Airborne Early Warning Systems - A-50EI Phalcon, DRDO Netra AEW&C, DRDO AWACS
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History of Indian AWACS. Has only the introduction part, you can buy the whole thing if you want.
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/monograph-pdf/AWACS.pdf
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/monograph-pdf/AWACS.pdf
India will add 2 more aircraft to strengthen AWACS capabilities
Armed with deep penetration and long-range radars, AWACS control the battle theatre in times of hostilities by providing advance information about movement of air assets of the adversary.
INDIA Updated: May 01, 2019 09:32 IST
Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
The deal is worth around $ 2 billion, with the radar mounted on Russian platform.
A day before the February 26 air strike by India on a Jaish-e-Mohammed training facility in Balakot in Pakistan, the country’s defence ministry moved the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for acquisition of two more PHALCON airborne warning and control systems (AWACS) aircraft from Israel to match Pakistan’s growing capabilities, according to people familiar with the matter.
The deal is worth around $ 2 billion, with the radar mounted on Russian platform.
With the air strike, and the dogfight between Indian and Pakistani jets the day after, highlighting the importance of aerial supremacy, the Indian Air Force plans to approach the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) after the new government takes over in late May, for the purchase of 21 upgraded MiG-29 air defence fighters from Russia to arrest the growing shortfall in fighter squadrons. This deal is expected to be worth around ₹4,500 crore. Russia has completely switched to Su-30 platforms and MiG 29 fighters have been lying mothballed with MiG-MAPO corporation.
Four people directly involved in the process said that the need for PHALCON AWACS was felt as Pakistan has seven of them in service as compared to five in service with IAF. After the Balakot strike, the requirement was felt more acutely with Islamabad deploying two AWACS round-the-clock in the north and the south, while India had AWACS up for only 12 hours a day along its northern and western borders. Both sides put AWACS to good use during the February 27 air skirmish in the Nowshera sector of Jammu.
Armed with deep penetration and long-range radars, AWACS control the battle theatre in times of hostilities by providing advance information about movement of air assets of the adversary as well as directing air defence to prevent any breach of home air space.
According to the people cited above, Pakistan has three SAAB-2000 and four Shaanxi Y-8 turbo-prop airborne early warning systems; it reportedly lost two SAAB aircraft in a terrorist attack on PNS Mehran in Karachi on May 22-23, 2011. The SAAB radars provide a 270-degree coverage of the enemy positions but the platform has height restrictions due to turbo-prop engines.
In comparison, IAF has three Israeli built PHALCON AWACS and two more DRDO built early warning systems mounted on an Embraer jet platform. The Israeli aircraft is fitted with the top-of-the-line Green Pine radar system that can look into enemy territory up to a range of 300 to 500km . It is this aircraft that successfully directed the air operations against a package of 24 Pakistan Air Force fighters on February 27 in Nowshera, the people added.
First Published: May 01, 2019 07:42 IST
India will add 2 more aircraft to strengthen AWACS capabilities
Armed with deep penetration and long-range radars, AWACS control the battle theatre in times of hostilities by providing advance information about movement of air assets of the adversary.
INDIA Updated: May 01, 2019 09:32 IST
Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
The deal is worth around $ 2 billion, with the radar mounted on Russian platform.
A day before the February 26 air strike by India on a Jaish-e-Mohammed training facility in Balakot in Pakistan, the country’s defence ministry moved the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for acquisition of two more PHALCON airborne warning and control systems (AWACS) aircraft from Israel to match Pakistan’s growing capabilities, according to people familiar with the matter.
The deal is worth around $ 2 billion, with the radar mounted on Russian platform.
With the air strike, and the dogfight between Indian and Pakistani jets the day after, highlighting the importance of aerial supremacy, the Indian Air Force plans to approach the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) after the new government takes over in late May, for the purchase of 21 upgraded MiG-29 air defence fighters from Russia to arrest the growing shortfall in fighter squadrons. This deal is expected to be worth around ₹4,500 crore. Russia has completely switched to Su-30 platforms and MiG 29 fighters have been lying mothballed with MiG-MAPO corporation.
Four people directly involved in the process said that the need for PHALCON AWACS was felt as Pakistan has seven of them in service as compared to five in service with IAF. After the Balakot strike, the requirement was felt more acutely with Islamabad deploying two AWACS round-the-clock in the north and the south, while India had AWACS up for only 12 hours a day along its northern and western borders. Both sides put AWACS to good use during the February 27 air skirmish in the Nowshera sector of Jammu.
Armed with deep penetration and long-range radars, AWACS control the battle theatre in times of hostilities by providing advance information about movement of air assets of the adversary as well as directing air defence to prevent any breach of home air space.
According to the people cited above, Pakistan has three SAAB-2000 and four Shaanxi Y-8 turbo-prop airborne early warning systems; it reportedly lost two SAAB aircraft in a terrorist attack on PNS Mehran in Karachi on May 22-23, 2011. The SAAB radars provide a 270-degree coverage of the enemy positions but the platform has height restrictions due to turbo-prop engines.
In comparison, IAF has three Israeli built PHALCON AWACS and two more DRDO built early warning systems mounted on an Embraer jet platform. The Israeli aircraft is fitted with the top-of-the-line Green Pine radar system that can look into enemy territory up to a range of 300 to 500km . It is this aircraft that successfully directed the air operations against a package of 24 Pakistan Air Force fighters on February 27 in Nowshera, the people added.
First Published: May 01, 2019 07:42 IST
India will add 2 more aircraft to strengthen AWACS capabilities
Have we really ordered additional 2 phalcons?
I read few days back, Iaf took over the 3 Rd netra, DrDo was using for research purposes.
The deal has not been signed as of yet.
Although all the necessary clearances are there now.
2 AWACS, air-to-air missiles on agenda for Netanyahu visit
Top diplomats based in New Delhi and Tel Aviv said on condition of anonymity that an advanced security liaison team from Israel will land in Delhi on September 2 to prepare ground for the prime ministerial visit.
Updated: Aug 27, 2019 07:39 IST
Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
While India has five AWACS platforms, Pakistan already has seven such with another three on order from China. (Reuters Photo)
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to visit India for a day two weeks from now. On the agenda are the acquisition of two more Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) and extended range air to air Derby missiles by the Indian Air Force and joint projects in agriculture, water and waste management.
Top diplomats based in New Delhi and Tel Aviv said on condition of anonymity that an advanced security liaison team from Israel will land in Delhi on September 2 to prepare ground for the prime ministerial visit. While the exact date has not been decided, Netanyahu is expected to meet his friend Prime Minister Narendra Modi either on September 7 or 8.
Arriving in India a week before the September 17 general elections in Israel, Netanyahu is expected to endorse Modi government’s scrapping of articles 370 and 35 A in Kashmir as an internal matter and support the bilateral resolution of issues between India and Pakistan, the diplomats said.
Although the two allies typically play down the defence content of the across-the-spectrum relationship, India plans to order two PHALCON AWACS mounted on Russian A-50 platform (worth $ 2 billion) for better control of the war theatre .
The order is awaiting a green signal from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).
While India has five AWACS platforms, Pakistan already has seven such with another three on order from China. Islamabad already has three SAAB Erieye and four ZDK-03 from China, which were deployed 24X7 after the Balakot air strike by the Indian Air Force on a terrorist facility in Pakistan. Given this differential, IAF deployed AWACS for only 12 hours a day.
The IAF is also looking towards the acquisition of extended range Derby air to air missiles from Israel after Pakistan used 70 km AIM-120 C 100 kilometre beyond visual range missiles against Indian jets in its February 27 retaliation to the Balakot strike.
IAF wants to integrate the 70 kilometre range Derby missiles on the Su-30 MKI platform with upgraded radar equipped with data link to take the fight to Pakistani F-16s in future.
India and Israel are jointly developing the short, medium and long range surface to air missiles in collaboration with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
PM Modi meets Trump, says 'all issues between India-Pakistan are bilateral'
Prime Minister Modi met US President Donald Trump on the sidelines of the G7 summit in Biarritz, France. PM Modi said that India and Pakistan will resolve all bilateral issues on their own, while Trump said that PM Modi has the Kashmir situation.
Apart from the defence agenda, PM Modi is looking towards his Israeli counterpart to provide high-end technologies to provide potable water to each home as well as manage waste. Israel has mastered the technology to convert sea water into potable water with desalination projects in Ashkelon and Hadera through reverse osmosis.
Both countries are already collaborating the fields of start-ups as well as agricultural technologies focused on irrigation and productivity.
2 AWACS, air-to-air missiles on agenda for Netanyahu visit
Top diplomats based in New Delhi and Tel Aviv said on condition of anonymity that an advanced security liaison team from Israel will land in Delhi on September 2 to prepare ground for the prime ministerial visit.
Updated: Aug 27, 2019 07:39 IST
Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to visit India for a day two weeks from now. On the agenda are the acquisition of two more Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS) and extended range air to air Derby missiles by the Indian Air Force and joint projects in agriculture, water and waste management.
Top diplomats based in New Delhi and Tel Aviv said on condition of anonymity that an advanced security liaison team from Israel will land in Delhi on September 2 to prepare ground for the prime ministerial visit. While the exact date has not been decided, Netanyahu is expected to meet his friend Prime Minister Narendra Modi either on September 7 or 8.
Arriving in India a week before the September 17 general elections in Israel, Netanyahu is expected to endorse Modi government’s scrapping of articles 370 and 35 A in Kashmir as an internal matter and support the bilateral resolution of issues between India and Pakistan, the diplomats said.
Although the two allies typically play down the defence content of the across-the-spectrum relationship, India plans to order two PHALCON AWACS mounted on Russian A-50 platform (worth $ 2 billion) for better control of the war theatre .
The order is awaiting a green signal from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).
While India has five AWACS platforms, Pakistan already has seven such with another three on order from China. Islamabad already has three SAAB Erieye and four ZDK-03 from China, which were deployed 24X7 after the Balakot air strike by the Indian Air Force on a terrorist facility in Pakistan. Given this differential, IAF deployed AWACS for only 12 hours a day.
The IAF is also looking towards the acquisition of extended range Derby air to air missiles from Israel after Pakistan used 70 km AIM-120 C 100 kilometre beyond visual range missiles against Indian jets in its February 27 retaliation to the Balakot strike.
IAF wants to integrate the 70 kilometre range Derby missiles on the Su-30 MKI platform with upgraded radar equipped with data link to take the fight to Pakistani F-16s in future.
India and Israel are jointly developing the short, medium and long range surface to air missiles in collaboration with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
PM Modi meets Trump, says 'all issues between India-Pakistan are bilateral'
Prime Minister Modi met US President Donald Trump on the sidelines of the G7 summit in Biarritz, France. PM Modi said that India and Pakistan will resolve all bilateral issues on their own, while Trump said that PM Modi has the Kashmir situation.
Apart from the defence agenda, PM Modi is looking towards his Israeli counterpart to provide high-end technologies to provide potable water to each home as well as manage waste. Israel has mastered the technology to convert sea water into potable water with desalination projects in Ashkelon and Hadera through reverse osmosis.
Both countries are already collaborating the fields of start-ups as well as agricultural technologies focused on irrigation and productivity.
2 AWACS, air-to-air missiles on agenda for Netanyahu visit
Yes. It is a single vendor situation. This along with budgetary constraints and other priorities has delayed the project so far.
I don't know. They were supposed to be signed when Netanyahu visited India. But the visit was delayed I think. So maybe they are waiting for that to officially announce it.
So, in effect what you're saying is that these 2 indigenous AWACS are different from the Phalcons. Doesn't seem that way though. If I'm not mistaken, the indigenous program was for anywhere between 6-10 AWACS & 18-20 NETRA type AEWs. @randomradio ; @Milspec
The Phalcon radars are to be mounted on the Il-78 as we use it now. We are just buying more of it. Where as the DRDO AWACS will use and Indian radar mounted on the Airbus A330.
The two we are buying now are for prototype testing. Once its completed we will place a larger order of the A330.
The future of Netra looks pretty grim. Wasn't Embraer caught up in a corruption case and blacklisted ? The only hope for more Netra is lifting the blacklisting or making a newer AEW&C using the Airbus C295 platform.
I'm aware that the Phalcons use Il-78. I wrote what I did is coz there's no news of the Phalcons post approval by DAC or CCS on further orders & suddenly we've had this development of the DRDO - A-330 combination. Seems to me as if they've permanently dropped the Phalcons for these 2 prototypes.
Regarding the NETRA, I don't see the blacklisting of EMBRAER as a great impediment. Rather, the IAF was more keen on Phalcon type AWACS & as usual weren't too confident on DRDO's ability to deliver that they grudgingly decided to accept 3 AEW's from them, after a great deal of persuasion. Sort of like the via media MP worked out with the LCA - Mk1a before the definitive Mk2 / MWF materialized. Also this was part of the learning curve on DRDO's part.
There wasn't any follow up plan post delivery of the 3 by the IAF. Incidentally, the 3rd NETRA has been retained by the DRDO for further testing. For all you know, post the 26th & 27 th Feb developments, the IAF may just about revisit their stance on the NETRAs & ask for the next iteration. Fingers crossed.
The plan to acquire Airbus A330 for this project was approved in 2015. Its been almost 5 years and you think its sudden.
I'll be the first one to sing good riddance. But I am quite sure we won't be able to compete the DRDO AWACS prototyping and testing in a year. As such the additional Phalcon will be needed to plug the hole for now.
Interesting POV. Do you think the AF would be interested in the NETRA based on the C295 ? I thought only the Navy/Coast Guards might be interested.
Should be explored from my PoV. Wouldn't it be wonderful then. 2 sets of aircrafts for AEW & 2 sets of aircrafts for AWACS. Brazilians, French, Russians, etc.
