Bangladesh PM Sheikh Hasina Quits, Army Coup Amid Massive Protests

Islamist Bangladesh doesn't represent the same threat to India that a NATO Ukraine does to Russia.
The only threat a NATO Ukraine represents to russia is the threat of not being able to invade Ukraine. It's the threat of having to abandon its imperialistic, colonialist, and genocidal intentions.
A gift from the outgoing Democrat govt in the US.

This would benefit the US. In fact, they wanted to interfere in BD elections, but backed out due to Indian pressure. It seems they had other plans.

During the Cold War, the US and UK wanted NE India to detach from India so they could then influence the new countries to give them access to Tibet via Myanmar while cutting off India's connectivity to SE Asia. They seem to have brought that playbook out again, this time via BD. This works in China's favor too for obvious reasons.

Let's also not forget the Democrats' (and the Global Left's) newfound love for Muslims over the last decade. Islam is not compatible with democracy, so they are using the nature of Muslims to kill it and usher in communism. If you have a single-party state, then there's no need for elections.

This is why I want Republicans in power for the next 2-3 decades in the US. And why I told @BMD the UK is going to go to the dogs once Sunak is gone. And that happened quite quickly and quite literally.
You're always falling into the same trap of believing that only Americans have an agency, and everyone else only acts if the Americans tell them to act.

It's just not imaginable that they'd take the initiative on their own to protest against a leader that has been in power since 1996 (except for 2001-2009), who has increased her country's debt by 238%, and who decided to reestablish a discriminatory practice that had been abolished in 2018 after, already, popular demonstrations. It's not like Hasina has had to face criticism before for things like rigged elections the last couple of times... It's not like there hadn't been scandals about government projects such as the Padma Bridge...

No, if people are angry about corruption, cronyism, and incompetence, it is only because of the Americans! Without the Americans, people would just be happy to be led by corrupt morons as it would be regarded as the natural of things.

Now I get that you're upset because India viewed Hasina as an ally in the region and doesn't know what to expect from whatever the next government of Bangladesh will be. But there were signs that things weren't working out well in Bangladesh. You should have seen them, and prepared for them. India supposedly has a "Look East" foreign policy. Maybe it should be a "Watch East" policy instead... Pay attention!
The opposite. The US invaded Iraq with the intention of clearing the entire belt from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf off of Russian influence. Hence Russia's Syrian intervention.
That's a new one. America's motives for invading Iraq were numerous and not well thought-out, but russia did not figure among them. Remember, we're talking about 2002 when that decision was taken. Russia was in the G8, Putin went to Washington, Bush went to Moscow, they created the NATO-Russia Summit, they organized a "U.S.-Russia Commercial Energy Summit", Russia was helping America in Afghanistan, the Open Skies Treaty had just entered into force, things were going well between them back then.
Then getting Ukraine to commit against Russia would close off the Black Sea from Russian influence as well, this would have completely pushed Russia out of West and North Africa, indiretly impacting China.
So that's what they did nothing against russia in Africa. Makes sense.
Follow that up with chaos in the ME and Central Asia, and that would checkmate all major rising powers in the region, even India. Take into account their latest move in BD, and things fall into place.
Yeah, you're just turning things into a story. A story with only one protagonist, who is also simultaneously the antagonist. There's a grand plan going on, which is unerringly followed across the decades and centuries. It's typical conspiracy theory sophistry; everything has to be attributed to a single cause because that's a simpler storytelling that looking at what actually happens and trying to figure out why. It's always easier to blame one group. Typically it's the Jews, or the Freemasons, or anyone else who is suspected of being smarter and better connected than the average guy. It's always because of Them.

And, more importantly, it's never the fault of anyone else. Sheikh Hasina didn't lose power because she absolutely wanted to reestablish an impopular quota policy that is basically tantamount to concentrating money and political power into her clan at the expense of the rest of the population; no, the people would have been happy with money and political power being concentrated into the hands of a ruling clan that has bankrupted the country if the CIA didn't, somehow, manage to convince them that autocracy and corruption are actually bad.

Just like in Ukraine, remember, only the Americans can convince people that corruption and autocracy are bad! Naturally, everyone loves to be ruled by corrupt autocrat! They enjoy it! Man, if only the CIA agent known as "Mohandas Karamchand G." didn't succeed in his CIA-backed coup, you'd still be British! Because people have no agency and only act when the Americans make them act.
 
During the Cold War, the US and UK wanted NE India to detach from India so they could then influence the new countries to give them access to Tibet via Myanmar while cutting off India's connectivity to SE Asia. They seem to have brought that playbook out again, this time via BD. This works in China's favor too for obvious reasons.
Maybe back in the cold war days but it's too risky nowadays. The US isn't doing bad against China in this game of strategic competition. Most of the smaller Asian nations have chosen team USA. No point rocking the boat and creating too much instability for India... yet. The gains from it are mediocre at this point. The US already has access to Southern China through Vietnam if they really need it. Myanmar is also in the process of flip flopping to the US. A Himalayan front that the US can stage troops from would be nice but isn't entirely necessary.

The only threat a NATO Ukraine represents to russia is the threat of not being able to invade Ukraine. It's the threat of having to abandon its imperialistic, colonialist, and genocidal intentions.
I entirely understand this, but from any great power's POV they don't want a stronger milliary/cultural power sitting right up next to their main population cores.

Even if NATO never attacks Russia, their mere presence so close to Russian cities and people will mold Russian politics and society for many generations.
 
Rise in terrorism in the NE is practically guaranteed. But any state-sponsorship of terrorism will see BD dealing with a very aggressive India.

Unlike Pakistan, BD is a noisy rabble.

With that said, we need to plug the border.
Regardless, India will have to reckon with Bangladesh someday. It's a country destined to suffer from climate change. There will come a time where millions of Bangladeshis will flee into India after being displaced by flooding or whatever.

There might be periods of antagonism but India really can't treat Bangladesh like its back to being East Pakistan. Have to warm up ties and help them tide things over and become economically strong enough to contribute to India's own development.
 
A gift from the outgoing Democrat govt in the US.

This would benefit the US. In fact, they wanted to interfere in BD elections, but backed out due to Indian pressure. It seems they had other plans.

During the Cold War, the US and UK wanted NE India to detach from India so they could then influence the new countries to give them access to Tibet via Myanmar while cutting off India's connectivity to SE Asia. They seem to have brought that playbook out again, this time via BD. This works in China's favor too for obvious reasons.

Let's also not forget the Democrats' (and the Global Left's) newfound love for Muslims over the last decade. Islam is not compatible with democracy, so they are using the nature of Muslims to kill it and usher in communism. If you have a single-party state, then there's no need for elections.
You make so much up, it's impossible to know where to start correcting your imagination. There's Bangladesh and China right next to it, and you blame the US, which is thousands of miles away? That's a special kind of stupid.
This is why I want Republicans in power for the next 2-3 decades in the US. And why I told @BMD the UK is going to go to the dogs once Sunak is gone. And that happened quite quickly and quite literally.
Clearly a lot of people don't want to let Labour off with having no immigration control policy whatsoever but no doubt certain foreign elements are using that to stoke instability.
Compilation of what revolutionary have managed to get their hand on so far.


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They're clearly a step up from Russian theives who just steal toilets.
 
Regardless, India will have to reckon with Bangladesh someday. It's a country destined to suffer from climate change. There will come a time where millions of Bangladeshis will flee into India after being displaced by flooding or whatever.

There might be periods of antagonism but India really can't treat Bangladesh like its back to being East Pakistan. Have to warm up ties and help them tide things over and become economically strong enough to contribute to India's own development.
A country full of rabid-peaceful(s) having reconciliation with India is just a pipe-dream. Now 2.5 front became 3 front for us. We may run away or avoid war as much we like, but it will come to us sooner or later and I am saying this not because I am a war monger but that's where every country is headed towards unfortunately.

Peaceful guys won't stop until they conquer India through Gazwa-E-Hind. It's either them or us in the long run!
 
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Ah , the biggest story thus far this year & can RST be far behind ?

Grapevine on Twitter is the new Army Chief informed SHW that the BD Army would no longer be shielding her & her party men from the ordinary malaun lungi. It was upto her whether she wanted to quit gracefully & save her life or if she wanted to go down .

As to the reason this happened it's the same reason her father was assassinated. Too much concentration of powers in one hand or in the hands of one family , the usual unrestrained corruption , nepotism , incompetence & most important of all anti incumbency.

This has been the BD way since forever. Have we forgotten how her predecessor Begum Khaleda Zia was ousted more than 15 years ago ?

For those spinning this as a CIA coup , apparently now that a favourable regime is in place can the Americans expect basing rights there against China now that SHW & her AL are no longer in power.

Answer that one & you'd have your answer if this was a CIA sponsored coup.

So what's in store for India & the Hindus there. Nothing special. Both are damned if they do anything or if they don't. They're the Jews of this part of the world , more or less. Anything goes wrong & they become everyone's favourite whipping boys.

With SHW & the AL around , the situation was somewhat under control. With her opponents in power , it's back to the usual. As far as India's concerned , we can expect controlled hostility from the powers that be . How bad will it be is something only time will tell for unlike in the past China's now an interested party & they're already playing both sides in Myanmar.

BD can't pull this off without external support. And China has been interfering since the early 80s, ever since they fell into USA's good graces and BD became a country. The same lot BNP-Jamaat under Khaleda protected ULFA, and they armed the Maoists.

Anyway, the military removed Zia from power in 2007 and installed Hasina as the leader. And now the reverse is likely to happen. And the military is under the USA.

Voter turnout was 39% in 2014, 80% in 2018 and 41% in 2024. All three times, the Global Left in the West objected. The US was fine with the elections in 2018 'cause of Trump. The Democrats wanted Hasina gone. Interestingly, Putin, Xi and Modi are supportive of Hasina, which explains her arrogance and the increased corruption while in office during her third time. So guess which camp the US supports?

The US did not create the environment, Hasia did it all by herself. But the US has a habit of making use of such opportunities.

To be fair, it wasn't against India alone. China was CPEC'ing their way into BD too.


Without US/UK support, there's no way BD Army would have gone against Modi and Xi at the same time. That Labour win must have played a part, especially if the UK wants a trade deal with India. And the UK wants to wriggle out of giving Hasina asylum.


Starmer wants her to stay in India. Guess he wants to impress his Mirpuri overlords and their African cousins.
 
You're always falling into the same trap of believing that only Americans have an agency, and everyone else only acts if the Americans tell them to act.

In this case, neither China nor India gains. Both countries favored Hasina.

It's just not imaginable that they'd take the initiative on their own to protest against a leader that has been in power since 1996 (except for 2001-2009), who has increased her country's debt by 238%, and who decided to reestablish a discriminatory practice that had been abolished in 2018 after, already, popular demonstrations. It's not like Hasina has had to face criticism before for things like rigged elections the last couple of times... It's not like there hadn't been scandals about government projects such as the Padma Bridge...

No, if people are angry about corruption, cronyism, and incompetence, it is only because of the Americans! Without the Americans, people would just be happy to be led by corrupt morons as it would be regarded as the natural of things.

Now I get that you're upset because India viewed Hasina as an ally in the region and doesn't know what to expect from whatever the next government of Bangladesh will be. But there were signs that things weren't working out well in Bangladesh. You should have seen them, and prepared for them. India supposedly has a "Look East" foreign policy. Maybe it should be a "Watch East" policy instead... Pay attention!

The protests were homegrown, but continued even after the controversial quotas were discontinued. Funny thing, she didn't reenact those laws, she herself had scrapped them in 2018, it was a high court that brought it back.

The protests were taken over later on by opposition parties after a lull.


And this time the targets were her position, her party and minorities, the ones she has been protecting all this time.

Here's the kicker. The army chief is her relative, supposed to be her puppet, but even he couldn't do anything about it.

That's a new one. America's motives for invading Iraq were numerous and not well thought-out, but russia did not figure among them. Remember, we're talking about 2002 when that decision was taken. Russia was in the G8, Putin went to Washington, Bush went to Moscow, they created the NATO-Russia Summit, they organized a "U.S.-Russia Commercial Energy Summit", Russia was helping America in Afghanistan, the Open Skies Treaty had just entered into force, things were going well between them back then.

Russia has been a target since 1991. Iraq War plans started after relations between the US and Putin soured in 2002, when Putin vocally opposed the expansion of NATO.

After 9/11, the global war on terror provided Putin with a new chance to align himself with the West. Putin was in favor of the U.S. war in Afghanistan and did not object to the establishment of U.S. military bases in Central Asia. He saw 9/11 as a unique chance to turn Russia into a full-fledged U.S. partner in the war against terrorism. Starting in 2002, Bush’s Putin reset began to disappear. Putin was against the war in Iraq and, based on that, sided with French president Jacques Chirac and German chancellor Gerhard Schröder. Starting in 2004, Putin began developing a grievance against the Bush administration’s freedom agenda. Georgia’s Rose Revolution and Ukraine’s Orange Revolution upset Putin. He feared the new reform-minded, pro-Western leaders in both countries.

This had bipartisan support. Basically when Clinton realized Putin wasn't another Yelstin. Read the article. It all began with the fall of Yelstin and the Second Chechen War. Putin foolishly allowed himself to be led by the nose for a while, until 2002, when the writing on the wall became clear to the Russians.

So that's what they did nothing against russia in Africa. Makes sense.

Yeah, you're just turning things into a story. A story with only one protagonist, who is also simultaneously the antagonist. There's a grand plan going on, which is unerringly followed across the decades and centuries. It's typical conspiracy theory sophistry; everything has to be attributed to a single cause because that's a simpler storytelling that looking at what actually happens and trying to figure out why. It's always easier to blame one group. Typically it's the Jews, or the Freemasons, or anyone else who is suspected of being smarter and better connected than the average guy. It's always because of Them.

And, more importantly, it's never the fault of anyone else. Sheikh Hasina didn't lose power because she absolutely wanted to reestablish an impopular quota policy that is basically tantamount to concentrating money and political power into her clan at the expense of the rest of the population; no, the people would have been happy with money and political power being concentrated into the hands of a ruling clan that has bankrupted the country if the CIA didn't, somehow, manage to convince them that autocracy and corruption are actually bad.

Just like in Ukraine, remember, only the Americans can convince people that corruption and autocracy are bad! Naturally, everyone loves to be ruled by corrupt autocrat! They enjoy it! Man, if only the CIA agent known as "Mohandas Karamchand G." didn't succeed in his CIA-backed coup, you'd still be British! Because people have no agency and only act when the Americans make them act.

You are incorrect about Hasina and BD. You should read up about it first.

And then connect it to the fact that Hasina is allied with both India and China.

At the very least, this is the statement the US put out after the elections.
 
Maybe back in the cold war days but it's too risky nowadays. The US isn't doing bad against China in this game of strategic competition. Most of the smaller Asian nations have chosen team USA. No point rocking the boat and creating too much instability for India... yet. The gains from it are mediocre at this point. The US already has access to Southern China through Vietnam if they really need it. Myanmar is also in the process of flip flopping to the US. A Himalayan front that the US can stage troops from would be nice but isn't entirely necessary.

There was a need to punish India for choosing Russia. I mean, India single-handedly spoiled their 20+ year plan to contain Russia.

US access to China's Western regions via Myanmar is suspect. And Myanmar doesn't provide the West sufficient access to Tibet. The main heights are located in NE India.

USA deep state working double time.

Also, US-BD relations under the Democrats were always frosty.

Biden had sanctioned BD. He did not invite BD to his Democracy Summit twice in a row even though he invited Pakistan both times irrespective of their extremely dodgy credentials. And so on.

This is from last year.
Highlighting the current position of the US on various countries, Sheikh Hasina said: “Even today I say that the country gives us the guise of democracy with its words. Starting from our opposition party, some people are dancing and cheering with their words.

“They can overthrow the government in any country, particularly Muslim countries. As long as they were controlling over Islamic countries, nothing happened. However, after the Russia-Ukraine war, the entire world is now in the grip of economic recession. This is the reality,” she added.


Read the rest of the article, all three articles. Maybe @A Person should read it too.
 
Regardless, India will have to reckon with Bangladesh someday. It's a country destined to suffer from climate change. There will come a time where millions of Bangladeshis will flee into India after being displaced by flooding or whatever.

There might be periods of antagonism but India really can't treat Bangladesh like its back to being East Pakistan. Have to warm up ties and help them tide things over and become economically strong enough to contribute to India's own development.

Let's worry about the rising sea level when it actually happens. In the 1980s, they said everything will be underwater by 2020.
 
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You make so much up, it's impossible to know where to start correcting your imagination. There's Bangladesh and China right next to it, and you blame the US, which is thousands of miles away? That's a special kind of stupid.

What are you talking about?

Clearly a lot of people don't want to let Labour off with having no immigration control policy whatsoever but no doubt certain foreign elements are using that to stoke instability.

There's nothing the people can do about it. Can't deport if other countries don't want them back. No one in their right mind will self-deport. And most native people in the UK are not violent enough to scare Labour. They will just wait until the protesters get tired, which works for them anyway, 'cause they want to eliminate the middle class.

Nigel did a good job splitting the conservative vote.
 
Well.... What do you know?

The audacity in thinking she will get Khalistani treatment from the Global Left.

If Trump survives both ballot-stuffing and coffin-stuffing, maybe she can try after Jan 20th.
They were trying to set up an air-base in Bangladesh which she denied. Writing was on the wall post that🤷‍♂️

PS: That airbase could have threatened us far more than the Chinese.
 
For the time being, there's no point in launching any form of overt intervention - regardless of how bad the law & order situation becomes in Bangladesh.

An exodus of refugees is to be expected. We should let in the persecuted minorities (Hindus, Christians etc) where there is plausible reason to say that their lives are in danger because of their identity. Those merely taking the opportunity to migrate for economic reasons or otherwise not fleeing persecution must not be let in. Either turn them back or detain & send back after ascertaining identities.

Might as well use the opportunity to detain illegal BD immigrants across the board who got in way before and process them as fresh illegals as now there is plausible cause for restraining mass immigration.

Strategically, I think we need to let the situation develop further. We have a lot of cards to play.

In the meantime, there are economic opportunities to be had. Textiles & basic manufacturing (fridges, ACs etc) were the lifeblood of BD's economic output, along with the preferential trade with India. We were allowing them to export a lot of stuff to us. Not to mention, Indian capital & entrepreneurs were the disproportionate force behind a lot of that.


"Around 25 per cent of the units in Bangladesh are owned by Indians. They include companies like Shahi Exports, House of Pearl Fashions, Jay Jay Mills, TCNS, Gokaldas Images, and Ambattur Clothing"

A lot of that will be going away. There will be capital flight from institutional investors as well due to deteriorating law & order. Credit will become harder to come by. Getting these units to India will allow us to provide jobs to a lot of unskilled labour in our country as well - plugging some of the holes that are increasingly becoming a danger for the BJP's vote base.

The Bangladeshi economic miracle that led them to outpace & outgrow even the much larger population of Pakistan is now pretty much over. It's downhill for that country from here on.

Even a new Khaleda Zia govt will find it very difficult to maintain control over a population that experiences a sustained economic decline. That will open up opportunities for us as well. The anger in BD against Hasina was built up despite India pulling out all stops to allow Bangladesh to get the highly preferential trade access to India's consumer market.

If we choose to revoke it, Zia (or anyone else we don't want) won't last very long either. And that's not even counting any active measures we might choose to take.

We maintain relations with the Myanmar junta still, we can choose to put pressure via that front as well.

Either way, I'd say it's in our best interest for the time being to keep the pot boiling, without necessarily committing forces overtly. If for no other reason, then simply to make it difficult for any regime in Dhaka to get into any kind of strategic agreements with out of area powers that might seek to change the security status quo in the region by way of basing forces or otherwise. Let it be US or China.
 
PS: That airbase could have threatened us far more than the Chinese.

Not really.

Diego Garcia is perfect if US wants a base to project power over the Subcontinent. Not so far that range/time on station becomes a problem, and not so close as to be easily vulnerable to counterattack (which is the reason why a lot of strategic basing like for B-21s is being moved to Australia instead of Okinawa or Guam - which are easily within counter-strike range of the bulk of Chinese systems).

A base in BD, were it to be aimed against India, would be equally vulnerable if not more in the hypothetical event of armed conflict between the US & India. And as a result not very ideal. Besides, it's not like they can't get a base in Pakistan if at all it was meant to be used against India.

Against China, it would make a lot more sense however. Would allow basing a lot closer to the Chinese heartland (compared to Diego Garcia) which would inevitably require them to split their force posture between the Pacific & the Himalayas even more than before, plus it would be within reach of where any damaged ships or assets can be easily serviced/repaired by yards on India's East Coast.

And it would be shielded by Indian territory on 3 sides, which means any Chinese attempt to pre-emptively attack the base (a real possibility that many US forward bases in the Pacific have to contend with) would have to violate Indian airspace & likely draw us into the war as well.

Do I see a US hand behind the ousting of Hasina? Absolutely. But I see it more as a result of a policy misstep within the US intelligence community. They've been infamous for almost continuously taking missteps when it comes to the subcontinent.

Whether it was driving India into the Soviet fold, or allying with the ISI which ultimately led to their failed mission & humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan, the South Asia desk seems to be manned exclusively by kooks & hacks (and now DEI hires) that, mostly as a result of having very little knowledge of what they're dealing with, easily get taken for a ride by elements pursuing their own agendas and end up actually doing more harm to US interests than good.

We have our own reasons for not wanting an increased US presence in the Subcontinent however...including the aspect that a US build-up in this theatre would likely cause the Chinese to drastically increase the resources & forces they commit to the LAC, far more than what our build-up on its own would warrant, which is something we wouldn't be comfortable with.
 
What are you talking about?
You and your ridiculously stupid leaps to conclusions with zero facts.
There's nothing the people can do about it. Can't deport if other countries don't want them back. No one in their right mind will self-deport. And most native people in the UK are not violent enough to scare Labour. They will just wait until the protesters get tired, which works for them anyway, 'cause they want to eliminate the middle class.
The Tories had agreed with Rwanda to deport them there, but bloody courts blocked it claiming it was unsafe.
Nigel did a good job splitting the conservative vote.
Yes, he's either stupid or working for foreign interests or both. There was literally no point in assuring Labour victory, which was the opposite of what any Reform or Tory voters wanted.

@BMD should worry about England turning into Englishtan first rather than Putin steamrolling Ukronazis or chaos created in Bangladesh by his beloved CIA, lol.
The only way to worry about it usefully is to vote Tory and I did. Maybe you should worry about China more and the CIA less, and stop licking Putin's bollocks since he will side with China over India every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

If Putin was really interested in steamrolling Nazis we would have read about his suicide long ago.
 
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