AUKUS : US, UK and Australia forge military alliance to counter China

picking a side or picking an outcome?

I share a very serious article by Hugh White, an emeritus professor of strategic studies at the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre, Australian National University, about Penny Wong, Australia's Foreign Minister.


But first, and because it is my good pleasure :), I extract a part devoted to submarines:

(…) Nuclear-powered submarines do not make strategic or operational sense for Australia. That is why, right up to the moment Morrison pulled AUKUS out of a hat in September 2021, governments on both sides of politics had always flatly rejected any suggestion that Australia might opt for them. They understood that for Australia’s needs, such vessels’ advantages in speed and stealth do not justify the enormous costs, risks, delays and safety issues involved in their building and operation. The scale of these downsides has become even more glaringly obvious since the extraordinarily complex program to acquire nuclear subs under AUKUS was announced. It shows why, for us, nuclear subs are less cost-effective than conventional ones. The government only started making inflated claims to the contrary – that our strategic and operational circumstances had suddenly changed so much that only nuclear subs would do – after AUKUS was announced.​
In fact, the AUKUS program, with its multiple points of failure, may well end up destroying Australia’s submarine capability, as the old Collins-class boats leave service with nothing to take their place. But in the meantime, AUKUS will have created the most profound transformation of Australia’s alliance with America since the ANZUS Treaty was signed in 1951. The key to understanding this is to recognise the big gap that has always existed, until now, between the elaborate carapace of political rhetoric that surrounds the alliance and the much softer strategic and operational reality within. Leaders on both sides have long talked as if there has never been a closer or deeper mutual commitment between any two countries than we enjoy with America. But the reality has always been very different. We have been quick to fight alongside America in small, cheap wars such as those in Iraq or Afghanistan, but under ANZUS we have never – even at the height of the Cold War – committed ourselves to support America militarily in a full-scale war against a major, nuclear-armed power.​
That has made us by far the least committed of any close US ally. Throughout the Cold War and still today, America’s NATO allies have remained absolutely committed to join America and other NATO partners in a war with Russia. They have accepted US forces based on their soil, forward deployed their forces with US forces in probable conflict zones, and locked themselves into contributing forces to carefully pre-planned operations in future contingencies. Australia had done none of this until recently. We had no US combat forces based on our soil, no Australian units permanently deployed to probable conflict zones, and we accepted no pre-ordained roles in US major war plans. In all these ways, our alliance has been very different, and much looser, than any of America’s NATO allies, or than its key Asian allies in South Korea and Japan.​
This first began to shift gradually in 2011, when Julia Gillard welcomed US forces to undertake rotational training deployments through Darwin, but it has accelerated very quickly over the past couple of years, with initiatives such as the provision of operational basing for US long-range nuclear bombers in northern Australia. AUKUS has taken this a huge step further, because it centres around a radically strengthened commitment by Australia to fight alongside America in a major war in Asia. Defence Minister Richard Marles has said that Australia has made no promises, but the AUKUS program itself embodies Australia’s acceptance of America’s expectations. The US decision to give us access to its most sensitive military technologies, and especially to sell us Virginia-class nuclear-powered submarines taken from the US Navy, is simply unthinkable unless it is sure that Australian forces would be fully committed to the fight if it goes to war with China. If we fail to meet those expectations, the AUKUS deal will be off, as Marles and his colleagues must understand. So, suddenly Australia has become something much more like one of America’s NATO allies, automatically committed to fight if war breaks out with America’s major regional rival. That is certainly the way Washington sees it. That’s why it has embraced AUKUS. Our siding with America against China has thus been taken to a whole new level. AUKUS guarantees that what Dutton said is right: if AUKUS stands, it is inconceivable that Australia would not fight by America’s side if America ever goes to war with China. This is an outcome that the Labor government seems to wholeheartedly embrace.​
Labor, like the Coalition before it, tries to step around this reality by claiming that AUKUS will help prevent a war rather than compel us to fight one. It says that Australia’s strengthened capabilities and deeper commitment to fight will deter China from escalating its challenge to a military confrontation. That is wishful thinking. AUKUS will deliver no real increase in military capability until well into the 2040s at the very earliest. China won’t be deterred from attacking Taiwan in the next five or 10 years by the fear of a few new Australian subs that might come into service 10 years after that. (…)​
(…) At the same time, the nature of a US–China war is becoming starkly clearer. The old comfortable assumptions about America’s unchallengeable military superiority over China are giving way to more realistic assessments of the balance of military advantage, and the news is not good. No one now expects America to score a swift and easy victory in a maritime war over Taiwan, and only those making heroically optimistic assumptions predict that America would win any kind of victory at all. Moreover, the risk of the war going nuclear is now better understood, as the scale and capability of China’s nuclear forces are more realistically assessed. It is now obvious that a US–China war could well be the biggest and most destructive since 1945, and is very likely to be nuclear. So, this is a war that, to quote Ronald Reagan, cannot be won and must never be fought. It is hard to imagine that Labor’s leaders do not understand this. (…)​


And it is in the next part of the article that Penny Wong is mentioned:
(…) Wong is fond of saying that we need to deal with the world as it is, not as we’d like it to be. Over the past few years she has explored the outcomes Australia should realistically be seeking amid the turmoil that surrounds us today.(…) “within a decade, the Chinese economy is set to become nearly twice as large as the econom[y] of the US”. Few if any of our political leaders have acknowledged so frankly how far the distribution of wealth and power has shifted China’s way.​
She went on to describe the “profound implications for our region and for the United States”, stating: “Over the next decades, neither the United States nor China will be able to exert undisputed primacy. They must be prepared to live with each other as major powers.” This is only to be expected, she said, because “As China’s relative economic weight increased, it is unsurprising that it would seek a greater say in the region.” Nor should we be too alarmed. “We recognise that China has a right to develop, and a right to a role in the region alongside other regional powers. We do not and should not pre-emptively frame China only as a threat.” In an earlier speech in Sydney, in July 2018, she spelt out the historic implications of all this when she quoted an observation from the then dean of the College of Asia and the Pacific at the Australian National University, Michael Wesley, that “this is the first time since European settlement that Australia has had to contemplate living in a region not dominated by a culturally similar ally”. (…)​
(…) For Wong the correct response to this fundamental power shift is clear. Australia should seek a multipolar order in Asia, she has said, “a multipolar region in which the United States remains deeply and constructively engaged; in which China is a positive contributor; and in which the perspectives and contributions of smaller powers are respected and valued.” That means finding what she called “a settling point” between what she sees as two equally unsustainable extremes: continued US primacy on the one hand, or Chinese hegemony on the other. She was quite explicit about this when she spoke in Jakarta. She rejected “the notion of a binary choice: that the only alternatives are accepting a Chinese-led regional order or unconditional support for US-defined strategic competition with Beijing”. I have italicised that last clause because it so precisely expresses Wong’s repudiation, when she was in Opposition, of the approach that the Albanese government is now taking. (…)​

For those who are interested, full, interesting and long article:
Penny Wong’s next big fight
(Thx to the original poster)
 
Really? you want to quote Hugh White. You might as well quote this guy who is still in the 80's

Now now now pops , Keating wasn't the only one in the 80's or in his 80's . Turnbull too had pretty similar reservations .

 
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And now, FUKUS....
April Fool.
 
(bloomberg, may23)

Australia Laments Bureaucratic ‘Permafrost’ That’s Slowing Aukus Security Alliance​

  • Top defense official cites delays on quantum, AI cooperation
  • Officials express concern that Aukus won’t live up to promise


A top Australian defense official said bloated US bureaucracy has delayed technology-sharing that was supposed to be a key benefit of the Aukus security deal, adding to concerns that the young partnership isn’t living up to its early promise.

Ninh Duong, science leader at the Australian Department of Defense, who’s based at Australia’s embassy in Washington and has been involved in Aukus since the outset, blamed what he called “a permafrost layer of middle management” in the US government for the delays. Wading through the US system feels like “death by a thousand cuts,” he said in an interview.

Export controls, onerous regulation and over-classification all stand in the way of cooperation in areas such as cyber, artificial intelligence and quantum technologies, he later told a panel at the Offset Symposium in Washington.

“We really need people to listen to what our seniors are saying – what the president and prime minister are saying,” Duoung said.

The comments add to a growing chorus of doubt about the prospects for Aukus, the Australia-US-UK partnership that was announced in 2021 and billed as a bulwark of unity to check China’s ambitions in the Indo-Pacific. It was considered so important that the three countries were willing to endure a major diplomatic spat over Australia’s decision to scrap a submarine deal with France in favor of US technology.

Doung’s comments echo those of Australia’s deputy prime minister Richard Marles, who warned last week of “vast and complex” barriers inhibiting technology transfer from the US to Australia, saying the full ambition of Aukus will be realized only if such transfers are “seamless.” In March, the Royal United Services Institute, a UK defense and security think tank, described the Aukus story so far as “a shallow sound bite.”

Duong said Aukus was supposed to be a “battering ram” to push past bureaucratic barriers to sharing technology, but that Australia is still struggling to get everyone aligned. He added that waiting as long as two years to get the work done “is just too long.”

Duong suggested other countries, such as Japan, Canada, South Korea and even France, could ultimately join Aukus projects if the route to technology transfers, which are also hampered by classification levels as well as US export controls, could be straightened out.

In March, US President Joe Biden, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak jointly described a path forward for Aukus during a meeting in San Diego that focused mostly on the “Pillar 1” of the deal: equipping Australia with conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines.

The State Department is responsible for export controls, though the Pentagon’s Defense Technology and Security Administration and Congress have a role to play too. Top State Department and Pentagon officials are set to testify before Congress on Wednesday about modernizing US arms exports and a stronger Aukus.

A report from the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney echoed Duong’s push, arguing for both a White House executive order and congressional action to deliver significant export control reforms.

“Without them, the chances of failure are uncomfortably high,” the report argued, citing antiquated legal and regulatory settings and “a mindset” that gives short shrift to input from US allies.

Two State Department officials told Bloomberg News the US is trying to improve the situation, starting by putting Australia on a favored list for technological transfers, so long as national secrets stay within the tight Aukus group. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the contents of this week’s House testimony, which isn’t yet public.

One said the US agrees there’s an opportunity to revamp rules about export controls in support of the new Aukus partnership, saying this week’s initial proposals to the House will call for legislative changes but stop short of offering specifics because the initiative is still under development.
The second official cautioned that Australian universities and other research institutions expected to participate in Aukus aren’t used to the level of attention that the technological pillar will bring from mutual adversaries. Export controls need to protect everything inside of the Aukus bubble and avoid information leaking, the official said.

Charles Edel, Australia chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said it was unlikely the barriers thrown up by the export control regime would be resolved without a combination of political pressure, bureaucratic reform and legislative action, and that there are “competing views” about what to fix first and how.

He said the Biden administration recognizes the need to overcome barriers, citing Biden’s weekend announcement that he plans to ask Congress to designate Australia a “domestic source” to help streamline industrial cooperation with the goal of accelerating the realization of Aukus. /end
 
I wonder if you realise what it would mean? To have the status of “domestic source” It makes this defence trade treaty, not needing an export licence. Which is a big deal. It makes it look very pale in comparison.
"The Treaty between the Government of Australia and the Government of the United States of America concerning Defence Trade Cooperation creates a framework for two-way trade between 'trusted communities' in Australia and the United States without the need for an export licence."
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The more relevant parts. President executive order, followed by the congress. I wonder if you realise what it would mean? To have the status of “domestic source”

"The State Department is responsible for export controls, though the Pentagon’s Defense Technology and Security Administration and Congress have a role to play too. Top State Department and Pentagon officials are set to testify before Congress on Wednesday about modernizing US arms exports and a stronger Aukus.

A report from the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney echoed Duong’s push, arguing for both a White House executive order and congressional action to deliver significant export control reforms.

He said the Biden administration recognizes the need to overcome barriers, citing Biden’s weekend announcement that he plans to ask Congress to designate Australia a “domestic source” to help streamline industrial cooperation with the goal of accelerating the realization of Aukus."
 
I wonder if you realise what it would mean? To have the status of “domestic source” It makes this defence trade treaty, not needing an export licence. Which is a big deal. It makes it look very pale in comparison.
"The Treaty between the Government of Australia and the Government of the United States of America concerning Defence Trade Cooperation creates a framework for two-way trade between 'trusted communities' in Australia and the United States without the need for an export licence."
...

The more relevant parts. President executive order, followed by the congress. I wonder if you realise what it would mean? To have the status of “domestic source”

"The State Department is responsible for export controls, though the Pentagon’s Defense Technology and Security Administration and Congress have a role to play too. Top State Department and Pentagon officials are set to testify before Congress on Wednesday about modernizing US arms exports and a stronger Aukus.

A report from the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney echoed Duong’s push, arguing for both a White House executive order and congressional action to deliver significant export control reforms.

He said the Biden administration recognizes the need to overcome barriers, citing Biden’s weekend announcement that he plans to ask Congress to designate Australia a “domestic source” to help streamline industrial cooperation with the goal of accelerating the realization of Aukus."
You had already cited Australia as a "domestic source" in your post #396, 5 March.

Congratulations: proud to be the 51st state of the US?

but it's not me you need to convince or reassure: it's rather the "senior Australian defence official" who speaks in the Bloomberg article, as well as Ninh Duong/Duoung/Dong, as well as PM Marles, who spoke last week, as well as the Royal United Services Institute who spoke in March.

And, of course, the State Department, the Pentagon, Congress and the US Senate.

You must also convince the next president of the United States, your president, to sign an executive order.

good luck.
 
As to being the 51st state. Say hello to your boss, Germany for me. France is an EU bit player and not the star of the show, like Germany.

I know you guys are wishing the best for our sub. :ROFLMAO: However you are mistaken. What I linked before was the 'no export licence needed' treaty. A big deal.

The new “domestic source” is what the President is making by executive order, to be ratified by Congress. It is a very big deal. There is no barrier at all.
As to the public statements. This is how defense talks to Congress, have you not been watching the F-35 etc.?

Although it's the headline, subs are second to the other AUKUS tech projects in AI, Quantum etc. which are even more valuable.
 

The basis of the article of the upcoming hearing

Full Committee Hearing on Modernizing U.S. Arms Exports and a Stronger AUKUS

 
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