Akash Series Surface to Air Missile System

Ashwin said:
This is a export ready product, eventually actual range will come out. There is no reason to downplay this perticular SAM.
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Maybe we want to export a downgraded version(with single pulse) while keeping the crown jewel(dual pulse version) with us for domestic use!

That's why we are not displaying full radar/missile range in the current brochures. Also maybe we don't want to p** off the Israelis?

I think you're correct in one way that with time, we shall have full idea about Akash-NG's true range. Maybe until then, I need to hold the jingo inside me down and under control, lol:ROFLMAO:
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Maybe we want to export a downgraded version(with single pulse) while keeping the crown jewel(dual pulse version) with us for domestic use!

That's why we are not displaying full radar/missile range in the current brochures. Also maybe we don't want to p** off the Israelis?

I think you're correct in one way that with time, we shall have full idea about Akash-NG's true range. Maybe until then, I need to hold the jingo inside me down and under control, lol:ROFLMAO:
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Frankly the entire notion of deterrence from the Indian PoV appears to be massively skewed if not screwed or perverted. Western media sources & TTs credited Pakistan in the recent past for having a bigger N arsenal than us. Ideally that should've been music to our ears as that would make them more vulnerable to renewed pressure. Ironically nothing of the sort happened.

Equally ironically we've now come to know that development on Pralay, Shaurya etc was stalled as India didn't want to accidentally trigger off a N exchange with Pakistan by developing & deploying TBMs which were N capable so as not to set off an accidental N launch by them in case we fired a non N TBM.

All this when every Pakistani worth his salt from the local patwari upwards was shouting out loud from the rooftops in the pre Balakot era of how they'd deploy Nasr CMs to deter India's Cold Start doctrine..

Then you've the Agni missile test launches where the numbers were deliberately downplayed with China calling it out in international fora & media.

Now you've the curious case of Akash NGs. There's something deeply flawed with the thought process of our security managers.
 
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Frankly the entire notion of deterrence from the Indian PoV appears to be massively skewed if not screwed or perverted. Western media sources & TTs credited Pakistan in the recent past for having a bigger N arsenal than us. Ideally that should've been music to our ears as that would make them more vulnerable to renewed pressure. Ironically nothing of the sort happened.

Equally ironically we've now come to know that development on Pralay, Shaurya etc was stalled as India didn't want to accidentally trigger off a N exchange with Pakistan by developing & deploying TBMs which were N capable so as not to set off an accidental N launch by them in case we fired a non N TBM.

All this when every Pakistani worth his salt from the local patwari upwards was shouting out loud from the rooftops in the pre Balakot era of how they'd deploy Nasr CMs to deter India's Cold Start doctrine..

Then you've the Agni missile test launches where the numbers were deliberately downplayed with China calling it out in international fora & media.

Now you've the curious case of Akash NGs. There's something deeply flawed with the thought process of our security managers.
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Maybe, our goverment wants to remain below Western/American radar whilst developing full-spectrum defence capabilities. Just think about the reaction if Gov. declares Agni V's range to be 12000 kms? US is going to get nuts.

They want India to be powerful enough to contain China, but not as powerful as them. That's a fact.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Maybe, our goverment wants to remain below Western/American radar whilst developing full-spectrum defence capabilities. Just think about the reaction if Gov. declares Agni V's range to be 12000 kms? US is going to get nuts.

They want India to be powerful enough to contain China, but not as powerful as them. That's a fact.
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We state the ballistic missile ranges when carrying it's highest load in most challenging conditions. Say a single 200 kg nuclear warhead is used, the Agni 3 itself will travel to the edge of Chinese mainland.

As for Akash NG, let's wait for more tests. We will get to know more. It's like the Akash only, where people quote 25, 30 & 35km as ranges.
 
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Look why not go by the word of the director ECS himself, even with conservative approach he clearly said a 50km AD bubble is achieved, and he is not too much into exaggeration. FCR need to do IFF & correlate with other ground station data. So even if missile can travel over 60-70km, first shot will be at approx 50-60 km range & prob 2nd shot fired in succession.
 
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The MFR of Akash-NG looks much bigger than the radars of QRSAM.

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Yet, it provides almost similiar performance.
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Towards the possible acquisition of Akash surface-to-air missile systems, BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles and other military hardware, the Vietnamese defence minister also visited the DRDO headquarters later in the day to discuss ways to enhance defence industrial capabilities through cooperation in defence research and joint production.
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“Vietnam, which has been in discussions on acquiring systems like the indigenous Akash air defence missiles, expressed keenness on transfer of technology,” an official said.
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India News: With China’s aggressive muscle-flexing figuring high on their radar screens, India will now “gift” an indigenously-built missile corvette to Vietnam a
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Fatalis said:
They are always showing the reduced range. From 80 km to 30 km.
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Yes. A missile of that size(supposedly bigger/heavier than MRSAM) having ONLY 30kms range whilst having a dual-pulse rocket motor doesn't sound plausible, IMO. Unless there is also an export orientated single-pulse motor as well. However this is just my hypothesis and may not be true at all.

@marich01 any reasons why Akash-NG's range is only mentioned as 30kms in official brochures?
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Yes. A missile of that size(supposedly bigger/heavier than MRSAM) having ONLY 30kms range whilst having a dual-pulse rocket motor doesn't sound plausible, IMO. Unless there is also an export orientated single-pulse motor as well. However this is just my hypothesis and may not be true at all.

@marich01 any reasons why Akash-NG's range is only mentioned as 30kms in official brochures?
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Previously, DRDO itself was showing the range as 80km. Now, it has been reduced. May be for the export market.

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Its probably the system range that is quoted. Akash is a SRSAM system per its AHSP by DRDL, I think requirement was 25-30km coverage. So this is what the companies would say. I do not think the involved mfg companies can ask DRDL about the range. That is classified information.
 
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