Agriculture in India : News, Updates, Discussion & Analysis

1. There is No alteration in MSP system whatsoever.
2. MSP is useless if I can’t sell my produce as the whole Arhatiyas/middleman system is corrupted to the core. Govt have made them the owners of whole purchasing system and they use this to mint money from the so called Arhatiyas who go buy the crops in bulk at throwaway price.
So it’s them who decide at what cost (and %profit) they will allow us to sell it to Govt. govt has essentially brought a corrupt middleman in between farmers and FCI and we just can’t bypass them. Well until now. So yeah good riddance
1) If you allow a parallel private mandi system and private players pay Rs.50 extra, saved from no imposition of mandi tax on private mandis or even Rs.50 or Rs.100 from their own pockets and recovered from consumers by raising the food stuff prices for 3-4 years, govt mandis will be destroyed in this time period, because mandi employees, arthiya employees or workers and even arthiyas can’t sustain themselves for this long. After this, private player will have field day, they can set prices as they want, they can store as much as they want and flood the market next year to crash the prices during that grain season.

Anyone here thinks, private businessmen want to access market for charity and give high prices more than MSPs to farmers for farmers benefits?

2) So you know more than us about our mandi system? And farmer want to keep corrupt mandi system for his losses according to you? Really...this is your thought process!
 
And if you still can’t comprehend it, you will always feel bemused to why we are supporting it and then labelling us as Anti-Sikh , Anti-Punjab, Sanghi, Hindi tava, Bhakt and what not
Check the previous posts, who started this! Who is labeling Sikh farmer anti-hindu, Pakistani sponsored, Khalistanis, Anti nationalals, Terrorists, Morons, Clowns and what not!
 
1) If you allow a parallel private mandi system and private players pay Rs.50 extra, saved from no imposition of mandi tax on private mandis or even Rs.50 or Rs.100 from their own pockets and recovered from consumers by raising the food stuff prices for 3-4 years, govt mandis will be destroyed in this time period, because mandi employees, arthiya employees or workers and even arthiyas can’t sustain themselves for this long. After this, private player will have field day, they can set prices as they want, they can store as much as they want and flood the market next year to crash the prices during that grain season.

Anyone here thinks, private businessmen want to access market for charity and give high prices more than MSPs to farmers for farmers benefits?

2) So you know more than us about our mandi system? And farmer want to keep corrupt mandi system for his losses according to you? Really...this is your thought process!
1. Then force the Centre to allow states to charge some amounts to maintain the level playing field. Anyway tell me if Hindustan Motors or HMT going defunct have impacted your Car or Tractor buying experience in anyway?
Let the Govt care about such things. If Rajiv hadn’t allowed Suzuki to enter into Auto industry, you should’ve another Mandi system in Auto industry with all bells and whistles like MSP, Agents cut and Quota etc. thankfully Rajiv and later PVN Rao were visionary and refused to bow down to popular demand.
No one works on charity, not even governments. They need money to function.

2. I know better about our Mandi system. Never once I said how it works in Haryana or Punjab. It may be working for you but not us.
That’s why I said States govts should take charge of This whole system. It’ll be better for everyone to modify according to needs of individual states. If Punjab don’t want to allow private players, just block them at state level.
No farmer want any middleman like you don’t want anyone in case of buying on Amazon or Flipkart. You don’t want Airtel to charge 5% as convenience charge just for buying a *censored*ing Shampoo.
 
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Check the previous posts, who started this! Who is labeling Sikh farmer anti-hindu, Pakistani sponsored, Khalistanis, Anti nationalals, Terrorists, Morons, Clowns and what not!
Come on man. Don’t be stupid. Everybody knows what’s the reality. Some idiots making some noise doesn’t make them popular opinion.
They saw few Khalistani posters and went on overdrive. Everyone else including Ministers are saying otherwise. I bet 70 % of them don’t even have spent a day with any Sikh family.
Sikhs of Canada and UK are very Pro Khalistani in general. They even harass Indian Sikhs too as far as I’ve read and regularly block Indians to enter Gurudwaras there. Even Captain Amarinder was not allowed to enter into Canada some time ago.

Truth is hardly any Sikhs in India supports any type of religious separatist movement like Khalistan etc. And those who do such antics do it just to spite self proclaimed hyper nationalists. There are few people who do indulge in insulting Hindus like Yograaj Singh etc and give a chance to Our Internet warriors.

And why do you care ? Do you have some doubt on yourself or your patriotism?
I’m a Brahmin and people spew venom even in front of me sometimes. But that doesn’t make me loose my senses.
Bhai people casually insult us and we don’t give *censored*. You should do the same
 
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'Swarajyamag'..LOL🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
No comments.....bhwaahahahagaaaa😆😆😆😆

Who sowed the seeds Hindutva?

Who sowed the seeds of lynching?

Who sowed the seeds of Babari Mosque demolition?

And finally....

Who let the dogs out..who..who..who..who???🤓
The way I see it, you want to refute the source I've quoted you post an alternative source to back up your claims.

The way I also see it , if there's 1 ethnoreligious group who's prospered the most in India it's the Jutt Sikhs. Post the Singh Sabha "Reformation", with British support they first captured all religious institutions, compiled the Rehat Maryada by converting & reinterpreting GurSikhi into JuttSikhi, established their own ethnoreligious party the Shiromani Akali Dal, dominated the political landscape in the newly created Punjab post it's reorganisation & through it the economy ( all major landowners in Punjab today are JuttSikhs) , captured the SGPC ( not a single Akal Takht Jathedar is ever from a non Jutt Sikh background) , ensured that not a single Non Jutt Sikh becomes the CM post Zail Singh till date & being no more than 20% have ensured that JuttSikhi = Sikhi.

You look at the post Mandal landscape across North India & practically every state has had a CM from the BC / OBC / Dalit castes or similar parties. The only exception is, you've got it right, Punjab. Punjab with a nearly 30% SC population. Every state has had a dominant socio economically & politically empowered caste grouping dominating the political landscape in their state be it the Jats in Haryana, the UC in Bihar or UP, etc. However in every such state you also see a cobbling together of a network of rival socio economically & politically weaker caste grouping be it the Yadavs in UP / Bihar or a similar non Jat alliance In Haryana or a non Patel led alliance in Gujarat, a Maratha vs Non Maratha alliance in Maharashtra etc. This is true all over the country except, you said it - Punjab.

The present crisis is further evidence of this stance. Now while there are a lot of criticisms that can & ought to be made of Hindutva, how exactly is JuttSikhi entitled to make these criticisms is beyond me. But let that not prevent you.

What these farm laws have done is they will unintentionally be a catalyst to break down this absolute monopoly over power that this lobby enjoys. It took some time for them to discover it but when they did they turned this into a Sikh vs Hindu , a Sikh vs RSS / BJP, a Sikh vs GoI fight. Which is why I'm glad the GoI restrained itself on 26/01 & let these JuttSikhs expose themselves & their true intentions to the world.

Whatever support they garnered evaporated that day & that's exactly where you stand today. Discredited & helpless with even the MSM - some of whom being renowned Modi baiters forced to recalibrate their coverage & support to this agitation. Look at the headlines & news shows of any such organization & compare their coverage today to what it was prior to 26/11. It's negligible. You've lost the battle of the narrative. The rest will shortly follow.
 
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Check the previous posts, who started this! Who is labeling Sikh farmer anti-hindu, Pakistani sponsored, Khalistanis, Morons,

The way I see it, you want to refute the source I've quoted you post an alternative source to back up your claims.

The way I also see it , if there's 1 ethnoreligious group who's prospered the most in India it's the Jutt Sikhs. Post the Singh Sabha "Reformation", with British support they first captured all religious institutions, compiled the Rehat Maryada by converting & reinterpreting GurSikhi into JuttSikhi, established their own ethnoreligious party the Shiromani Akali Dal, dominated the political landscape in the newly created Punjab post it's reorganisation, captured the SGPC ( not a single Akal Takht Jathedar is ever from a non Jutt Sikh background) , ensured that not a single Non Jutt Sikh becomes the CM post Zail Singh till date & being no more than 20% have ensured that JuttSikhi = Sikhi.

The present crisis is further evidence of this stance. Now while there are a lot of criticisms that can & ought to be made of Hindutva, how exactly is JuttSikhi entitled to make these criticisms is beyond me. But let that not prevent you.

What these farm laws have done is they will unintentionally be a catalyst to break down this absolute monopoly over power that this lobby enjoys. It took some time for them to discover it but when they did they turned this into a Sikh vs Hindu , a Sikh vs RSS / BJP, a Sikh vs GoI fight. Which is why I'm glad the GoI restrained itself on 26/01 & let these JuttSikhs expose themselves & their true intentions to the world.

Whatever support they garnered evaporated that day & that's exactly where you stand today. Discredited & helpless with even the MSM - some of whom being renowned Modi baiters forced to recalibrate their coverage & support to this agitation. Look at the headlines & news shows of any such organization & compare their coverage today to what it was prior to 26/11. It's negligible. You've lost the battle of the narrative. The rest will shortly follow.
Now you will teach me about Sikhi, Sikhism and Sikhs🙃😁! And now a specially a RSS guy criticising JATT Sikhs and Sikhs in general is beyond me. RSS promoted manuvadis and brahmins, which promoted castism, who has all Brahman heads except one high cast Rajput is teaching me about castism in Sikhs (I never know till about the cast background of Akaltakhat jathedar till date, similarly I never know the cast of RSS Head till recently, after the farmer agitation started). SGPC is controlled by SAD Badal faction a close aly of RSS for a long time. I am sure you can enlight us that RSS would have conveyed its reservations regarding plight of non Jatt Sikhs in Punjab and regarding non Jatt Sikh Jathedar!

Have you heard or read about any post where I mentioned cast? RSS has failed till know in its propaganda against Jatt Sikhs and would fail terribly in future too. You should be aware of that there is very negligible presence of RSS ally Badal controlled SGPC (Jatt Sikh dominated as claimed by you) in farmer agitation. On the other hand, you must be aware of DSGPC (with negligible presence of Jatt Sikhs) is playing a prominent role and has large presence in farmer agitation!

Its RSS/BJP worked its asses of to make it Sikh vs Hindu, but all in vain and don't worry future will have same outcome. I am culturally Sikh and will pass as Hindu 1000 time out of 1000. I was full of praises for tolerance of major part of Hindu religion. But now I think RSS creating a religious monster i.e. Pakistan on steroids, which is seriously damaging the unity of our country and different Indian communities just to remain in power. Also, RSS worked hard to create differences between Jatt Sikhs with Non Jatt Sikhs, Sikhs vs Hindus in Punjab, but failed here too. Then tried to create differences between farmers of Punjab and haryana on SYL issue, then Sikh vs Non Sikh farmers, then small vs large farmers, then UP vs Punjab/Haryana, but every move of so called Kautilya failed in front of farmers unity!

Hindu religion is taken over by higher cast Hindus since long, they surviving by creating differences between Different Hindu casts. Majority SC, ST, OBC Hindus are being continuously marginalized by higher cast Hindus to keep hold on Power. But to surprise of everyone marginalized Hindus are awakening to this exploitation of so called higher casts, they are now understanding that they being used & exploited as vote bank till now. Now you should smell the coffee, your days are numbered in power. Real Hindus started questioning demanding their fare share in power. Social media is educating them! Tell me, how many lower cast Hindus are their in Ram Janm Bhumi Mandir Shilaniyas Trust except one SC out 12 or 20 members.

Now about agitation losing narrative war in masses, wake up this agitation is expanding in whole nation after initial set backs due of 26/01 concipiracy by govt goons and recovered completely. Its after when BJP forced national channels to completely blackout the protest and ordered to propagate anti protest propaganda. But it had opposite effect, now talk to any villager he will tell you that it was BJP govts doing. Now just wait and watch, Modi-Shah-Ambani-Adani cartel going down.

Now I am not going to answer your mental masturbation and mental gymnastics any more. If you want to discuss farmer protests topic any more, then post logically! Your propaganda will not work with me!
 
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So drugs and food grain are the same thing? RIP Logic!
Yes in a business transaction its the same, a commodity.

Now about service providers, Arthiyas in our mandi system are not middle man and are essential for mandis. Yes there space for improvement, but removing arthiyas is not improvement. A middle man purchases food grain or any commodity at low price, lower than MSP and sell at high price to govt or any other traders/consumers & earn profit. Arthiyas did not purchase anything period. They work as commission agent for govt.
Don't make up your own definition of a middleman. A drug or gold smuggler takes a cut according to the size of the transaction which is exactly what arthiyas doing.

As there is MSP everyone in the transaction knows exactly the price of the commodity. Because of this, your made-up definition won't work middleman simply cannot go any lower price.

In our mandis, Arthiyas receive food grain from farmers, clean it using their own workers/labors, cheque the moisture according to the advisable limits and hence help farmer to make it sallable. After govt agency inspector's made purchase of farmer's produce, then weigh the produce, fill the produce in govt sanctioned bardana/bags according to the required weight, then help in lifting and dispatching the produce to govt. warehouses or to any private warehouse as advised by govt functionaries. Finally create different invoice (called I form) for every individual farmers produce and submit the same to govt agencies along with J-Form (Details of farmer and his account no etc). Receive the payment and transfer it to farmer in whole according to MSP. And for all these services provided by arthiya, he receive certain percentage of commission (2 1/2% or 3%, I don't no exactly). Other than this, arthiyas work as local ATMs for farmers and provide short term and medium term loans at shot notice for farmers different requirements i.e. for seeds, fertilizers, family requirements or medical requirements. This Mandi System working very well in Punjab & Haryana, so every farmer is against removing this system.
You are describing how inefficient this process is.

A seller sells a commodity and a buyer buys it at a market price. Its as simple as that.

Are you assuming farmers cant organize themselves or clean, segregate, transport, store, and "form filling"?

There are multiple ways how the "go-to-market" dealt with. It can be co-operative societies that can self-organize. The Diary sector already has shown how its done !. No need to look elsewhere.

Don't make it a 2-3% affair. A farmer only gets after a cut of 10-20% by middleman including state "service" taxes according to the state you are in.

Mandi system works very well for the people who are relied on it. Ask a drug dealer he would agree.

You are yet to explain how giving money directly to farmer is a bad idea. Let me guess, arthiyas are also local loan sharks. Its an attack on the security of EMI's!
 
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Yes in a business transaction its the same, a commodity.


Don't make up your own definition of a middleman. A drug or gold smuggler takes a cut according to the size of the transaction which is exactly what arthiyas doing.

As there is MSP everyone in the transaction knows exactly the price of the commodity. Because of this, your made-up definition won't work middleman simply cannot go any lower price.


You are describing how inefficient this process is.

A seller sells a commodity and a buyer buys it at a market price. Its as simple as that.

Are you assuming farmers cant organize themselves or clean, segregate, transport, store, and "form filling"?

There are multiple ways how the "go-to-market" dealt with. It can be co-operative societies that can self-organize. The Diary sector already has shown how its done !. No need to look elsewhere.

Don't make it a 2-3% affair. A farmer only gets after a cut of 10-20% by middleman including state "service" taxes according to the state you are in.

Mandi system works very well for the people who are relied on it. Ask a drug dealer he would agree.

You are yet to explain how giving money directly to farmer is a bad idea. Let me guess, arthiyas are also local loan sharks. Its an attack on the security of EMI's!
You said you are serious and open to accept truth!

1-2 acre waale kissan kahan se layenge machinery, how they sustain prohibitive labor costs exclusively for themselves? How an uneducated or semi educated kissan generate invoices and required documentation? How micro kissans arrange packaging, lifiting, transportation and storage facilities for even few days? How individual farmers save themselves from exploitation from govt officials?

These heavy jagrans like GTM works in corporate setups, an uneducated farmers know nothing about GTM.

If you want to know about cooperative Mandi System, then visit any nearby mandi in Punjab and Haryana. Its not UP, Bihar or rest of India. If any artiya try to do any chori aur mismanagement, then farmer unions are so strong that they force state govt to cancel its license of commission agent.

Thats why I am telling you to visit any cooperative Mandi in Punjab & Haryana, research about it and the reality. You can see the efficiency of this system by yourself. Let alone cut of 20% or 30%, if an arthiya charge 1% to farmer then his business is over. Also, pre fixed commission to arthoyas is paid by govt not farmers. That's why we call them commission agents not middleman. But in new system govt trying to force middleman over us thats why ferocious push back by farmers!

You have misconception about arthiyas in our Mandi System. So I suggest to visit any nearby Punjab & Haryana mandi!
 
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You said you are serious and open to accept truth!

1-2 acre waale kissan kahan se layenge machinery, how they sustain prohibitive labor costs exclusively for themselves? How an uneducated or semi educated kissan generate invoices and required documentation? How micro kissans arrange packaging, lifiting, transportation and storage facilities for even few days? How individual farmers save themselves from exploitation from govt officials?

These heavy jagrans like GTM works in corporate setups, an uneducated farmers know nothing about GTM.

If you want to know about cooperative Mandi System, then visit any nearby mandi in Punjab and Haryana. Its not UP, Bihar or rest of India. If any artiya try to do any chori aur mismanagement, then farmer unions are so strong that they force state govt to cancel its license of commission agent.

Thats why I am telling you to visit any cooperative Mandi in Punjab & Haryana, research about it and the reality. You can see the efficiency of this system by yourself. Let alone cut of 20% or 30%, if an arthiya charge 1% to farmer then his business is over. Also, pre fixed commission to arthoyas is paid by govt not farmers. That's why we call them commission agents not middleman. But in new system govt trying to force middleman over us thats why ferocious push back by farmers!

You have misconception about arthiyas in our Mandi System. So I suggest to visit any nearby Punjab & Haryana mandi!
It’s not how Mandis work in my state. It’s commendable if they maintain such a level of efficiency in Punjab.
On a flip side if that’s indeed true, I don’t know why you people are worried so much. Considering the hate campaign launched by Union leaders and the resulting violence and destruction of their properties , I’m not sure Ambani or Adani will be too keen to enter into Punjab anytime soon. And even if they ever try in the future, your all powerful Kisan Unions have to boycott them in altogether. Alternatively State government can impose indirect taxes and hurdles for these evil gujju baniyas. There may be a slim risk of hostile price to make Mandis nonprofitable. But again Unions can drag them in court of state government can intervene for corrective measures.
So there is really nothing to worry about.
 
You said you are serious and open to accept truth!

1-2 acre waale kissan kahan se layenge machinery, how they sustain prohibitive labor costs exclusively for themselves? How an uneducated or semi educated kissan generate invoices and required documentation? How micro kissans arrange packaging, lifiting, transportation and storage facilities for even few days? How individual farmers save themselves from exploitation from govt officials?

These heavy jagrans like GTM works in corporate setups, an uneducated farmers know nothing about GTM.

If you want to know about cooperative Mandi System, then visit any nearby mandi in Punjab and Haryana. Its not UP, Bihar or rest of India. If any artiya try to do any chori aur mismanagement, then farmer unions are so strong that they force state govt to cancel its license of commission agent.

Thats why I am telling you to visit any cooperative Mandi in Punjab & Haryana, research about it and the reality. You can see the efficiency of this system by yourself. Let alone cut of 20% or 30%, if an arthiya charge 1% to farmer then his business is over. Also, pre fixed commission to arthoyas is paid by govt not farmers. That's why we call them commission agents not middleman. But in new system govt trying to force middleman over us thats why ferocious push back by farmers!

You have misconception about arthiyas in our Mandi System. So I suggest to visit any nearby Punjab & Haryana mandi!

If even educated people in Punjab are thinking this way then Punjab has no future, which is not a surprise.

Anyway...

Pretty soon govt mandis will only be for dumbasses, the future will be in private mandis. Now it's up to the farmer to be a dumbass or not. Natural selection is true for anything. Once the farm laws are fully implemented, it's been estimated that more than 90% of the farmers will no longer choose govt run mandis.

Once the private sector enters the market, they will even buy rotten crops at near market prices and provide insurance during drought season. Plus they will stand in a line offering cheap credit to farmers, while also providing technical assitance during times of trouble. Even renting and leasing options will be provided for farm vehicles. Hell, they will likely even make it cheaper for farmers to plow, sow, maintain and harvest crops, to the point where all vehicles, materials and labour will be offered straight to the farmer at extremely low costs, with the farmer not having to supervise or do any physical labour of his own, plus buy the crops and transport it after. Which idiot doesn't want all this?

Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention one other point. You can still be choose to be at the opposite end of natural selection by selling to the APMC at MSP through "commission agents". The new farm laws do not abolish APMC or the MSP system, it's only designed to bring in the private sector, giving farmers an alternative, for those who wish to be at the correct end of natural selection.

“I want to assure farmers that the minimum support price (MSP) and APMC (Agricultural Produce & Livestock Market Committee) will continue. These will never be removed at any cost,” Union Minister Rajnath Singh said.

 
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If even educated people in Punjab are thinking this way then Punjab has no future, which is not a surprise.

Anyway...

Pretty soon govt mandis will only be for dumbasses, the future will be in private mandis. Now it's up to the farmer to be a dumbass or not. Natural selection is true for anything. Once the farm laws are fully implemented, it's been estimated that more than 90% of the farmers will no longer choose govt run mandis.

Once the private sector enters the market, they will even buy rotten crops at near market prices and provide insurance during drought season. Plus they will stand in a line offering cheap credit to farmers, while also providing technical assitance during times of trouble. Even renting and leasing options will be provided for farm vehicles. Hell, they will likely even make it cheaper for farmers to plow, sow, maintain and harvest crops, to the point where all vehicles, materials and labour will be offered straight to the farmer at extremely low costs, with the farmer not having to supervise or do any physical labour of his own, plus buy the crops and transport it after. Which idiot doesn't want all this?

Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention one other point. You can still be choose to be at the opposite end of natural selection by selling to the APMC at MSP through "commission agents". The new farm laws do not abolish APMC or the MSP system, it's only designed to bring in the private sector, giving farmers an alternative, for those who wish to be at the correct end of natural selection.

“I want to assure farmers that the minimum support price (MSP) and APMC (Agricultural Produce & Livestock Market Committee) will continue. These will never be removed at any cost,” Union Minister Rajnath Singh said.

Radio Ji, uss cheese ke bare main gyan mat pelo, jis ke bare main aapko koi gyan nahi hai!!! We people on ground knows, what is best for us! The most astonishing phenomenon I observed, how highly educated middle class people doing propaganda and how shamelessly pitching & promoting interests of super rich. These people have zero sympathy & compassion for extremely poor, down ridden farmers who are committing suicides in thousands annually due to their extremely poor economic conditions.

Aur yeh RSS propaganda tool 'Swarajyamag' ka gyan toh bilkul hi mat pelo! Anyway plz go through following discussion vedio and see the results of these laws in a country from where you copy pasted the same, sayad aapke gyan chaksho khul saken...


Aur rahi baat govt. Mandion ke saath dumbass hone ki, we are happy as dumbasses and on the incorrect end of natural selection. But we will not let go these sarkari mandi system period. And for your information, 94% of the food grains already sold to private players and only 6% are being purchased at MSP and mostly from Punjab & Haryana! Aur bata doon, Bihar already abolished APMC Mandis back in 2006 and everything now sold in private mandis. So just go and check the condition of Bihari farmers. Also check at which prices Bihari farmers selling their produce. When currently only 6% food grain is purchased at MSP, then from where the question of continuity of MSP arises? One major demand of these protests is to start purchasing at MSP, where its not happening.
 
That’s why I said States govts should take charge of This whole system. It’ll be better for everyone to modify according to needs of individual states. If Punjab don’t want to allow private players, just block them at state level.
Exactly, Agriculture is state subject. Let state govt decides if they want to implement the bill or not. But Punjab governor is not sending the Amendments done by Capt to president, thats why protest.
 
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Exactly, Agriculture is state subject. Let state govt decides if they want to implement the bill or not. But Punjab governor is not sending the Amendments done by Capt to president, thats why protest.
That I think is a genuine concern and Punjab Govt should voice their grievances to the parliament. We are a federal state and states should have power to decide things like agriculture and trade etc.
 
Radio Ji, uss cheese ke bare main gyan mat pelo, jis ke bare main aapko koi gyan nahi hai!!! We people on ground knows, what is best for us!

No, you don't.

The most astonishing phenomenon I observed, how highly educated middle class people doing propaganda and how shamelessly pitching & promoting interests of super rich. These people have zero sympathy & compassion for extremely poor, down ridden farmers who are committing suicides in thousands annually due to their extremely poor economic conditions.

Although I am a "highly educated middle class" living in a city, I still am from a farming family. I know what's happening.

Aur yeh RSS propaganda tool 'Swarajyamag' ka gyan toh bilkul hi mat pelo! Anyway plz go through following discussion vedio and see the results of these laws in a country from where you copy pasted the same, sayad aapke gyan chaksho khul saken...


Aur rahi baat govt. Mandion ke saath dumbass hone ki, we are happy as dumbasses and on the incorrect end of natural selection. But we will not let go these sarkari mandi system period. And for your information, 94% of the food grains already sold to private players and only 6% are being purchased at MSP and mostly from Punjab & Haryana! Aur bata doon, Bihar already abolished APMC Mandis back in 2006 and everything now sold in private mandis. So just go and check the condition of Bihari farmers. Also check at which prices Bihari farmers selling their produce. When currently only 6% food grain is purchased at MSP, then from where the question of continuity of MSP arises? One major demand of these protests is to start purchasing at MSP, where its not happening.

The MSP system is simply a conduit for corruption. More money is lost through MSP than anything else. It's no wonder why agriculture grows only at 3% and needs to leech off of the service industry to survive. Without money from the service industry, agriculture would have shut down long ago had it not been for the basic requirement to eat.

The fact is you farmers in Punjab and Haryana are not smart. You have all the funds and infrastructure in the world but still choose to live like sub-Saharan Africans. Stop growing wheat and rice, stop leeching off of the govt through MSP, stop feeding your "commission agents" like its your birthright. Grow cash crops that the world needs and frigging export it. Hell, you guys don't even eat rice, but you wanna grow like parasites depending on it. If my family and the people of my state had even 1% of the opportunities that farmers in Punjab have had for decades, we would have become major food exporters a long time ago. But no, you'd rather sell low cost products to the govt at prices nobody can afford, and then let it all go to waste. All your wheat and rice either feed insects and worms or go into the ocean, don't you know that?

First, you should know that the govt is not a consumer. Second, you should know that the govt buys food for the PDS because people in India are poor. Once poverty is eradicated, how much food do you think the govt will buy? You think they are retarded enough to feed you forever, especially when your state doesn't even vote for the party in power? Third, you should learn that market determines prices. If you want to remain a farmer, you have to change with the times or else you will be left behind.

These are the facts:
Wheat is being imported at a lower price than the domestic market. For instance, Ukraine wheat for delivery at Tuticorin is costing Rs 1,670 per quintal and Australian wheat at Rs 1,740 per quintal. Whereas the grain is being sold in Delhi as high as Rs 2,124 per quintal.

The frigging MSP for wheat in Punjab this year is Rs 1925/quintal. Do you see how retarded Punjab's farming capabilities are when rich countries, even with massive transportation costs, can sell wheat in India at a lower price? American and Australian landowners pay their farm labour salaries above Rs 2L per month and can still manage lower prices. So who the hell wants Punjabi wheat?

Salary for Industry in Australia: Wheat Farming​

AU$45,800

That's Rs 26L per year for a farm labourer in Australia.

Look at the extent govt has to increase duties just to protect our incompetent farmers.

The government first imposed 10% import duty on wheat in March 2017. In November the same year, it doubled it to 20%, and then raised it to 30% in May 2018 in order to restrict imports.


Import duties have to increase to 40% just to compete with foreign wheat, and you are telling me you know the ground situation better? Are you kidding me?

Do you know what will happen if people in cities get fed up of subsidising farmers and start growing their own crops? With vertical farming, greenhouses and modern technologies, the yield per acre can become dozens to hundreds of times more. And setting up such industries is extremely cheap. Far more cheaper than importing wheat.

You make fun of the city-dwelling middle classes, but they have done more for farmers than even your own father has done for you. We feed you, subsidise all your expenses, give you cheap credit, waive off all your loans and then buy your crops at exhorbitant prices, only for us to throw it away for cheaper imports. Do you really think even 1 rupee you have earned from farming is your own? Not at all. It's entirely the result of the blood and sweat of the urban middle classes that there is even an agriculture industry. You can call yourself a farmer simply because someone else is sacrificing his hard work for you to be one. The only thing that the middle class has not done for farmers is wash their *censored*, but the current protesters are now demanding even that.

APMC and MSP have no place for the future of farming in India. Clinging to it is simply forcing yourself to a deadend and it's unlikely the middle class 10 years down the line, which will have grown to greater numbers than the farming community by then thereby forming a more important votebank, will allow further subsidising of agriculture. You will simply get abandoned if you do not keep up.
 
No, you don't.



Although I am a "highly educated middle class" living in a city, I still am from a farming family. I know what's happening.



The MSP system is simply a conduit for corruption. More money is lost through MSP than anything else. It's no wonder why agriculture grows only at 3% and needs to leech off of the service industry to survive. Without money from the service industry, agriculture would have shut down long ago had it not been for the basic requirement to eat.

The fact is you farmers in Punjab and Haryana are not smart. You have all the funds and infrastructure in the world but still choose to live like sub-Saharan Africans. Stop growing wheat and rice, stop leeching off of the govt through MSP, stop feeding your "commission agents" like its your birthright. Grow cash crops that the world needs and frigging export it. Hell, you guys don't even eat rice, but you wanna grow like parasites depending on it. If my family and the people of my state had even 1% of the opportunities that farmers in Punjab have had for decades, we would have become major food exporters a long time ago. But no, you'd rather sell low cost products to the govt at prices nobody can afford, and then let it all go to waste. All your wheat and rice either feed insects and worms or go into the ocean, don't you know that?

First, you should know that the govt is not a consumer. Second, you should know that the govt buys food for the PDS because people in India are poor. Once poverty is eradicated, how much food do you think the govt will buy? You think they are retarded enough to feed you forever, especially when your state doesn't even vote for the party in power? Third, you should learn that market determines prices. If you want to remain a farmer, you have to change with the times or else you will be left behind.

These are the facts:
Wheat is being imported at a lower price than the domestic market. For instance, Ukraine wheat for delivery at Tuticorin is costing Rs 1,670 per quintal and Australian wheat at Rs 1,740 per quintal. Whereas the grain is being sold in Delhi as high as Rs 2,124 per quintal.

The frigging MSP for wheat in Punjab this year is Rs 1925/quintal. Do you see how retarded Punjab's farming capabilities are when rich countries, even with massive transportation costs, can sell wheat in India at a lower price? American and Australian landowners pay their farm labour salaries above Rs 2L per month and can still manage lower prices. So who the hell wants Punjabi wheat?

Salary for Industry in Australia: Wheat Farming​

AU$45,800

That's Rs 26L per year for a farm labourer in Australia.

Look at the extent govt has to increase duties just to protect our incompetent farmers.

The government first imposed 10% import duty on wheat in March 2017. In November the same year, it doubled it to 20%, and then raised it to 30% in May 2018 in order to restrict imports.


Import duties have to increase to 40% just to compete with foreign wheat, and you are telling me you know the ground situation better? Are you kidding me?

Do you know what will happen if people in cities get fed up of subsidising farmers and start growing their own crops? With vertical farming, greenhouses and modern technologies, the yield per acre can become dozens to hundreds of times more. And setting up such industries is extremely cheap. Far more cheaper than importing wheat.

You make fun of the city-dwelling middle classes, but they have done more for farmers than even your own father has done for you. We feed you, subsidise all your expenses, give you cheap credit, waive off all your loans and then buy your crops at exhorbitant prices, only for us to throw it away for cheaper imports. Do you really think even 1 rupee you have earned from farming is your own? Not at all. It's entirely the result of the blood and sweat of the urban middle classes that there is even an agriculture industry. You can call yourself a farmer simply because someone else is sacrificing his hard work for you to be one. The only thing that the middle class has not done for farmers is wash their *censored*, but the current protesters are now demanding even that.

APMC and MSP have no place for the future of farming in India. Clinging to it is simply forcing yourself to a deadend and it's unlikely the middle class 10 years down the line, which will have grown to greater numbers than the farming community by then thereby forming a more important votebank, will allow further subsidising of agriculture. You will simply get abandoned if you do not keep up.
I don’t think he even understands it. He’s kinda broken tape repeating the same abuses mixed with some YouTube videos and Modi coward selling to China videos.

BTW watch it to understand politics behind Kishan trade unions

 
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I don’t think he even understands it. He’s kinda broken tape repeating the same abuses mixed with some YouTube videos and Modi coward selling to China videos.

BTW watch it to understand politics behind Kishan trade unions


Punjab and Kerala, two states that could have become developed states on their own have given up their future to fools of the highest order. One pretend to know farming but can't even compete with rich countries, the other threw their lot in with communists and now live like second and third class citizens in other states and countries.

And now, with the protests, the Punjabis and Haryanvis want to drag the whole of India down to their level. And have also unwittingly become agents of anti-national forces.
 
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It seems like the Khalistani's, the anti-CAA muzzie gang, the Urban Naxals & Bhima Koregaon criminals, Leftists, the Tukde-tukde gang, toolkit activists, infiltrated the Farmers agitation, they have sent a representative to our forum too to parrot mis-information campaign.

We have witnessed these alien apologists visit planet SF time and again - from China when Doklam happened, from paxtan when Balakot, Galwan, anti-CAA and now from Kaneddaa and IngLaandd for anti-Farm Bill protest.

Like the brain-washed madarssa chaap guys, venom of division and hatred is spewed, but claims to the contrary.

This is an age-old game of "ASURI" pravirti which thrives on gain of power and control for self gain by lies and deceit, and creating misery, chaos and incessant torment of the masses, thus creating shortcut means of appropriating others assets and wealth (these kind are TAKERS and their mantra is "FAKE it till you MAKE it")

VS.

The "DAIVIK" pravirti which is bound by responsibility and accountability towards others and the environment at all planes and all levels. This is a path of persistence, service to others and is of slow moving progress for all (these kind are GIVERS)

Both operate in the same landscape and the expansive network
 
you still haven't come up with any logical explanation for your charge that IG was responsible for the creation of Bhindranwale
lol, ask bjp man they will tell you https://www.business-standard.com/a...ira-gandhi-s-creation-bjp-113102500002_1.html

Now you want to blame the british for the mismanagement of current govt. why not blame the mughals for all our problems and be done with?

How can you onboard "Hired protesters" and "Rebels without cause" activists who jumps ship and start opposing the laws they themselves demanded since decades? Like CAA/NRC, abrogation of art 35A &370, Adhaar and GST, this too is an old ambitious reform of all political parties. How can you oppose climate activists condoning stubble burning and crops that affect water table? How can you oppose direct MSP trasfer to accounts of farmers without middlemen taking majority of income?

Fact is these clowns are snatching microphone from their own on asking questions and enticing others to use tractors as tanks after conveniently condemning 26 Jan violence. What's more funny is they blamed it on BJP but who is providing physical and legal cover to violators is for everyone to see.

This is why anti India forces always fail, they have no integrity and honesty.

The current govt dint follow any proper process and followed my way or highway approach. Now all the highways are occupied by the protesters.

There are procedures in democratic to pass laws which which need to follow all the due process like debate in the parliament and giving space/listening to other sides point of view as well.

The govt instead started with an ordinance and then tried to rush the law thru the parliament with zero debate. Which obviously made the opposition take to the street. Why do you want to blame them if you break all the established procedures of parliamentary democracy. If BJP couldnt convince their own ally how can they even convince opposition ?

Now the implementation of law is pushed off for another year or more. Instead of allowing all this to happen the current govt could have allowed the debate on the law in parliament for 2 months which would have atleast given them some moral right to brag about. Now they have screwed up every thing.
 
So it’s alright to target only one state just because the politicians that you don’t like come from that state?
ppl have right to their opinions/views, you can ban ppl if some one is using derogatory/unparliamentary language.
If you think he is wrong then you should make your counter point, nothing prevents you from doing so.