LCH's capabilities and payload are on per for its class.
YouTube info? Why don't you compare spec with hellfire.
It's "par" , Eshwin, "par". Thank God your first name isn't Ganesh. I'd die laughing.
On par with what? It carries less than a ton of payload.
You mean you don't have the specs.
No problem.Go by past precedents then. Compare the weight of the Astra to similar missiles in it's class.
Its a 5.5-ton helicopter (Thus its 'class'). You won't compare it with Apache but tiger.
Maybe a video suggestion?
Are you saying Astra is overweight to deflect?
You mean you don't have the specs.
No problem.Go by past precedents then. Compare the weight of the Astra to similar missiles in it's class.
First, show me how Helina is heavy compared to its contemporaries.
Its a 5.5-ton helicopter (Thus its 'class'). You won't compare it with Apache but tiger.
Maybe a video suggestion?
Are you saying Astra is overweight to deflect?
First, show me how Helina is compared to its contemporaries.
Here...
HAL Light Combat Helicopter - Wikipedia
Agusta A129 Mangusta - Wikipedia
TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK - Wikipedia
Harbin Z-19 - Wikipedia
So basically, it carries 12 missiles - 4 Mistral + 8 ATGMs i.e 700 kgs or thereabouts.. It can be compared to the Agusta - Mangusta in both the Italian &:Turkish versions and of course the Harbin Z-19 which frankly isn't saying much. The only advantage apart from a slightly better payload is it's service ceiling. Which may have been a novelty were the LCH introduced as per the original timeline of 2010-11. As of now there are a few other helos which can come close to it's service ceiling but not in the same category.
It's not bad for a first attempt by HAL. Much like the Mk1 & it's next iteration the Mk1a.
I'm saying the Astra weighs more than other missiles in it's class though it is reported to have some other advantages over other missiles in it's class in terms of its propellant and seeker.
Excusable, I'd say, since it's the first attempt by DRDO to come up with a contemporary A2A missile. Moreover, a few kgs more can be accommodated in a FA. Not sure if a helo that too a LCH can do so especially when it carries a paltry payload to begin with.
I don't have any data on the Helina or SANT. What do I compare it with?
Attack helicopters do not have much payload. And the weapons carried are also light.
LCH's payload is less than Apache, but can climb to higher altitudes, which is more important for us. But is inferior in configuration, where LCH is only half as capable when it comes to carrying a variety of payloads for some missions.
For example, in the tank busting role, right now, LCH can carry only 8 ATGMs and 4 AAMs versus 16 ATGMs on Apache and 4 AAMs. And it has an inferior gun, 20mm vs 30mm. Future LCH versions may see 16 ATGMs, but will then have to go without AAMs.
But against infantry, both are similar, carrying the same payloads while the 20mm gun is quite effective in that role. LCH has been made to climb hills and fight infantry.
Basically, in anti-armour role, LCH is inferior to the Apache when it comes to weapons and sensors. But in most other roles, like escort, cover etc, both are largely similar, although the advantage is still with the Apache because of wing-tip stations, which allow AAM carriage. If LCH gets wing-tip stations, then both Apache and LCH will have pretty much the same configuration.
The Longbow radar is Apache's biggest advantage. LCH doesn't have that yet.
HAL places order with Thales for 2.75-inch rocket launchers to equip Indian armed forces so no surprise is for the same news money is given now
Apparently, the news is one month old. It's only just now that the announcement that it's for HAL LCH has been made.
any idea what's the range of these rockets? and are we equipping each helo with 4 launchers ?? no room for a-a and a-g missiles?
~10 Kms.
Totally mission dependent. If we need 4 launchers then 4 it is, if not then any lower number(3,2,1,0) in any combination. The presence of A-A or ATGMs are also mission dependent.
Since your link says 4 launchers for each i got confused. 10 km is good even a-g missile are not of that range. Good.
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IAF's Apache helicopters need integration with ground forces: Experts
Oct 15, 2019, 10.04 AM IST
The IAF maintains that exposure and experience of its fighter pilots is much more superior than the Army as far as aerial combat and warfare is concerned.
Newly-inducted IAF helicopters 'Apache' perform during the 87th Indian Air Force Day celebrations at Hindon Airbase in Ghaziabad. (Photo | Parveen Negi, EPS)
NEW DELHI: With 22 Apache helicopters set to join the Indian Air Force (IAF) by March 2020, defence experts have raised the need for integrating the multi-role combat choppers with ground forces for better operational capabilities, logistics and training.
Eight units of the US-made combat helicopter Apache AH64E (I) -- where 'I' stands for India-specific enhancements -- were inducted into the 25 Squadron of the IAF in Pathankot in September. India has entered into a multi-billion contract with US aviation major Boeing in September 2015 for acquiring 22 Apache choppers in flyaway condition.
Subsequently, the central government signed another contract worth Rs 4,168 crore for acquiring six Apache choppers for the Army.
The choppers for the IAF are being delivered to India in phases.
"Four additional choppers have subsequently been delivered after the induction of the first batch of eight helicopters into the IAF. Five more choppers will be delivered in December this year. The last installment of five choppers will be delivered in March next year. For the Army, the process of evaluating the six acquisitions is underway," a Boeing spokesperson told IANS.
The choppers, known as 'Tank Killers', provide close air support to armoured formations and ground forces by flying at 'tree-top heights'.
In advanced militaries across the globe, including the US and the UK, the Apache choppers have been inducted into the Army.
"The Apache is meant for armoured battles in scout and attack roles. They have to operate in close coordination with and close support of ground defence. The Army Aviation Corps has the expertise to fly choppers. There needs to be complete integration of the choppers with the Army in terms of training as well as command and co-ordination with land forces. It will be easier to develop tactics and doctrine together," retired Lt Gen Deependra Singh Hooda, former Northern Army Commander, told IANS.
IAF's Apache chopper | PTI
Army veterans are of the argument that any equipment is better held with one particular service for better operations, logistics and maintenance. "With two different services, there will be bureaucratic hassles even for training purposes," added Hooda.
However, the IAF maintains that exposure and experience of its fighter pilots is much more superior than the Army as far as aerial combat and warfare is concerned. The IAF has flown combat helicopters including the Mi 8, the Mi 17, the Mi 25 and the Mi 35 in the past which it cites as precedence for acquiring the Apache combat choppers.
"The IAF talks, speaks and walks aerial warfare. It is the lead service provider in aerial warfare. The Army Aviation Corps is very nascent and had been under the control of the IAF for a long time. The air defence and air space of India is controlled and guarded by the IAF. It is not a question of ownership of the choppers. It ultimately depends on the experience and exposure of the parent organization," retired Air Chief Marshal Fali H Major told IANS.
Apache choppers need integration with ground forces: Experts
IAF's Apache helicopters need integration with ground forces: Experts
Oct 15, 2019, 10.04 AM IST
The IAF maintains that exposure and experience of its fighter pilots is much more superior than the Army as far as aerial combat and warfare is concerned.
Newly-inducted IAF helicopters 'Apache' perform during the 87th Indian Air Force Day celebrations at Hindon Airbase in Ghaziabad. (Photo | Parveen Negi, EPS)
NEW DELHI: With 22 Apache helicopters set to join the Indian Air Force (IAF) by March 2020, defence experts have raised the need for integrating the multi-role combat choppers with ground forces for better operational capabilities, logistics and training.
Eight units of the US-made combat helicopter Apache AH64E (I) -- where 'I' stands for India-specific enhancements -- were inducted into the 25 Squadron of the IAF in Pathankot in September. India has entered into a multi-billion contract with US aviation major Boeing in September 2015 for acquiring 22 Apache choppers in flyaway condition.
Subsequently, the central government signed another contract worth Rs 4,168 crore for acquiring six Apache choppers for the Army.
The choppers for the IAF are being delivered to India in phases.
"Four additional choppers have subsequently been delivered after the induction of the first batch of eight helicopters into the IAF. Five more choppers will be delivered in December this year. The last installment of five choppers will be delivered in March next year. For the Army, the process of evaluating the six acquisitions is underway," a Boeing spokesperson told IANS.
The choppers, known as 'Tank Killers', provide close air support to armoured formations and ground forces by flying at 'tree-top heights'.
In advanced militaries across the globe, including the US and the UK, the Apache choppers have been inducted into the Army.
"The Apache is meant for armoured battles in scout and attack roles. They have to operate in close coordination with and close support of ground defence. The Army Aviation Corps has the expertise to fly choppers. There needs to be complete integration of the choppers with the Army in terms of training as well as command and co-ordination with land forces. It will be easier to develop tactics and doctrine together," retired Lt Gen Deependra Singh Hooda, former Northern Army Commander, told IANS.
IAF's Apache chopper | PTI
Army veterans are of the argument that any equipment is better held with one particular service for better operations, logistics and maintenance. "With two different services, there will be bureaucratic hassles even for training purposes," added Hooda.
However, the IAF maintains that exposure and experience of its fighter pilots is much more superior than the Army as far as aerial combat and warfare is concerned. The IAF has flown combat helicopters including the Mi 8, the Mi 17, the Mi 25 and the Mi 35 in the past which it cites as precedence for acquiring the Apache combat choppers.
"The IAF talks, speaks and walks aerial warfare. It is the lead service provider in aerial warfare. The Army Aviation Corps is very nascent and had been under the control of the IAF for a long time. The air defence and air space of India is controlled and guarded by the IAF. It is not a question of ownership of the choppers. It ultimately depends on the experience and exposure of the parent organization," retired Air Chief Marshal Fali H Major told IANS.
Apache choppers need integration with ground forces: Experts