin point accuracy," the sources said.

The sophisticated Agni-I missile is propelled by a solid rocket propellant system and is equipped with a specialised navigation system that ensures it reaches the target with a high degree of precision, they said.
The missile, which has already been inducted into the armed forces, has proved its performance in terms of range, accuracy and lethality, the sources said.

Weighing around 12 tonnes, the 15-metre-long Agni-I can carry payloads up to 1,000 kg and is capable of hitting a target beyond 700 km. The missile is also capable of carrying nuclear warheads.
The Agni-I was developed by the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in collaboration with the Defence Research Development Laboratory (DRDL) and the Research Centre Imarat (RCI). The missile was integrated by the Bharat Dynamics Limited, Hyderabad.

The ASL is the premier missile development laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO).

Some other missile got tested i guess

 

[safriz]

Some other missile got tested i guess

No i think its the Agni-1P India announced they will be developing.

 

[nair]

India successfully test-fires nuclear capable Agni-1

BALASORE (ODISHA): India today successfully test-fired its short-range nuclear capable ballistic missile Agni-1 with a strike range of over 700 km from a test range off the Odisha coast, Defence sources said.

The indigenously developed surface-to-surface missile was launched as a part of a periodic training activity by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) of the Army to consolidate operational readiness, they said.

The state-of-the-art missile was launched around 8.30 am from a mobile launcher at Pad 4 of the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at the Dr Abdul Kalam Island, formerly known as Wheeler Island, the sources said.

Describing the trial a "complete success", they said that all the mission objectives were met during the test.

"The trajectory of the trial was tracked by a battery of sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and naval ships right from its launch till the missile hit the target area with pin point accuracy," the sources said.

The sophisticated Agni-I missile is propelled by a solid rocket propellant system and is equipped with a specialised navigation system that ensures it reaches the target with a high degree of precision, they said.
The missile, which has already been inducted into the armed forces, has proved its performance in terms of range, accuracy and lethality, the sources said.

Weighing around 12 tonnes, the 15-metre-long Agni-I can carry payloads up to 1,000 kg and is capable of hitting a target beyond 700 km. The missile is also capable of carrying nuclear warheads.
The Agni-I was developed by the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in collaboration with the Defence Research Development Laboratory (DRDL) and the Research Centre Imarat (RCI). The missile was integrated by the Bharat Dynamics Limited, Hyderabad.

The ASL is the premier missile development laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO).

Old stock clearance????

 

[bonobashi]

Does this safriz guy have any new official data on indian missiles and nukes? No.

Does the data he use for pakistani capabilities make any scientific sense other than wild claims by pakistani water car engineers that have traditionally fallen flat over time? No.

He compares pictures and always interprets lack of data to make convenient assumptions, the intellectually correct thing to say is "we dont know"

After this, if u want to waste time with his utter nonsense, its upto you.

You really seem to have your knife into him.

 

[Sathya]

No i think its the Agni-1P India announced they will be developing.

Reports have come that missile tested with new reentry updates

 

[Ashwin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/960896231915511808

 

[safriz]

Reports have come that missile tested with new reentry updates

Indian missile program is a bit confusing at times.
Almost all missiles had been developed separately and only in later stages some shared components.
A-4 and A-5 use the same warhead but developed from different pedigrees.
K-15 uses Agni 1 or 2 warhead and K-4 uses Agni 5 warhead. There seems to be no pattern, no pre planning.
SLBM series should have been MIRV from day one, not something left to be added later
Agni-1 re-entry vehicle is the only one in the Indian arsenal which can be used in MIRV configuration on a 2 meters or wider missile, such as A-5..
By comparison Pakistan uses Shaheen-1A as test vehicle for two other missiles, the Shaheen-3 and Ababeel. Guidance and othersystems and re-entry vehicle behaviour was first tested on Shaheen-1A and then the RV deployed on Shaheen-3 and Ababeel.
Grouping together missiles and deployment of technology tested on one on others saves time and money.
India doesn't seem to be doing that.

 

[safriz]

India successfully test-fires nuclear capable Agni-1

BALASORE (ODISHA): India today successfully test-fired its short-range nuclear capable ballistic missile Agni-1 with a strike range of over 700 km from a test range off the Odisha coast, Defence sources said.

The indigenously developed surface-to-surface missile was launched as a part of a periodic training activity by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) of the Army to consolidate operational readiness, they said.

The state-of-the-art missile was launched around 8.30 am from a mobile launcher at Pad 4 of the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at the Dr Abdul Kalam Island, formerly known as Wheeler Island, the sources said.

Describing the trial a "complete success", they said that all the mission objectives were met during the test.

"The trajectory of the trial was tracked by a battery of sophisticated radars, telemetry observation stations, electro-optic instruments and naval ships right from its launch till the missile hit the target area with pin point accuracy," the sources said.

The sophisticated Agni-I missile is propelled by a solid rocket propellant system and is equipped with a specialised navigation system that ensures it reaches the target with a high degree of precision, they said.
The missile, which has already been inducted into the armed forces, has proved its performance in terms of range, accuracy and lethality, the sources said.

Weighing around 12 tonnes, the 15-metre-long Agni-I can carry payloads up to 1,000 kg and is capable of hitting a target beyond 700 km. The missile is also capable of carrying nuclear warheads.
The Agni-I was developed by the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in collaboration with the Defence Research Development Laboratory (DRDL) and the Research Centre Imarat (RCI). The missile was integrated by the Bharat Dynamics Limited, Hyderabad.

The ASL is the premier missile development laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO).

ASL , DRDL , DRDO, BDL.
That's four organisations involved in development of one seemingly simple missile Agni-1?
They might be up to something.

 

[suryakiran]

ASL , DRDL , DRDO, BDL.
That's four organisations involved in development of one seemingly simple missile Agni-1?
They might be up to something.

Not really. ASL and DRDL are laboratories of DRDO. DRDO is the parent organisation. BDL is Bharat Dynamics. It is the PSU company which actually makes the missiles. ASL is the main laboratory of the DRDO for strategic (read nuclear) ballistic missiles. This lab is off limits to practically everybody. Avionics and navigation are handled by RCI Imarat. The Dr APJ Kalam Missile Complex comes under RCI Imarat.

So in reality, its DRDO and BDL. Under DRDO you have ASL, DRDL and RCI.

In case, you want to learn more Laboratories of DRDO

 

[suryakiran]

Indian missile program is a bit confusing at times.
Almost all missiles had been developed separately and only in later stages some shared components.
A-4 and A-5 use the same warhead but developed from different pedigrees.
K-15 uses Agni 1 or 2 warhead and K-4 uses Agni 5 warhead. There seems to be no pattern, no pre planning.
SLBM series should have been MIRV from day one, not something left to be added later
Agni-1 re-entry vehicle is the only one in the Indian arsenal which can be used in MIRV configuration on a 2 meters or wider missile, such as A-5..
By comparison Pakistan uses Shaheen-1A as test vehicle for two other missiles, the Shaheen-3 and Ababeel. Guidance and othersystems and re-entry vehicle behaviour was first tested on Shaheen-1A and then the RV deployed on Shaheen-3 and Ababeel.
Grouping together missiles and deployment of technology tested on one on others saves time and money.
India doesn't seem to be doing that.

The main thing is people think what is getting tested is what is being published. Believe me when I say this. Neither the DRDO nor MoD are that honest. People think we release all information regarding the DRDO. Complete hogwash as far as the ballistic missile programs are concerned.