AUKUS & sovereignty? There's a contradiction in terms.
(By the way, is Queen Elizabeth II still on your banknotes?)
(By the way, is Queen Elizabeth II still on your banknotes?)
Not anymore. After the resentment we may have felt after the Australian "betrayal," it's now such fun to watch the soap opera "Aukus" (pillar: submarines) while munching on chips and sipping a good Burgundy wine.
Did you forget the clickbait article, you posted?
US congressional report explores option of not delivering any Aukus nuclear submarines to Australia
Report offers alternative of the US navy retaining boats and operating them out of Australian bases
"One of the arguments made against the US selling submarines to Australia is that Australia has refused to commit to supporting America in a conflict with China over Taiwan.
Richard Marles, and the chief of navy that Australia would make “no promises … that Australia would support the United States” in the event of war with China over Taiwan."
Australia is therefore neither sovereign nor a reliable ally. QEDDid you forget the clickbait article, you posted?
You know, the one where the US looking at not delivering the Virginia, Australia has control and sovereignty over the Virginia sub and refused to follow the USUS congressional report explores option of not delivering any Aukus nuclear submarines to Australia
Report offers alternative of the US navy retaining boats and operating them out of Australian baseswww.theguardian.com
"One of the arguments made against the US selling submarines to Australia is that Australia has refused to commit to supporting America in a conflict with China over Taiwan.
Richard Marles, and the chief of navy that Australia would make “no promises … that Australia would support the United States” in the event of war with China over Taiwan."
So let me get this French 'thinking' straight and I use the term thinking, loosely,
If we blindly follow the US we are vassals, If we have control and sovereignty over our stuff, we are a poor ally
That's pretty much it, yes.
Except that you don't have control or sovereignty over [y]our stuff.
Offering a naval base to US nuclear submarines on your territory isn't what I call "sovereignty."
By comparison, it was in 1966 that General de Gaulle, then president, demanded the closure of all NATO bases on French territory.
US go home!
And for now, you don't have any nuclear submarines. Only on paper.
At least try a bit, It is against Australian law for another country to have a base on Australia,
Australia has full control of all bases, The US and other visiting nations are a guest and under our control
Australia has full control of all bases, The US and other visiting nations are a guest and under our control
The submarines if crewed by US crew and/or base infra and its operation requiring US assistance to run, will give US lot of influence to bend Australian will if any disagreement ever emerges between the two in future, the Australian law in this regard is one the positive factors for Australian gov. Body but not the decisive one by itself.
Yo Pops ! Never knew you're into stand up . US role in bringing down Kevin Rudd the Elmer Fudd of Oz politics as seen by DC & propping up Julia Gillard seen as more malleable to US interests , isn't even a secret in Oz itself.
And you'd have us believe Oz enjoys strategic autonomy when even little britain doesn't make such a claim. Never realised you had such a devious sense of humour.
Please take a break for the original clown Paddy is back which leaves you then as just a pale imitation.
Which is why they want us to have their Virginia subs, So when we have Virginia facilities, they can get us to service and repair their subs too
I have previously said it would save us a lot of money, I'd be happy with the US running all the Virginias and we will just go with the SSN-AUKUS, There is more cost in running 2 different platforms
I have previously said it would save us a lot of money, I'd be happy with the US running all the Virginias and we will just go with the SSN-AUKUS, There is more cost in running 2 different platforms
Or at some point in the future the US & UK plead their inability to build the SSN AUKUS in time leaving the Virginia class subs as SSN AUKUS . In other words hand me downs.
Not inconceivable given the times we're in.
Besides what're you going to do ? Refuse to accept them ? By that time you'd have sunk in billions of AuD already.
I'm telling you pops this entire thing was a set up from day 1 & you Aussies fell for it like you always do
You're getting it all wrong. Aussies don't mind being cuckolded or cheated by the US & UK . In fact they proudly wear it as a badge of honour.
They draw the line at others like le Francais or ze Germans or worse the Russians or the Japs or even worse the Chinese or horror of horrors them bloody Indians.
The Aussie elite as opposed to the " Aussie intellectual" for there's no such thing as an Aussie intellectual ( it's an Oxymoron ) look upto UK & the US for validation such that an "Aussie work of art" - another oxymoron , won't be seen as such in Oz unless it draws applause from the US & UK.
Such are the levels of intellectual colonisation of the Aussies.
Indeed.
The reason of Australia's strategic direction and psyche can be summed up in a way.
. The lingering sense of being Western & democratic.
. The illusion of persisting old alliances.
. More Discreet coercive tactics of US which gives aussie people an illusionary sense of sovereignty as opposed to more blunt and open coercive measures used by China.
15.02.26
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18 billion euros = 12 Barracuda SSN (Unit price: 1.32 billion euros)
Australia Launches Nuclear Submarine Shipyard Under Aukus
Canberra is releasing AU$3.9 billion to build a shipyard dedicated to nuclear submarines. This is a key step in the Aukus pact, which aims to consolidate the strategic balance in the Indo-Pacific.Australia is putting its words into action. The government of Anthony Albanese has announced the release of an initial investment of AU$3.9 billion (€2.4 billion) to launch the construction of a shipyard for nuclear-powered submarines. This funding represents the first industrial milestone of the Aukus agreement, concluded in 2021 between Canberra, Washington, and London to strengthen the West's strategic presence in the Indo-Pacific in the face of China's growing power.
Ultimately, the total investment in this new site, located in Osborne near Adelaide, is estimated at 30 billion Australian dollars (18 billion euros). "Crucial for providing Australia with nuclear-powered submarines equipped with conventional weapons," the Prime Minister stated in a press release.
A 200 billion euro program
Initially, the agreement provides for the delivery, starting in 2032, of three to five American Virginia-class submarines. Then, from 2040, a new generation of Aukus-class stealth submarines will be jointly developed by the British group BAE Systems and the Australian state-owned company ASC. The first units will be assembled in the United Kingdom, with subsequent ones in Australia. The total cost of the program, including submarines, is estimated at nearly €200 billion over thirty years.
Defense Minister Richard Marles praised the ongoing transformation of the Osborne site, stating that it demonstrated the country's ability to develop a sovereign industrial base in naval nuclear power.
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18 billion euros = 12 Barracuda SSN (Unit price: 1.32 billion euros)
Hate to break it to you Pops. China is the glue holding India & the US led Western bloc alliance together. You take China out of the equation & the Anglos along with their attack dogs in Europe will come to tear us apart. Not that it isn't being attempted even as we speak.
However I'm reckoning in China , the US will finally get a peer competitor war it was denied by the USSR which simply imploded. My sincere hope is China goes down & takes the US along with it.
As far as the perfidious Albion is concerned along with the other European vassals of the US , Russia should take care of them the same way China does the US .
The future belongs to countries like Australia . Just like the mother country itself & the various strategic outposts it established , you're isolated , have no natural enemies should be primed to see European migrants especially the elite human capital not the riff raff human flotsam like Paddy @BMD fed up with the situation back home , in. That also means no Muslim immigrants.
In short become what Reconstruction era US became growing fast assimilating migrants establishing industrial townships etc & emerge as a significant power towards the end of the 19th century .
I'm dead sure you'd not do any such thing for you've no independent identity of your own nor any strategic vision divorced from the Anglo US world view .
Kevin Rudd tried to adopt a different strategy but chose another dependency instead of strategic autonomy paying the price. Twice.
Ar the end if it all instead of great power status which you can very well qualify for will be reduced to a contest for regional dominance between you & Indonesia.
18b also gets about 5 Virginia, 36b gets about 10 Virginia, The issue is, you don't realise what we are doing with 200b
Astute Class HMS Anson arrives in Perth ahead of maintenance, deep-sea acoustic trials
The Royal Navy’s Astute Class submarine, HMS Anson, is expected to arrive at Submarine Rotational Force - West today in advance of two weeks of deep-sea trials off the Western Australian coast.
www.defenceconnect.com.au
Two Royal Australian Navy officers have been embedded aboard HMS Anson.
During the HMS Anson visit, AUKUS partners will also undertake a combined AUKUS Pillar I and Pillar II activity, assessing and enhancing AUKUS Pillar II anti-submarine warfare AI algorithms fitted to the RAAF P-8A Poseidon.
Deputy British High Commissioner Dr Brian Jones, speaking during a briefing with Defence Connect on February 20, confirmed that the Astute class nuclear-powered submarine is expected to make port at HMAS Stirling in Western Australia.
“Over the past year we brought 3,500 British armed forces personnel and a Carrier Strike Group to Australia. Today, we are preparing for a Royal Navy submarine to arrive in Western Australia for a month of planned sustainment and maintenance…This is another step along the AUKUS Optimal Pathway, and another demonstration of our unwavering commitment,” he said.
“This submarine maintenance period, known as SMP, sends a simple message of our water-tight commitment to AUKUS; sold and unwavering. It’s a top priority for the UK Government.
“Deploying one of our most capable defence assets into this region reflects our commitment to work with our close partners to uphold peace, security and stability. At a time of significant uncertainty, it has never been more important to stand rock-solid and reliable with our closest friends and allies.
A Chinese vessel was reportedly monitoring the submarine's arrival. There are fears Australia is being watched in relation to the AUKUS submarine program.
Chinese ship prompts sub security fears from top UK official
A senior British official has stressed the importance of protective security measures for a visiting UK sub after it pulled into HMAS Stirling naval base close to where a Chinese vessel has been stationed.
thewest.com.au