AUKUS : US, UK and Australia forge military alliance to counter China

The 3 SSN Virginia are a bridging sub. It also provides docking, repair facilities and manpower for the USN subs. It is in the US interests, so they can forward deploy. It is not really in Australia's interest to run two types of subs. It only increases costs.

I don't have an issue if this is an outcome. It will save Australia a bunch of money.
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The virginia doesn't affect how many SSN-AUKUS. We were always going to build 8 USN AUKUS. We get the USN AUKUS 2040s

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Basically Australians paid French to develop a world beating SSK meeting their requirements. Then kicked them.

Then they are paying US and UK to sustain their SSN fleet with no insight on how the Collins will be replaced till 2040?

UK and USA taking Australian taxpayer for a ride.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Basically Australians paid French to develop a world beating SSK meeting their requirements. Then kicked them.

Then they are paying US and UK to sustain their SSN fleet with no insight on how the Collins will be replaced till 2040?

UK and USA taking Australian taxpayer for a ride.
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We paid for an early concept design. We bailed early, when it came to detailed design. It had the potential to be a good sub. However Naval Group made it difficult. Google has the story.
Just for a start
www.politico.eu

Why Australia wanted out of its French submarine deal

Canberra has signaled for months it was seeking to walk away over cost blowouts and delays.
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SSN-AUKUS is the Collins replacement. The Collins are having a major refit to last till then.

You clearly don't know what AUKUS pillar 1 and 2 is
 
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We paid for an early concept design. We bailed early, when it came to detailed design. It had the potential to be a good sub. However Naval Group made it difficult. Google has the story.
Just for a start
www.politico.eu

Why Australia wanted out of its French submarine deal

Canberra has signaled for months it was seeking to walk away over cost blowouts and delays.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu

SSN-AUKUS is the Collins replacement. The Collins are having a major refit to last till then.

You clearly don't know what AUKUS pillar 1 and 2 is
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But pops that's exactly what we've been saying from the very beginning that le Francais wanted to take you for a ride ( I mean why blame them when you're such easy pickings ) & when your Anglo cousins saw how the figure of your submarine procurement escalated before they could bat their eyelids to the extent it did , they decided why should NG have all the fun & came out with a con of their own which as we all know the Aussies are much more comfortable with given your past history.

End result with a conflict looming in the Pacific which US administration is idiotic enough ( & I'd include Trump in it assuming he wins the election which I very much doubt though the Aussies would definitely identify more with him given similarities in the intellect ) to afford to go in for mfg submarines for you when they're facing an existential crisis themselves or even transfer a few to you ?

Best case scenario you get hand me downs post war depending on how the USN emerges from the conflict for which you pay top dollar plus costs of refurbishment , of course. And if I were to use my powers of prediction which is much better than RST's I'd say come 2040s you're looking at another refit of the Collins class assuming they've some life left in them which is a more likely scenario .

You've a better chance of building up an automotive industry given the Lithium deposits in Oz than you would of building submarines. Honest advice . Take it for what it's worth. Though if you don't manage to do both it wouldn't come as a surprise at all.
 
Ideally, Japan and should have been part of this alliance. However, with the efforts Biden administration done to interfere in India's internal matter, India is unlikely to be part of this alliance, but Japan is a natural contender. They should include Japan to make this alliance stronger.
 
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I was referring to the first variation. The SSN-AUKUS is a new class meant to replace Astute.

It makes more sense for the USN to keep their subs; better personnel, better training, more experienced, better overall efficiency versus the same technologies used by allies. They can aim to build 8 SSN-AUKUS instead of 5.
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yeah, i was joking about the availability of the Astute, but it is still worrying.

If the SSN-AUKUS are available in the 2040s, at best, i doubt the Collins will hold out until then despite the LOTE.

Then what happens if the Los Angeles are not there to fill the gap?
 
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yeah, i was joking about the availability of the Astute, but it is still worrying.

If the SSN-AUKUS are available in the 2040s, at best, i doubt the Collins will hold out until then despite the LOTE.

Then what happens if the Los Angeles are not there to fill the gap?
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I guess the plan now is to forward deploy newly built Virginias under the US flag until the AUKUS ones are inducted. That could be a 25-year process. So these redeployed Virginias could end their lives in Australian waters, replaced by AUKUS subs.

I don't think the LA class has much to do here, all of them are to be decommissioned by 2030-31, and Collins are gonna stay around until 2040 anyway. But it would mean Australia will not have a sufficiently large sub fleet of 3-4 SSNs until the mid-2050s.
 
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